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My problem with tiktok/reels/shorts is not that they aren’t federated. It’s the entire format/concept I hate.
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Submitted 1 year ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Soapbox1858@lemm.ee 1 year ago
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I think I might like them better if they didn’t auto-play. I hate anything that auto-plays.
Arcka@midwest.social 1 year ago
Don’t all modern browsers allow you to disable auto-playing of video, even per-site if desired?
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Let’s take it a step further, a tile based feed where you can pick yourself what would you like to watch, wait…
Rob200@lemmings.world 1 year ago
I think if you’re just looking for quick news breaks then it can be useful but if you’re looking for detailed content or lengthy movies, or skits. Something like Youtube would be more preferred. I think for me it depends on the content.
Telorand@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I think if you’re just looking for quick news breaks then it can be useful…
No, even then, that format is even worse. Good journalism often has a nuance and detail to it. The short-format video nonsense barely has enough time to get through a headline and a broad summary.
The 24h news cycle is bad enough without trying to shorten it further to 90sec ragebait clips.
Soapbox1858@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I watch a ton of YouTube. I love it for entertainment and some news. I absolutely hate YouTube for tutorials or guides though. If I’m trying to figure out how to fix a computer issue, I just want to read about it and have screenshots I can look at. I don’t want to have to constantly pause a damn video or scroll back and forth to find info.
As far as tiktok style videos go I just hate everything about them. I hate the auto play, I hate the vertical aspect ratio, I hate the stupid auto voiceovers, I hate the dumb floating captions and comments overlay, I hate the lack of volume adjustment or the ability to pause and rewind or seek. I hate the types of brainrot content that people make to work the algorithm. I hate that the format has infested YouTube and IG with no real way to be rid of it.
angelmountain@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I don’t really need any form of TikTok im afraid
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Who is going to pay to host all this content?
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My thought was that the video loading probably isn’t going to be nearly as fast as TikTok because of the money behind their servers and optimization.
mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, was my first thought as well. As far as I can see it’s the same problem PeerTube is having and last I checked, were still trying to solve. (For context: github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783 )
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I have the same question, because many mastodon instances are barely keeping up with the costs of hosting pictures + text.
JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
anyone actually get an account? i signed up as soon as it was announced a year or so ago and haven’t heard a peep.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Im guessing it’s going to be missing all the features that make tiktok popular like duets and pedophilia.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not convinced the Fediverse is devoid of pedophilia, I think we all need to be wary of it whenever we see it.
helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today 1 year ago
I think you just perfectly described Roblox
Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
I think it’s scary how many of the mainstream platforms this joke could apply to.
precarious_primes@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Maybe I’m just old, but I traveled by plane recently (I don’t fly very often) and seeing everyone around me mindlessly scrolling short-form video content was shocking. Looked identical to the people in the space ship in WALL-E.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 year ago
As opposed to doing what exactly?
If you are upset by the video length I can provide you plenty of videos of absolute tosh that are over 18 minutes long.
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Reading, maybe. People don’t read actual literature as much as they used to.
A long video would also be better for you, yes, instead of being designed to catch your attention and keep giving you dopamine hits.
danc4498@lemmy.world 1 year ago
WALL-E was depressingly prescient.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
What tf you want them to do?
I don’t see how reading magazines, what people used to do, is any better.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
You don’t see how reading is better than watching a video?
whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not an expert, so take this as far as you’d like — reading has real benefits to our brains such as improving vocabulary, improving critical thinking skills, and improving focus. I don’t think short form videos give us the same brain benefits.
Here’s an article from Piedmont health on the benefits of reading. I haven’t seen such an article for short form videos, but am open to it if there is one.
trespasser69@lemmy.world 1 year ago
TikTok has 2 versions:
One is what we use. People mindlessly scroll brainrot contents with algorithm desinged to as addictive as possible.
Another one is chinese version. It has actualy useful and educative content, but its China only.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’m not in china and I get chess, math and physics videos.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Regardless of whether the content is “useful and educative” or “brainrot”, I just don’t seem how you can comprehend rapidly-changing and very short content at all, this just seems unnatural. Is that how ADHD feels like? And not like you can get comprehensive knowledge from such bite-sized videos anyway, maximum disjointed factoids.
JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I don’t think the national security risk from tiktok is people watching it while waiting an hour for the plane to actually take off.
it’s from the clear boosting of propaganda.
zingo@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yeah, fucking sheep!
I also thought about those scenes in Wally when I was walking the dog the other day. Soon all of us will float around in armchairs and never step outside.
Welcome to the new world.
TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Instagram has been getting me with this. I like to post sometimes, but my friends and I recently compared our screen time stats and I couldn’t believe I was regularly wasting hours a day mindlessly scrolling IG. I uninstalled the app and will just occasionally post from my computer.
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I took it off my home screen and started using one of those screen time apps. I check it two or three times a day now, instead of however many it was before.
NineMileTower@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Dude, it’s the airport. It’s boring as fuck.
