does it take a year to build an OS that doesnt track/sell you and try to hide its doing so?
Microsoft has a big Windows 10 problem, and only one year to solve it
Submitted 1 year ago by trespasser69@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-has-a-big-windows-10-problem-and-only-one-year-to-solve-it/
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Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Muffi@programming.dev 1 year ago
Imagine a world where we had politicians who understood technology enough to put proper rules and requirements in place, so that big dumb companies would avtually be forced to act ethically and sustainably…
bhamlin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While the understanding would be nice to have, I suspect it is more a lack of backbone than anything else.
Unlocalhost@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Plus said corporations pay I mean lobby for them…
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hits buzzer
The big windows 10 problem is that it updates to windows 11.
ftbd@feddit.org 1 year ago
The big Windows 10 problem is that it is Windows.
NutWrench@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Another vote for Linux Mint. I finally switched from Windows 10 months ago and I love it.
I’m really enjoying the learning curve with Linux because I’m not always fighting the operating system. On the other hand, every time I’ve had to go “under the hood” with Windows (edit the Registry, change config files) it’s been to stop Microsoft from doing something sh*tty to me.
ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve just installed it on my Dell Latitude E6330. It’s great, but am I the only one who gets his laptop restarted instead of powered off? It happened both on Mint and Zorin OS, never on Windows.
BingBong@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I tossed Mint on a VM briefly and really disliked it. Specifically finding the terminal was painful. Did they bury it pretty deep or did I just overlook it?
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 year ago
By default there is a shortcut to the terminal shortcut on task bar. From memory it is one of three default shortcuts. (File browser, Terminal, Firefox.) You can also find it by pressing the menu button (the ‘start menu’). From there the terminal has a prominent special position where it is always accessible. And if you don’t notice it there, you can always start typing to search for it - as with any other installed app. I find that if I type ‘t’, then “Terminal” is the top result; and obviously I can kept typing to eliminate the other results if I want.
So if your difficulty in finding the terminal is your main complaint about about Mint… I’m not sure what to tell you. Do you want it to auto-launch or something?
bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Rofl relatable. Me when i was trying to force uninstall edge or turn off windows activation logo
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They should be required to release drivers such that massive e-waste wasn’t generated suddenly. I mean, why does the government allow a software company to own an monopolize the hardware? Hello Google! Good luck 🤞 with the monopoly assholes!
ftbd@feddit.org 1 year ago
I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but which drivers do you have in mind? You can install Linux on almost any machine, and if there are driver issues the culprits are usually nvidia, realtek, etc. for which Microsoft is hardly responsible.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh my gosh 🤯 you are definitely not old enough. Microsoft has hardware by the balls because they own the eyeball markets at work. They can make a company that makes Ethernet cards for example change their API. It’s pretty simple to just end Linux by denying it hardware. So that’s why we must defend against that sort of monopoly which kept modems unobtainable to Linux for example. That was the great awakening, the modem wars.
Starbuncle@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I think that any operating system that mostly runs 3rd party software should be legally required to open-source at least the components necessary to run said 3rd party software. Also, OSes should just straight up not be allowed to show ads, full-stop. Making people buy hardware and then bloating the OS with ads in updates is a bait and switch and if our government had any balls, would be illegal.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not to mention that we pay for the bandwidth they use to show us ads. Like WTF! Since when did NBC as people to chip in for them to show us McDonald’s commercials?
Resol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If Linux didn’t exist, we would actually end up with a lot of e-waste, and I mean a fuck ton of it. And it’s all thanks to you, Microsoft.
Hell, Linux does exist, and people just don’t wanna use it because they’re so used to Windows that anything else is basically as steep of a learning curve as a literal cliff. And to those people I say: “just add some mint on it and life will be easy. Maybe even drizzle some cinnamon on it as well”
PushButton@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Linux is in a weird spot, there is a valley you must not be in with it.
If you are a non-technical person who needs only a browser and solitaire, it’s perfect.
If you are a highly technical person, it’s great.
If you’re just in between, you are fucked.
Starbuncle@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Trying to get games to run without being a Linux pro is much harder than I was led to believe. Some games just work out of the box, but a lot of them absolutely do NOT, even if protondb says they will.
rasakaf679@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Started using linux mint 22 since 2 months great experience. Difficult with some software with wine winetricks and bottles and stuff. I’m not in any tech field. Learnt from YouTube. Still more to learn… But it’s fun to figuring things out and chatgpt
Resol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m a recent Mint user as well. The transition felt pretty seamless so far.
doingthestuff@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve installed Linux mint cinnamon on some PCs for other people. It’s okay. I still run into errors and difficulties but for your average non techie person it might work if someone else gets them started.
