Silver lining is less flights booked means less emissions for the environment.
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Woozythebear@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is absolutely not something you want to happen. This could have devastating effects and I think enough is enough and the government needs to step in and take over running the airlines. It’s too important to leave gold hoarding dragons in charge of it.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Kanzar@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Iirc the increase in people driving instead of flying due to 911, lead to more accidents and deaths. :(
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 months ago
But more deaths leads to fewer emissions! A bright side!
ggppjj@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, it doesn’t really contribute to less people that much considering the global birth rate, and also it removes a usable car from service that will at this moment be replaced using materials and processes that are likely not too great and probably loaded with an interface that sucks worse ass and breaks more often. Tricky all around.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
That’s not great… I can only hope more people opt for trains instead this time.
BubbleMonkey@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
If we had high speed rail, I’d absolutely love to take a train to just go places, but cross country trains in the US take absolutely forever. If you aren’t in a hurry, sure, great option, cheap, but doesn’t really work well for vacations or emergencies or whatever when you have very limited time.
For example, Chicago to Seattle takes 46 hours by train but 30 hours by car. Even with stops for food, gas, and bathroom, even staying somewhere for the night, you aren’t adding 16 hours on.
www.amtrak.com/empire-builder-train
We really need to invest more in high speed rail… like everywhere here. Until then, unfortunately, I doubt people will shift that way overall.
Blackout@kbin.run 2 months ago
Maybe even a return to train travel.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
I hope that prompts more funding into Amtrak if people do opt for that!
Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
One can seriously hope, and moreover hope that the trains are electrified. We seem to be pathologically afraid of re-electrifying rail in the US.
univers3man@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think the problem is that this will likely lead to more driving instead of flying.
stellargmite@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As someone who lives on an island, lol. But still a good point assuming a North American car centric viewpoint. I’ll be resorting to wind power, jetski, breath stroke, or airbus. Perhaps other options including rail ( yes we have it on Islands too ) may look competitive again.
lickmygiggle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They don’t have boats on your island? Sounds like a lack of conviction to me.
Kidding, of course.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s not a silver lining at all. Jets are actually very fuel efficient compared to driving when they’re full of passengers.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yeah but one less airplane in the air with 300 people in a train is a lot better. The issue is the infrastructure that’s shit in North America.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We would actually need trains that go all the places people want to go for a better price. That would definitely be cool.
Patches@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Gold lining: Never go home for Holidays
Platinum Lining: Work from Home is even more commonplace, and no more random flights to the office, or on-site.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is something I absolutely want to happen. This will have devastating effects on carbon emissions, and push more people (and governments) towards trains.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Devastating is a bit of an exaggeration with it being responsible for a whooping 3% (at most) of emissions and arguably helping raise the albedo a bit with their contrails.
So it would help a bit, it wouldn’t be a game changer though (except if you live near an airport, sound is another pollution that’s often ignored).
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I would rather we start using blimos what can we do towards that
kamiheku@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
What is that like really fancy long blimps
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 months ago
y…yeah. That wasn’t a typo at all it’s a revolutionary idea.
dukk@programming.dev 2 months ago
I mean, I don’t think that’s the way to go about it. Trains don’t take me to my family across the planet in 11 hours. I’d prefer to feel secure when flying there.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Airbus will still be (mostly) safe. And I’m more concerned with the number of flights - particularly short flights that can be substituted by trains - than with flying per se. For long-distance travel, we don’t have a comparable alternative (yet).
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Why promote flying? Why not invest heavily in really fast ground transportation? Let’s build a bullet train between major hubs so people have a choice. If there’s a serious competitor to flying, Boeing will have to improve or they’ll lose a ton of business.
If the government takes over airlines or airplane manufacturing, we’ll just end up with lots of cronyism.
I say start with LA to SF and LA to LV. The current infra there sucks, and there’s a lot of worthwhile stops along the way. Then perhaps upgrade NYC to DC and related lines. It’ll be incredibly expensive to roll out, but should be very cheap to run and maintain.