M137@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And there are so many things you could do even just on your phone than mindless, objectively bad for your mental health shit like tiktok style content. Watch actual videos about interesting, cool and/or fun things, play a game, talk with a friend etc.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can have tons of fun at the airport as long as you don’t mind getting on the no-fly list.
precarious_primes@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Fair, but I traveled for a music festival and saw lots of people pulling up their phones to get a few hits of TikTok/insta when there was a small lull in action. And most of them were with friends. Just enjoy your surroundings.
zingo@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The way you write tells me you are young.
The older you get (and having a family of your own) the more you enjoy the quiet moments, just like the ones when you sit in an airport, waiting for the plane.
It’s really feels like a weight has lifted from your shoulders.
jdeath@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m glad there’s still a place left for us old curmudgeons that isn’t overrun by normies yet. i saw somebody suggest hosting things on tor, just for the purpose of keeping normies away from it. hilarious but probably would work great!
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They don’t have to sell or provide videos to third parties, because they can just do it themselves.
That’s the nature of actual federation. It’s not private.
1984@lemmy.today 1 year ago
We are literally training the future AI that will suppress mankind by our social media chats.
Nice.
ogeist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But they will have a mean onion dip recipe
yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t think TikTok community is compatible with the idea of fediverse
TikTok exists to give you large floods of endorphins via either an algorithm trained to your interests or by giving you big numbers. And this is not exclusive to TikTok, this is just how modern “social” media works, it’s the sole reason why bluesky succeeded more than mastodon
Modern social media is mostly a hive mind of people affirming each other driven by algorithms. Fediverse on the other hand, always boils down to a old fashioned usenet style network made just so people can talk with each other. You can’t really get addicted to fedi
I wasn’t really alive during the wild west internet (im 19). I got into the net during the transition from forums to modern social media and reddit was my first social. I tried getting into facebook and instagram because everyone else was there but I just didn’t like it much.
I don’t know why but “the algorithm” is really boring for me. I only tried algorithm driven feeds on reddit (after u/spez) and on tumblr but the recommendations were always extremely “fake”. Other sorting methods like “new” or “by most active” just feel more like as if there was someone on the other side of the keyboard
Broken@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I don’t think anything is un-addictable (making up words here). I do agree that the social media mindset and fedi are not compatible though, basically because of the algorithm concept.
At the end of the day I hate all social media because they feed me what they think I want to eat. Regardless of how well they do that I hate the concept because I want to decide for myself what I want to partake in. Fedi allows that without getting in my way.
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have been so happy since I’ve adopted the “intentional browsing” concept. It means I am the only one choosing what I want to see so I use NewPipe instead of YouTube, Mastodon instead of Twitter, Lemmy and a RSS reader instead of Reddit. My life has improved so much I am not even kidding. I feel ‘clean’
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 year ago
I would like to read an elaborate post about this!
slaacaa@lemmy.world 1 year ago
An interesting point, that a lot of younger people might not know: social media wasn’t always like this.
When I joined facebook in 2009, it wasn’t algorithm driven, there weren’t even ads. You had a chronological feed of your friends’ interactions, so you could see if someone posts a photo, comments something, or shares a stupid quiz. It was a very-very different feeling compared to what we have now. It was useful and practical, but the enshittification killed it.
I would never sign up for something like this today, absolutely useless - only reason I’m still there is the messaging app, which I use daily with most of my friends/family.
Bogasse@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I’d be surprised if it wasn’t a bit more subtle than that. While the medium really facilitate the behavior that you describe, I’m pretty sure that it also hosts sane usages, creative content and positive communities.
GluWu@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s weird seeing how “the algorithm” has genuinely only made things worse. Falling into the YouTube rabbit hole was a thing, and it was entirely organic. From the loose connections of topics, you could start from any feel good funny video, and end in detailed documentary about MK Ultra.
The best algorithm was no algorithm and there’s no way of ever going back to that. I feel pretty lucky to have experienced the internet before it became everything.
stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I don’t think algorithms themselves are to bland but what they are tuned for. While engagement/eyeball hours for the adserver is the prime metric the quality of experience will be subservient to it. If the algorithms could better measure your mood and stimulation levels and maximise for that the effect would be less toxic. Ideally if it realised you were just mindlessly consuming it could suggest maybe you’ve done enough today and to try something else. But that I fear that is not something the owners of the various ecosystems want.
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
my favorite feel good funny videos are about Mk Ultra and the three letter agencies (IRS FDA MSG)
floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Hmm… anxiously eyeing my Lemmy post history…
cyrixhero@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Me too😂
Sabata11792@ani.social 1 year ago
Phew, I was getting a bit worried.
I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Partly why I use Voyager with page numbers. Gives you a clear stop point.
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Could be worse. Could be flying squid.
CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, I’m not as addicted to Lemmy as I was with Reddit, because there aren’t as many comments and niche communities and an algorithm messing with me, but like I check Lemmy throughout each day and if I’m honest there’s not much purpose aside from getting that hit.
Rob200@lemmings.world 1 year ago
I had some days that I spent hours debating with people, other days I just chill and chat with people, particularly on Mastodon.
and then theres… Lemmy, I was probably addicted to the hardest. The score system would keep me checking it and i’d be interested in keeping my score up high. I’d even argue that it made me a better human being.