Congratulations, you just figured out how healthcare works in the rest of developed countries
If everyone had access to healthcare the net benefit of treating the mental illness and other disabilities holding them back would easily cover the cost of the healthcare itself.
Submitted 6 months ago by Daft_ish@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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ieatmeat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
paraphrand@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yup. Everything is better when everyone is doing better. It’s weirdly simple.
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And also in some of the non developed countries (Cuba, Brazil)
taanegl@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Cuba is such a shit hole.”
Consistently has some of the best doctors. Also, healthcare workers from Kenya? Some of the best in the world.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m just speaking from personal experience. If I was given adequate health care 20 years earlier there is no telling how different my life may have been.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Its so weird living in a country where healthcare is a right, and seeing how E everyone in USA is against public healthcare until their insurance stops covering expenses.
mp3@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
And preventive medicine makes us live healthier for longer, making sure we can keep sustaining the system and reduce the amount of more complex and expensive care needed.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Entrepreneurs and small business would benefit tremendously. I had my own business and my health insurance was crazy expensive and has a terribly high deductible.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
That would be logical and we don’t do that here.
Stop that.toynbee@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Whether I agree with you depends on whether “here” means “lemmy” or “this country.”
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Yesn’t.
dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
Same applies to housing the homeless, but benefiting society isn’t the point. It is not enough to win, someone else must also lose.
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Welcome to Capitalism where you have to pay for basic human rights.
Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 6 months ago
Well… that just sounds like socialism to me; so now we’re friends.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We have health care in Canada yet still lots of street homeless people. They aren’t getting adequate care at all, yet the cost of caring for them exceeds the average person by many times. Many of them are on a first name basis with all the paramedics and other first responders due to how often they’re taken to the emergency room.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ok, but, I never said universal healthcare would solve homelessness. In America we have the same cost except we’ve made it illegal to be homeless and pay to keep them in prison.
darctiger88@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Same in the UK :/ although I’d never want an American style healthcare system
Alpha71@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You guys are getting close to it though. With your “Two Tier” system, You’ve slowly almost choked the public side of health care to death.
Asclepiaz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
How does that help the shareholders gain more wealth to hoard though?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Pay them with publics funds but give them no liability and no pricing oversight
Like we do in Canada (Ontario)
bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Not having preventive health care if like having a car, hear it make too many strange noises and not fixing it until it breaks and you end up on the side of the road upside down. You “didn’t spend money” in minor fixings but you end up paying a lot more.
Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Thanks for reminding me about all the stuff that needs fixing on my car.
hperrin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yes, that’s how it works in many countries.
philpo@feddit.de 6 months ago
As someone in the final stages of a masters degree in healthcare management and economics:
Almost. It doesn’t entirely cover the costs (at least from the data we have available worldwide, which is somewhat insufficient) but a focus on mental health(which always includes workers rights, women’s rights and a few more social issues that create long term health problems on a massive scale) and prophylaxis in general is FAR cheaper than what most industrial nations currently do.
We do have a few issues that are not addressed in these concepts (e.g. end of life care and costs associated with that, new types of personalised medication, accessibility in rural areas,etc.) that still make a healthcare system like that something society has to pay for…But it does improve things massively, especially the quality of life of people that are not the actual patients.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t know because I’m in the US, but does universal healthcare in other countries cover autism-related therapies and care such as ABA, occupational and speech at the rates recommend by docs (our docs recommended 20+ hours/week - or roughly the cost of $100k/year)? And is that factored into the equation?
I haven’t seen the official modeling, just assumptions around the internet. But back of the napkin math suggests that appropriate autism care alone could be quite high: 1/36 of the 341,500,000 American residents have autism. Assuming 15% need care in the range of $100k, would be somewhere around $138b/year for just autism care. Does that seem in line with what you are thinking? Either way, are you able to point me to some of the modeling you have found? I’d love to learn more about how it tactically works.
Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 6 months ago
Where’s your math coming from? There’s a ton of folks on the spectrum that don’t need assistance at all.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I just estimated that 15% need care. So that would leave a huge number that don’t - you are right.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Your first mistake is to use US prices as if that’s what the care actually costs.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
20+ hours of anything is costly if you are paying the therapists appropriately. The issue is that their work is 1:1 and doesn’t scale easily.
thezeesystem@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Fyi ABA is considered highly unethical in the autism community.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Fair, take that piece out of the equation. Our docs still advised us on 20+ hours of therapy, all of which is costly.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m just doing some simple deductive reasoning. If a person who suffers from a disability receives life changing care and are able to rejoin the workforce you have taken someone who would otherwise cost tax payers and have added a taxable income stream. Similarly you may provide care to people who aren’t necessarily disabled but have no means to get a life changing diagnosis and medication which allows them to complete higher education.
For every person you take out of the prison system and put into the workforce you are freeing up resources while also creating resources.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Man, I wish the hundreds of thousands of dollars of care we got positioned my kids into the workforce. Our reality is that all that while the care did help and make their lives much better - it won’t translate into productivity or self sufficiency. 🙁 I am super worried that will practically mean a universal healthcare system in the US limits disability care because it isn’t deemed as having a good enough ROI.
Juice@midwest.social 6 months ago
That’s how you can see the true nature of the system. It isn’t designed to maximize production, it is designed to subordinate production.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Imagine how much we could save on policing if we didn’t have outbreaks of mental health issues and shootings.
Just kidding, don’t think about that, back the blue. /s
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I bet the benefit of free school lunches would also pay for itself. And there’s been studies that show that funding early childhood education has a huge ROI.
But that’s not how things work here.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah, but it wont pay back within the quarter.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
how are we going to know we’re better than other people though, this is the most important thing.
Jorgumander@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m just here to agree. Also, people could stop self diagnosing, which is a whole other thing.
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Same thing with crime and basic needs. It costs less to give people housing, food, etc, than to staff the police and infrastructure for jails. Once you realize that, you realize it’s not about the cost. It’s about the cruelty.
Alpha71@lemmy.world 6 months ago
TBH the bigger problem is, even if we did have full funding, we just don’t have the necessary amount of trained physicians. There would still be a backlog.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Did you just make a case for free college? I think you did.
Ender2k@kbin.social 6 months ago
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 months ago
the math has already been done. we pay more for less care in the united states than places with universal health care.
health insurance companies only profit by denying claims. profit only comes when humans suffer.
Boozilla@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is the root of it.
Piled on top of that are layers upon layers of middlemen rent-seekers. The amount of parasitic corporate bullshit that goes on behind the scenes whenever you go to the pharmacy to pick up a prescription would blow most people’s minds.
The good news is, awareness is growing, and there are a few good actors in government trying to do something about it. It’s very much an uphill battle, though.
kakes@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The suffering keeps the working class busy.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Keeps them knee capped.
Donebrach@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And hospitals. No one ever takes into account the fact that hospitals charge outrageous and arbitrary fees for services.