In this particular situation, if Boeing says it’s safe, I would be inclined to trust them, because if they make the return happen, and it fails, Boeing is done fore. As a crew member though, I would pass for sure and wait for a Dragon
NASA is about to make its most important safety decision in nearly a generation
Submitted 3 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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HejMedDig@feddit.dk 3 months ago
riodoro1@lemmy.world 3 months ago
How many people died because boeing made shitty planes and didn’t train their crew properly?
Is boeing done for?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They get one last chance! If they kill these astronauts this time, we’ll be really, really mad this time like for real!
HejMedDig@feddit.dk 3 months ago
I think messing up on NASA projects will hurt a company way more. Of course aviation is supposed to be safe, but even the 737 Max has flown thousands of hours. Comparing how many people that have flown on them, versus how many that have been hurt/killed, is still a small number, which is still is supposed to be zero of course.
Traversing space, a pinnacle of engineering, is quite another level of danger, and if you insist on your product being functional and safe, and then kills two astronauts, would cause a whole different level of backlash
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They already couldn’t afford this situation, and look where they are.
What’s an improbable “acceptable risk” to them may not be good enough for NASA, especially if they don’t really understand what’s wrong.
HejMedDig@feddit.dk 3 months ago
True. Didn’t think of it that way
jaxxed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I am not sure that businesses like Boeing make risk decisions like that. You would think that they would only take a risk that they know they can win, but many times they take a risk and hope that the dice land their way. This would be lives at risk, with calculations assessed by people with very poor records with such assessments.
Got_Bent@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Shitty Boeing aside, how are they eating up there? I don’t know anything about space station food logistics, but if a planned week has turned into ten weeks, surely there must be a resource strain.
model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Can’t wait to see this project too in Google’s graveyard.
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They eat whichever astronaut dies first.
Just don’t question the cause of death, because it will be blunt force trauma
mihnt@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Don’t they have their own version of MREs they use for situations like this?
yopla@jlai.lu 3 months ago
Russia is doing a resupply run this week.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
they must have a significant food bank supply, including some kind of reserve replacement nutrients in the event shit goes wrong. That or an incredibly redundant delivery network.
lnxtx@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Cygnus, last mission launched on 4 August 2024.
Mythnubb@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I was curious about this same thing.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 3 months ago
I though I read they’re currently housed in the ISS so they should have reserves. I initially thought they were stuck in their launch vehicle.
mox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
The question facing NASA’s leadership today? Should the two astronauts return to Earth from the International Space Station in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft, with its history of thruster failures and helium leaks, or should they come home on a SpaceX Dragon capsule?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The question facing NASA’s leadership today? Should the two astronauts return to Earth…
“Alright, just hear me out…” -Boeing
0x0@programming.dev 3 months ago
The lives of two government employees are in the balance, and taxpayers paid Boeing for most of the Starliner spacecraft’s development costs.
Money money money…
0x0@programming.dev 3 months ago
Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Will those Astronauts get overtime pay?
intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Unfortunately they’ve been moving backwards across the time zones, resulting in them owing NASA money
PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
This is an excellent article. I’m glad they took time to go into the history of these folks.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Ok Huston, we’re listening!
Huston: okay you two probably gonna die. But we got two options for you. You wanna boing boing boing your way down here? Or do you wanna have space sex bring, I mean make you come? Everyone dies, we just don’t know when or where. Ok most hospice palliative care old people know where, but not when.
ripcord@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Well, you tried.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
RangerJosie@sffa.community 3 months ago
Step 1. Fire Boeing.
Step 2. Fucking FUND NASA.
Step 3. NASA builds space stuff that works.
jeffw@lemmy.world 3 months ago
To be fair, some work has always been outsourced.
Like the o rings…
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I like my humor like I like my NASA space vehicles - outsourced to the lowest bidder.
BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Dark 😮
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Too soon.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 3 months ago
NASA contracting stuff to space X has probably be the most amazing and sound financial decision they have made.
People on this website are so biased because Elon runs it but he genuinely built one of the most amazing companies in the world. Government including the US are miles behind them and struggling to play catch up and they are only trying because Space X has become so much better than them they have to.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
It’s arguably not even him that it really running it
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Elon didn’t build it. They literally have a manager whose entire job is to make sure Elon doesn’t get too close to the technical stuff because he’ll break it with some random order to change it for no reason
Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s not just blind hate for Elon, they’re genuinely terrible stewards of the environment in south Texas. They constantly lie about their intentions and impact to avoid having to take responsibility for anything. Say what you will about how independently they operate from his input, this is definitely a company culture that he cultivates and promotes.
Beaver@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
No it was the engineers not Elon who built Space X up.
spacecadet@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I’ve worked for several aerospace companies including Boeing. I have nothing but contempt and hatred for Boeing and couldn’t get out of there fast enough. Management is garbage, safety comes second to schedule, people are treated like disposable cogs, but I would trust Boeing over NASA. I work with a lot of NASA and ex-NASA people right now on a couple major projects. Dear god NASA upper management makes me want to put my head through a wall! The insufferable sense of superiority trying to tell us “how things are done”. Bro, how is SLS coming? That’s what I thought, shut your mouth and stop pretending like you are the Apple of space systems. Luckily, most of the ground level people at NASA are more down to earth (pardon the puns) and easier to work with.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Step 4. NASA builds planes that work (on the side).
echodot@feddit.uk 3 months ago
If not to build aircraft they would have to throw it all away at the end of the flight.
Need better funding but they absolutely shouldn’t be building spacecraft, they are too scared of getting yelled at to innovate, and innovation is required.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
They tried being more actively involved with the Aries I and Aries V rockets, but they got really bogged down to the point where Obama started commercial crew. Aries V eventually evolved into SLS, but with low capability and a very long schedule. And for better or for worse, SLS is getting lots of funding.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares_I en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Crew_Program
anindefinitearticle@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
s/Fire/Nationalize/
Beaver@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
We need to support and upgrade sls
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Do we? It’s already years behind schedule, billions over budget, and doesn’t really have a use beyond Artemis. Also, the Exploration Upper Stage (one of the major planned upgrades) is being developed by… Boeing.