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You gonna build a bullet train across the ocean?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
No, planes are good for that. But there’s a ton of domestic travel that could easily be replaced with a decent rail network.
sudo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Which, given the context that planes are necessary, you continue to ignore the OP:
Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is absolutely not something you want to happen.
And then your justification for not privatizing is cronyism. So the government contracts for air travel = bad, but the ones for your project are… good??
Your comment was really just a soap box to say air=bad, trains=good. I’m not going to argue trains are bad, but maybe make an honest argument for it.
Patch@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Yes, it’s always going to be unfeasible to cross the Atlantic or Pacific by train.
But the vast, vast majority of air journeys taken every day aren’t trans-oceanic ones. Most journeys are between destinations within the Americas or within Eurasia and Africa. There are an awful lot of journeys by plane that could be moved to trains if the infrastructure was right.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ekranoplan when?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ekranobahn.
jkrtn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Yeah, here we go. Trains are so much more pleasant. If they weren’t 10 times as slow I would never fly.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If they weren’t 10 times as slow I would never fly.
We have the tech for high speed rail, we just refused to build it because of lobbying (bribery), regulatory capture, and forced dependence on cars and planes.
aeharding@vger.social 2 months ago
To me at least the speed isn’t a problem. I’d much rather take a 2 day Amtrak (in sleeper) than an 8 hour plane.
The problem is the pricing, and also how much it fluctuates due to the extremely low capacity (one train a day…)
turkalino@lemmy.yachts 2 months ago
The government has already stepped in several times. If you’re in the mood to get mad, read up on the results of these interventions. Basically, Boeing was almost forced to deal with actual oversight, but was able to convince the government at the last minute that they could handle the oversight themselves internally (thanks to the wonderful process of lobbying of course)
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
The above comment means to nationalize the industry I think. That’s what it sounds like to me, and I agree it’d be a good step. In addition to safety, it’d stop them from their bullshit price gouging.
0x0@programming.dev 2 months ago
It’s not about trust in flying it’s about trust in Boeing. Slight difference.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Boeing was being brash until they got caught with their pants down.
You know for sure that shit happens at other manufacturers but they kept it low, and they probably are tightening their QA to not fall to scrutiny.
I hope that this will trigger heavy scrutiny from the different bodies across the world to make sure that this shit doesn’t happen anymore, but that hope is naive.
Patch@feddit.uk 2 months ago
That seems to be a rather unfair assertion to make. Boeing seems to be unique amongst the big airlines in having these problems; and they’re relatively new problems for them too, in the grand scheme of things.
I’ve never once heard of systemic issues of this sort at Airbus, and it seems lazy to do a “they’re all the same!” when this really does seem to be a Boeing problem first and foremost.
0x0@programming.dev 2 months ago
This happens every time a company focus shifts from building a good product to appeasing the shareholder gods. Capitalism kills.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 months ago
so, it’s about trust in half of flying
BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Boeing isn’t an airline…
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The government already heavily subsidizes the “struggling” industry (that somehow still makes outrageous profits). The government really should exercise more control over the industry, given that they (we) pay a very high annual price for it to exist.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They used to… one of carters biggest blunders.
Frozengyro@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Come on, it only effects like 1/4 of the economy.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Welcome to this Boeing 737, thanks to government regulations each seat is fitted with a cop that will feel you up through the flight. If you don’t put your phone in airplane mode he or she will shoot you in the back 10 times only. 7 crashes per year is the legal limit and we already had 6 so you are all lucky!
Moreless@lemmy.world 2 months ago
- Normal people work on planes
- Government takes over
- Government hires contractors
- Contractors are normal people
- Profit
BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Boeing is the only company actually trying to reach their net zero target. Once no Boeing plane are flying anymore that’s it, no more CO2 emissions