They summarised the history of Tumblr, but failed to mention how they lost 3 quarters of their users by banning porn?
Tumblr to move its half a billion blogs to WordPress
Submitted 2 months ago by neme@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/28/tumblr-to-move-its-half-a-billion-blogs-to-wordpress/
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AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
fpslem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Like, two owners ago. Wordpress took Tumblr off Verizon’s hands for $3 million USD, ~six years after Yahoo! bought it for $1.1 billion.
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Where the fuck does yahoo even get money from to do this kind of shit at this point?
MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Even after Automattic acquired it, the site continued to lose money at a rate of $30 million each year, the company’s CEO Matt Mullenweg had said.
I still wanna know what they’re spending all that money on, because I’m sure it’s not developers or even servers. The idea that they can only be profitable if they’re constantly growing their user numbers is an investor idea that’s doomed to fail eventually and why so many social media sites are crashing right now
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 months ago
if they’re constantly growing their user numbers
All social media needs to constantly grow because attrition. Social media requires basic levels of user ship to be functional, even lemmy. Its a network effect where you need to have certain levels of users for some emergent properties to exist. For example, I speculate that defederation early between .ml and .world was the trigger that will eventually kill lemmy, principally because this results in fragmentation and a reduction in the properties we would get from “more users”. Having more users begets more users, more content, more memes, etc. And I don’t necesssarily see the defederation as something unneccessary, but what I’m describing is an inherent property of networks. Its not something that can really be argued with because this behavior is consistent across physical, biological, social networks. It just “is” as a property.
So foundationally, you can’t sit still on a train moving backwords (which it always is). An organism needs to be constantly recruiting and growing new cells into its network because its also always dying. Growth is “holding still” for any networked system.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Funny how all these social media corporations were run as ponzi schemes…
sodalite@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
I see no mention of ActivityPub in the article, but I’m wondering if this is part of their plan to eventually integrate Tumblr into the fediverse as well.
However I agree with others that this will likely result in hella janky hackable websites first…hopefully it smoothes out.
RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ah yes, WordPress, renowned for it’s robust social engagement tools.
It’s the kind of decision you announce over Zoom so people don’t riot
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 2 months ago
barsoap@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Neocities already has its own internal engagement stuff (with people following each other, commenting on updates etc), it probably wouldn’t be too hard to throw that into ActivityPub.
Just like wordpress though neoticies is much more “here is my stuff, browse through it” oriented than tumblr, which is at least 70% towards twitteresque “here’s a firehose of different stuff of different people please make comments on every image”.
davidfield@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Don’t envy anyone involved in this… it’s a lot of work
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 months ago
…and the WordPress codebase is utterly horrible. I don’t envy them at all.
davidfield@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t know what you mean? How could a codebase so often patched for exploits and problems be so horrible, surely it’s a shining example of all that is good with the internet? ;-)
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Seeing how much CPU and memory is using a single WordPress blog, i wonder how much it will cost to host half a billion WordPress blogs
BelatedPeacock@lemmy.world 2 months ago
My guess is it scales a lot more efficiently the more you add. Still probably costs a lot though.
realharo@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Most of them probably get 0 visits or close to it.
msage@programming.dev 2 months ago
I mean when I made one such blog, the default install did not have a single index in the database? Like even a small dataset took seconds to process.
People love to shit on PHP, and I also love to shit on WordPress, but performance was definitely possible to easily improve.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
wtf i don’t want this i want the blog ive had for a decade on tumblr
zzx@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They’re not actually going to change anything you can notice. I guess they’re just changing the back end for… Reasons
reddig33@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sounds stupid. I wonder if this makes it easier to sell the content to AI scrapers?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It makes sense that they’d want to move it to a single codebase rather than have both Wordpress code and Tumblr code in the same organization.
Anyone else old enough to remember when Wordpress was called b2? Good times.
T156@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Tumblr’s codebase is also both quite old and infamously terrible, even if it’s from being shuffled around companies a bunch.
Centralising its backend into one platform doesn’t like too bad of an idea.
Roldyclark@literature.cafe 2 months ago
So much WordPress hate but I survived off making WordPress sites out of college. The new built in site theme editor is great. No more hacky plugins.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah it was a nice tool for making sites fast. I loved using it but haven’t in a very long time. I hope it’s still nice to work with like it was before. Even with PHP it wasn’t that bad of an experience lol.
Roldyclark@literature.cafe 2 months ago
The overuse of plugins is what made it a mess. But you need less and less nowadays!
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Automattic says the move to WordPress will have its advantages, as it will make it easier to share the company’s work across the two platforms.
I foresee no issues
__init__@programming.dev 2 months ago
Wordpress is just the worst
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The open-source software from WordPress.org is great for blogs. It becomes the worst when you try it make it do more than that. Even worse is WordPress.com which is very different and uses a very locked-down and restricted proprietary version of the WordPress software. They charge $25/mo for the tier that lets you add custom CSS.
Additionally, Automattic gets a free pass of violating the WordPress terms of use for the WordPress name and logo to intentionally trick people into thinking the paid platform at WordPress.com is the same as the free and open-source software from WordPress.org. They get to leverage the non-profit’s name and likeness and gets preferential treatment to funnel business to their for-profit company.
rmuk@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Wow. For real, I always just assumed that .com was the commercial arm of .org. Holy shit.
Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The face I made when I read that title and it was not good.
Doorbook@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ewww
humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Wait wtf. Automaticc was sold in a fire sale?
When? Why? How?They were not making money? I thought they had WordPress.com - that should be making pretty good right? Or paid plugins like jetpack - those gotta be making money.
How did this happen that they got sold in fire sale?fox2263@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hopefully they’ll at least use Bedrock and not default Wordpress.
Or modify it themselves.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Or use a shitload of plugins for wp to do what it wasn’t made for.
humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Who knows what they use under the hood but WordPress architecture is horrible
fin@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Tumblr is such an old technology
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Still better than tumblr live
jedibob5@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not as drastic as the headline makes it out to be, or at least so they claim.
We’ll see how that actually works out. Tumblr’s backend has always seemed rather… makeshift, so I’m curious to see how they manage to do that. Given Tumblr’s technical eccentricities, a backend migration could probably do a lot of good for the functionality of the site, if done properly. I have my doubts that WordPress’ engineers will be given the time and resources to do a full overhaul/refactor though, so I’m fully expecting even more janky, barely functional code stapling the two systems together.
catloaf@lemm.ee 2 months ago
WordPress is built on decades of hacky code, probably more so than Tumblr. I would be shocked if this is an improvement.
Goodie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
is it decades of hacky code, or decades of battle tested code?
I haven’t touched wordpress in… many years, but I’ve seen far too many developers look at old code and call it junk… only to break things horrifically when they attempt a rewrite.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
my thoughts exactly. Who in their sane mind sees WordPress as a solid foundation for anything?
jedibob5@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not as familiar with WordPress, but if that’s the case, yeah, I don’t have high hopes for this going well…
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Wordpress supports activitypub tho, so that could be cool if they want it to be.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I read a couple of Tumblr blogs. If I could follow them from Mastodon instead I could delete that app entirely.