I find it kinda funny Sony tried so hard to own the standard so many times thought they eventually got it but then the Internet made it irrelavent almost instantly.
I don’t like Sony.
Sony is killing off recordable Blu-ray, bidding farewell to disc burning | TechSpot
Submitted 4 months ago by fne8w2ah@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.techspot.com/news/103709-sony-killing-off-recordable-blu-ray-bidding-farewell.html
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Teknikal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
original_reader@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Am with you. Their midrange phones still have headphone jacks, though. I like that.
Teknikal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Yeah their phones do generally still do things like microsds etc which is very nice I also like the psp but I’ve bought so many Sony products that develop weird faults straight after the warranty and the fact they alway push propriety cards etc.
Its a weird company where divisions seem to actively sabotage each other I just don’t trust them at all.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sony phones are pretty great for stuff like this tbh
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MicroSD
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dual SIM
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headphone jacks (this is despite Sony being one of the biggest names in Bluetooth audio and therefore more likely to benefit from getting rid of 3.5mm)
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they stuck to notification LEDs longer than anybody (sadly stopped on their newest gen IIRC?
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dedicated 2-stage camera shutter buttons
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no notch, no hole punch
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stereo, front-facing speakers
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first to embrace water resistance on smartphones
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an OS that doesn’t treat you like a complete baby. It shows some relatively advanced options in the settings app and actually explains what they mean and why you’d want to use them. I appreciate that.
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shockingly FOSS friendly, even going as far as providing bootable AOSP builds on their GitHub, as well as contributing more to AOSP code than anybody other than Google themselves, despite being a niche OEM
There’s a few things that suck. They need to extend their software support, their naming is dreadful (yes I know it follows the camera division naming, it’s still dumb), and they try to charge Apple/Samsung prices despite not being in the same dominant market position. But overall their Xperia division actually puts out some good stuff IMO.
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empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
I’ve never had a need to burn a blu-ray. When bd-r’s hit the scene with their obscenely priced recording drives, flash memory had already become cheap and fast enough that any volume of data large enough to justify a BD was better served on a 16/32gb thumbdrive unless it needed to be distributed in volume, and I’ve never needed to make enough identical copies of something to justify the $200-$300 that the first drives cost.
It sucks losing an option but I actually doubt most anyone will notice. 3rd party manufacturers will keep making disc’s for a while anyway.
obinice@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I use archival blurays for cheap, deep storage for decade plus usage, not something I’d trust to flash memory or even a hard drive. Tape is an option of course but that’s pricey.
TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Don’t fret, Verbatim will still be making recordable BD-Rs. However, this will mean that there will be no more 128GB BD-Rs, we’ll be stuck with only 100GB BD-Rs (Sony is the only company that makes 128GB Blu-rays).
I recently ordered a pack of 128GBs from Japan. I’d recommend you do the same, because the prices are gonna skyrocket.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
May I ask what uses you have for them?
TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Backing up personal data, mostly stuff from my childhood that is irreplacable. Sure, I could just put them on a HDD, but then I’d have to replace it every 5-10 years. Data stored on Blu-ray can last a long time.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
The 128GB blurays have always been very expensive. The smaller discs are cheaper per GB.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 4 months ago
For the price of 128GB BD-Rs you would probably benefit from buying an LTO-5+ drive.
I wish I could afford an LTO-9 drive, but $5K is a bit steep. $90 per 45TB for media is phenomenal though.
lustyargonian@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Will this mean PS5 games in coming years would come in two disks?
bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Bluray disk cost 25$ for 50gb and usb flash drive cost 5$ for 64gb
ciberConas3000@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Damn, a 50gb blu ray costs 2€ in my country.
olutukko@lemmy.world 4 months ago
for 35€ you can get 512gb flash drive. kinda insane to think about that. maybe even cheaper but that was just what I found from my local store
bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yes, flash memory came a very long way, when current nodes of 3nm going to be old enough for mass producing growth memory, there’s gonna be 5tb microsd cards probably, since we’re already having 2tb ones tomsguide.com/…/the-worlds-first-2tb-microsd-card…
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 4 months ago
The 25GB disks are like 10¢.
bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Where? I see only 30$ for 5pack of 25gb bd-r
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
How can I afford to buy Criterion Collection Blu-Rays for $14.99 if blu-ray discs cost $25?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Economy of scale and also slightly different, but related, media format. Criterion has them printed in bulk.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
That’s read-only, not read/write, plus they’re buying bulk.
atmur@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This is just blank writable discs, movies and TV shows on bluray will continue to be produced… for now.
PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As long as there are people for whom streaming compression isn’t acceptable, there’ll be a market for Bluray movies/TV shows.
Toes@ani.social 4 months ago
I have a BluRay drive capable of burning but I’ve never needed it for that. I’ve been mostly using it for my ancient cd collection.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Me, with a 200 Terrabyte usb drive, wondering why this is an issue.
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 4 months ago
A 200TB USB drive doesn’t exist. What are you talking about?
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 months ago
Not going to put words in OP’s mouth, and it’s entirely possible they’re either exaggerating, talking about a RAID array, or richer than God,
but the only place I know of to buy flash drives that big is Wish.com
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
whoooooooosh
suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I use BD-R for archival storage of important files. They’re cheaper and easier than tape as well as small. I burn them in triplicate and throw them in the same case and as long as the same 3 bits don’t corrupt I can recover. The shelf life on a blue ray sealed and stored well is a few decades which is better than most other media.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 months ago
Where are you buying your Blu-rays? Every time I’ve looked into burnable BD-Rs they’ve been more expensive per gigabyte than a 3.5" hard drive (which has the bonus of better data longevity and being rewritable).
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I understand that from a business perspective, but I’m having a hard time rationalizing it for personal use.