Resol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That alone is a great introduction to Linux.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
The only reason I’m on 10 with my main pc is because the 7th gen intel in there isn’t compatible with win11. I have another pc that is 7th gen, which I put windows 11 on and there is just something weird about it. When I do anything on that machine it doesn’t do it immediately, it sits for a few seconds before actions are done. Really aggravating. Clicking on a program on the taskbar takes a few seconds before it opens. File explorer, firefox browser, settings pane, … Once programs are running it’s fine to use said programs, but I wonder what they did to make it feel this way.
I have Linux on both machines as primary OS and they are super snappy, it’s not the hardware.
Starbuncle@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I had Windows 10 on an older (but not ancient) machine and it was literally unusable. 10-15 minute boot time and another 5 or so just to get a browser to open. The misery didn’t end once things were open; everything was still slower than when I had windows 7 on what would now be considered a truly ancient machine. I put Linux on it and experienced a roughly 5x speedup.
janNatan@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
How much RAM do the systems have? 8gb? The delay may be in the system making room in ram for the program. Win11 is so ram hungry. It’s stupid.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
They both have 16GB RAM.
The one with Windows 10 has a i5 7600k and GTX1060
The one with Windows 11 has a i7 7700k and GTX1080
Warjac@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah it’s convincing people that Windows 11 is actually good
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 year ago
I use Win10 for one single program only and I’m currently testing on how to take that machine offline, but still be accessible locally. So far all I got is a blacklist regex in pihole. Blocking internet access to that machine via my router does not work for me, as I dual boot that machine with Linux for gaming. Tips per DM are very welcome actually.
bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Static IP on the windows machine in a jail’d subnet, if you still want to be able to access it from the LAN but don’t want it to have internet access.
If you’re happy with it not having any kind of network access, just disable the network adapter in windows.
undu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Make Linux use a random MAC address, then block the physical MAC in the DHCP section of the router’e configuration. This will make Windows unablento recieve an IP address while Linux will be able to get ahold of one.
If windows uses tandom mac addresses, the feature should be able to be turned off.
LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Two options:
- Change the DNS and gateway so they’re pointing to 0.0.0.0
- Give the Windows install a static IP or lease, and block that IP on the router
MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Maybe have a script change your local IP address? You could for instance change your IP after logging into Linux and change before powering off.
PetteriPano@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Three years ago, I bought my wife a laptop with Windows 10 to replace her 10yo windows 7 machine.
It had hardware issues out of the box, and went in on two repairs. It works fine now, AFAIK.
But, she still doesn’t trust it, and she doesn’t think that she can move her Adobe CS6 license over to it…
I even bought her the affinity suite.
I’m starting to think she’ll never move on from Windows 7.
I think the major browsers stopped supporting it sometime during the last year, so my best hope is that some included certificates will eventually make her favourite websites stop working. That has to force her over to something more recent… right?
I use arch, btw.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 year ago
up vote for arch.
I also use arch btw.
trespasser69@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Me too
agelord@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Here is a relatively up to date Chromium fork that supports Windows XP and newer (I am not affiliated with the project btw)
PetteriPano@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll keep that secret from her 😅
yamanii@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I stopped following 11 news after they cancelled the native android framework, only thing that got me excited since a BlueStacks installation gets huge extremely fast, I’m not going.
Loce@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well fuck Win 11, its a fucking downgrade. At Win 10 EOL I’m going back to linux.
realharo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Practically speaking, 10 vs 11 barely makes a difference.
Warjac@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The ads, AI garbage and spyware do though.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You and the rest of Lemmy.
Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 1 year ago
There are dozens of us!
arscynic@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
“On Windows 10 PCs without an ESU subscription, however, any security flaws found from that day forward will remain unpatched, making those PCs increasingly vulnerable to online attacks.”
“Windows unpatched […] increasingly vulnerable to online attacks” is a facetious statement since the operating system is inherently malware.
BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 1 year ago
It’s only malware if wealthy companies aren’t making money off of it.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Probably a lower adoption rate than Vista
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m just waiting for the EOL of window 10 to see which of the following will happen:
- Many PCs will stop getting updates, people don’t care
- Many PCs will be replaced for windows 11
- Turns out people already have replaced their PCs due to other reasons
- Microsoft removes the hardware requirements
- People switch to another OS
- People just don’t buy a home PC anymore
- ???
- Profit???
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I’ll save you the wait. It’s 1 with quite a bit of 6.
Normal people just don’t need PCs that much any more. Nearly everything that people did on a PC you can do on a phone.
