I think most of us moved on to X86 by now.
Thought's on this Raspberry Pi Rival? board handled 20 open Chrome tabs and 4K video playback smoothly ,board has Rockchip 8-core ARM processor, 32 GB of RAM, Mali G610 GPU, competing with top OOPS.
Submitted 2 days ago by i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNvo6xZnxd4
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helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 days ago
henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 days ago
I love ARM so much compared to x86, but speaking from a low-cost consumer server perspective, x86 is a great value, and it comes with a no compromises on software compatibility.
sploosh@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s the biggest thing. apt install xyz works on my N100 based box every time I expect it will, but it was always a crapshoot on a Pi.
filister@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Don’t forget also the app support, a lot more apps support x86, than ARM.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 day ago
That’s what I was referring to about versatility
Piece_Maker@feddit.uk 2 days ago
ARM boards are just a pain to use right now. There’s always some stupid quirk or driver problem and that’s if you even manage to find an up to date image for your chosen OS that works (because I can just about guarantee the ‘generic ARM’ one won’t). Feels like every few months someone announces something that’ll make all these problems go away yet here we are.
barsquid@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It does seem more likely to not have dumb problems when you have a sane x86 bootloader.
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
What is the difference between x86 and X86?
Redex68@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The fact that X86 came after a full stop so his phone auto capitalised it.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 day ago
Autocorrect 😛
EddoWagt@feddit.nl 2 days ago
I find it interesting, manufacturers of laptops and maybe even desktops, are looking to switch to arm after decades of x86.
And home servers, which have run on arm for years, are now switching to x86
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Could you install older windows systems on a single board x86? Like maybe xp? Or windows 7?
therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Funny how 20 chrome tabs is being compared to 4K video playback.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You can get a Ryzen minipc for under $200 now.
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Where at? Not finding any that low on Amazon
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 2 days ago
For this price, just get an Intel NUC (one with like an i5 or better). They’re cheaper than this is on ebay.
They might not have 32GB of memory, but I’m honestly not sure why you’d need that much for a small PC like this.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I googled a cheap Intel NUC and saw power consumption numbers of 15w to 40w. Thats quite a bit of juice (and heat) for small applications.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Perhaps the newer models consume that much (under load), but the older ones are very power efficient - back in the day they ran Windows 8 and only consumed 4.6W @ idle (this is actually the same one I have, except I run HA on it which is probably much more power efficient than Windows 8 would be).
Realistically, for something like this, you probably don’t want to exclusively use the full load numbers to calculate power consumption, rather you want to use the idle+load numbers for your specific use case. Home Assistant barely uses any power even over time (I unfortunately misplaced my kill-a-watt or I’d measure it for you), and the NUC barely feels warm.
Nonetheless, you can disable a bunch of the GPU stuff in the BIOS if you’re concerned about power consumption. The article I linked above explains the settings a bit. These were meant to be the middle ground between a thin client and full PC, so it wouldn’t be surprising if their TDP was much higher than a Pi; but that doesn’t necessarily mean a higher power bill or more heat.
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Running multiple virtual machines might be one use for all that RAM. I completely agree about going with a NUC (or similar x86-64) unless power consumption is a concern. I stopped buying SBCs once Intel platforms started competing on the low end.
sleepmode@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t know if it’s still the case but kernel support and related was nearly always an issue when I tested Raspi alternatives for building homebrew robots. OS updates were a gamble and support and documentation was not good to say the least. Raspi also has every HAT you can imagine to extend their capabilities too.
TwanHE@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Best way for pi alternatives I’ve found is to see which one is the most popular for the project / community I’m working with.
It isn’t always the latest and greatest but at least there will be plenty of support.
i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Some one on the comment section said that
“There’s no innovation here; it uses a Rockchip processor, which is from a Chinese company. Assembling a board with Chinese components isn’t a big deal. I know people who could make an even better board. Innovation would have been if the processor was designed by an Indian company and made entirely in India. But that’s not the case.”
Static_Rocket@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Lol, changing the country of origin doesn’t constitute innovation from a consumer standpoint…
Now if this was using 5nm or chiplit or any of the other buzzwords of the day it could be marketed as innovative in the modern sense of the word.
Realistically there is no innovation left for ARM platforms. You all use the same core schematic. You only control data flow and peripheral IP as a manufacturer, unless you feel like building your own core from the spec (nobody really does that anymore as ARM has been desperately trying to standardize everything). The most “innovation” I’ve seen has come from stubbornness around keeping legacy bus architecture around instead of adopting AXI (even when all the IP you are trying to use already uses AXI and you keep having to make translation hardware).
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s not a rival. It is in a different sector. And it will rise or fall with the availability of software and support.
j4k3@lemmy.world 2 days ago
[deleted]henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 days ago
I don’t think the car brand comparison is a great one. While I get your point, the purpose of using different car brand names is not for confusion but actually to reduce confusion — to clarify which products are targeting a luxury market.
For a counter example, consider how Samsung sells premium and cheap smart phones. The cheap smart phones give Samsung a bad name which might be associated with the higher end offering in the eyes of a consumer.
chakan2@lemmy.world 2 days ago
How much is it?
i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 2 days ago
cost less than 200U$D
Olap@lemmy.world 2 days ago
More than double the price. Not sure what it’s xompeting with, but not a pi
i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 2 days ago
depends on specs
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
As many have pointed out, price wise it’s not competitive. But more than that, the main feature of the Pi is its software support. I buy a Pi not because it’s got the top specs but because I know I can load a rock solid OS with security support and I won’t have to think about it.