I guess, if you’re doing a lot of video editing and you want to preserve a large personal library? Idk.
piyuv@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How often do you lend your drives to your friends? A cheap way to send big files without internet connection was paramount for sharing information.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Very rarely. I tend to have shared text or Excel files to actively share and work on. Nothing in the hundreds of gigs.
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
Flash-style drives like SSDs and… drives from alliexpress aren’t recommended for long-term storage.
corroded@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I really wish there was a viable alternative for physical backups. Blu-ray just doesn’t have enough storage space, tape is expensive, and hard drives need to be periodically read.
I’ve read about holographic WORM media, but I just don’t think there’s enough consumer demand for the hardware and media to ever be as affordable as blu-ray.
Once upon a time, I could back up all my important data to a stack of DVD-Rs. How am I supposed to back up a 100TB NAS, though? The “best” alternative is to build a second NAS for backup, but that’s approaching tape drive levels of cost.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 4 months ago
How am I supposed to back up a 100TB NAS, though?
By spending money. 100T is a quite a lot of data and big data sets cost money to properly maintain.
urda@lebowski.social 4 months ago
Checkout AWS S3 “Deep Glacier Archive”. It’s perfect for data you only “read” in recovery events, since you have to wait up to 12 hours to retrieve the data. I backup my Plex this way.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Based on their 100T of data the .00099 per GB pricing will have them spending $99 a month, or $1200 a year, for backup.
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
A NAS is supposed to be redundant. You can use offline HDDs as NAS backup.
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
I just double my HDDs and put them in RAID1. Not foolproof against data loss, but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if I lost my Plex library. For important docs I add a cloud backup.
dragontamer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
25GB and 50GB disks written at blistering 10MB/s in the age of 100MB/s Gigabit Internet connected to storage (S3, Backblaze, etc. etc.) means that networks have completely obsoleted Blu Rays.
kelargo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
One TB capacity in a sd micro flash disk equivalent to twenty Blu-ray discs at 50GB, just no comparison in the growth of technology.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
I know for some secure purposes they still use CDs because they’re a lot harder to sneak around than a flash drive. There are still some uses, but they’re very niche. There’s essentially zero purpose for personal use.
NutWrench@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Good. Flash storage is everywhere now. Why go through an extra layer of proprietary hardware and DRM when you can have direct access to the video files which can be read on any platform?
HelloHotel@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The DRM is extra awful with bluray, its usefullness is dipressingly lmited. Being propriatary makes it worthless as an archive medium.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oh well. I use memorex anyway
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
suction@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Uhm sorry to rain on your parade, but all the cool people made fun of Maxwell guys back then. Our Nakamichi ‘gons got fed TDK exclusively…
Rooki@lemmy.world 4 months ago
RIP
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean, as long as there is a hard copy archive option out there this is ok (cloud is already flirting with copyblight).
Resol@lemmy.world 4 months ago
At least they’re not enforcing Memory Stick on us again.
rem26_art@fedia.io 4 months ago
Is this just Sony's own production of consumer writable Blu-ray discs, or is it like, Sony preventing other manufactures from producing them as well?
downpunxx@fedia.io 4 months ago
NAS GANG RISE UP
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Damn, the end of an era. I wonder how anime will be sold in Japan now if not on Blu-rays?
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
We must cut all options for the end user to own anything, let’em pay subscriptions instead.
In a SONY board meeting, probably.
new_guy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Why are we suddenly selling more NAS grade HDDs?
Seagate executives
Infynis@midwest.social 4 months ago
I got mine in November
glimse@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Something tells me the market for media servers is very different than the market for BD-R. The only benefit to having a collection of burned discs over a NAS is that you can let people borrow them. It’s otherwise mostly downsides
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Are we back to trusting Seagate again? Last I knew their spinning rust was t trust worthy. I’ve had 6 drives fail me in the last 2 decades, and all but one or two were Seagate, so I just assume their bad anymore and go with other suppliers.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Eh, I doubt many people are burning their own Blu-ray discs - this does not apply to discs you buy that already have films on, they are manufactured differently, and are still being made.
But even if you do archive your personal data onto Blu-ray discs, there are still other manufacturers besides Sony.
This really isn’t a big deal.
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
Sure. One tiny bit at a time…
JordanZ@lemmy.world 4 months ago
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 4 months ago
Nah, probably just didn’t sell enough, with USB sticks around.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone use the format. CDR saw a lot of use, but who needs bluray nowadays?
otp@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I believe they’ve said that this doesn’t change their production of non-rewritable Blu-rays.
SuspiciousPumpkin421@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Do you have a source for this? That was my worry tbh.
hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Different divisions. This is more akin to when Sony decided to stop making floppy disks. The market is there for now, but it’s just not worth it from a financial perspective.
The amount of people burning their own blu rays is minimal. Even the type of people who emphasize owning their own content just use a NAS system.
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
Ironically Japan is just now phasing out floppies, so there’ll still be a market for a while.
A NAS is mostly geared for online media storage, whereas disks are for offline.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Ironically those who own their own NAS and hoarding data are amongst the more likely to be burning their own Blu-rays
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 months ago
I mean sure, but Jellyfin and HDDs exist, and are much more convenient than burning a Blu-ray that you have to put in a drive to watch.
0x0@programming.dev 4 months ago
Optical disks tend to be used for offline archival storage more than movies (IIRC they’ll still be printing out Blu-Ray movies, just not blanks).
FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This is not as big a deal as you think. Blu-Ray production itself isn’t ending, they just aren’t making any more recordable Blu-Rays. Most people aren’t going to be burning stuff to Blu-Rays. You’ll still be able to buy Blu-Rays if you want a physical copy of a film.