If you can’t do it on a phone, then it’s usually called work, and employers can replace things as needed. Although we’ve still got customers using variants of Windows XP, so don’t hold your breath. Some employers just aren’t beholden to higher ups that demand security audits.
nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 1 year ago
All those numbers will happen at the same time, at different proportions.
huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My bet is that they are gonna surrender and will remove restriccions to W11. I doubt that a non-it person gonna install Linux, at least that, some companies decided to resell old~ computers with linux preinstalled that’s the only way
Sabata11792@ani.social 1 year ago
My money is on MS kicking the can down the road and adding another year or two to the support last minute.
Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 year ago
6 is becoming increasingly more common. Anecdotally, almost all of the gamers I know use consoles and have a phone for all of their “computer needs.” One of my friends probably wouldn’t even use his if it weren’t for VR Chat.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m a computer gamer but my kids like Xbox…they’re switching to Linux steam big picture mode.
lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
- ✅
Disonantezko@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Or Win10 IoT LTSC till 2032
trespasser69@lemmy.world 1 year ago
240 millions PC will become e-waste if Win10 reaches EoL
VonReposti@feddit.dk 1 year ago
Sounds like homelabber paradise is headed for eBay
krippix@feddit.org 1 year ago
I don’t see the os switch happening unless microsoft stops existing in its entirety.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I doubt the os switch is happening too, some will probably switch but that will be a small amount, either they get Linux or afaik all other “popular” options require new hardware anyways (Macos)
I think many will just stay on windows 10 if their hardware doesn’t support 11 but ehh
Difficult to say, that’s why I’m waiting on the EOL for headlines like “millions of pcs vulnerable due to missing updates” or “maybe we were a little hard on crowdstrike”
Upsidedownturtle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’d guess that major UI revisions are a big reason for average users. People don’t like having to relearn how to do something or find a setting. If M$ implemented a legacy UI setting that by and large mimicked the interface and controls in W10 they’d clear a major hurdle preventing less technologically inclined users from upgrading.
krippix@feddit.org 1 year ago
My guess is that the average user doesn’t care at all and just clicks away update notifications because they are annoyed by them
MyOpinion@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Bring Windows 12. Windows 11 is terrible.
oo1@lemmings.world 1 year ago
I they call it Windouze I’ll consider it.
Defaced@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If there was ever a time for valve to push advertising out for the steam deck and steamOS it’s now. The final piece of the gaming puzzle is anticheat. If valve gets the proprietary anticheat makers on board then it’s all over. Every major hurdle would’ve been overcome, but games like valorant and call of duty still don’t work because of vanguard and ricochet.
With how terrible windows handhelds are, imagine how awesome it would be for those cod players to be able to play a round of warzone on the toilet? I joke, but seriously, that’s the demographic that needs to adopt a platform like the steam deck. That’s the barrier valve has to overcome, and I’m worried they just don’t care or something even more legally gray is happening, like Microsoft giving game devs incentive to use proprietary anticheat or to just not flip that EAC flag in their code.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The author asks many questions, but never the most important one: “Why don’t people like Windows 11?”
vonxylofon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Microsoft has a Windows 11 problem. Staying on Windows 10 is a symptom.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Many years ago, I attended a Windows XP launch event. The Microsoft presenter had the perfect line to describe how MS views this:
“Why should you upgrade to Windows XP? Because we’re going to stop supporting Windows 98!”This was said completely unironically and with the expectation that people would just do what MS wanted them to do. That attitude hasn’t changed in the years since. Win 10 is going to be left behind. You will either upgrade or be vulnerable. Also, MS doesn’t care about the home users, they care about the businesses and the money to be had. And businesses will upgrade. They will invariably wait to the last minute and then scramble to get it done. But, whether because they actually give a shit about security or they have to comply with security frameworks (SOX, HIPAA, etc.), they will upgrade. Sure, they will insist on GPOs to disable 90% of the Ads and tracking shit, but they will upgrade.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lots of people moving to Linux over Win11 anyway.
Magister@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I know it’s not a hardware compatibility problem. People just don’t want ads/tracking/AI bullshit, a removed control panel, settings that are hard to find/hidden, etc.
All intel processor 8th gen+ (and even some 7th gen IIRC) are win11 compatible, motherboard have TPM2 for years, even my intel 6th gen MB have TPM2.0.
Next year the intel 8th gen will have 8 years, people have PC/laptop more recent than that. Problem is that win10 will not get security updates and all.
I’m using MX Linux BTW.
trespasser69@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Guys, is it the beginning downfall of Windows after October 24, 2025? 🤔
cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I have a feeling that Microsoft will release an update that will at the very least make Windows 10 miserable to use if not downright unbootable the day support ends