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nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks agoA gynaecologist “treats” the patient, benefitting the patient.
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not rape if it’s your dog
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
I would really like to see you try to get your dog pregnant.
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Why do you want to watch that?
A human can try to impregnate a dog, they just can’t succeed
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s correct, yes.
However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So you’re aware, that’s a really fucked up thing to think. Let alone say.
But maybe we disagree only on terminology?
What would you call the act of nonconsensually sticking your dick into your dog, and do you think it’s horrible?
Senal@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Ah the tried and tested “it’s ok if it’s my property” which historically(and currently) is a universal guideline for what is and isn’t ok.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Idk there’s two schools of thought on this. One is that you can own another creature with a mind. I find this attitude leads to a lot of very unsettling situations and possibly weird shit.
The other is that you treat them like a child that is in your custody where you can order them what to do and where to go and what to eat but society expects you to follow certain rules while they’re in your custody.
MrSmith@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ah yes, that’s the take I want to side with!
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?
If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human, inseminating them without consent wouldn’t be rape?
uberdroog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thank you! I knew I heard it somewhere before
bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
If it applies to one animal it should apply to all, but go ahead and be a special snowflake instead
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
no. different things are different.
Makhno@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The attitude of someone who mistreats animals ☝️
bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Like, what a fucking stupid answer that can apply to anything and nothing at the same time.
Animals are animals, and humans are animals. Kangaroos are not cows, but both are also animals - different things ARE different, but at the same time, in some aspects, they are not.
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pretty fucked up to try to equate animal husbandry with rape.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do, then animals can be raped. If slavery was still legal, would you write “it’s pretty fucked up to equate slave husbandry with rape”? Just because we have historically done something, that doesn’t mean that what we’re doing is in any way moral.
stickly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Animals can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
I don’t even think that statement is anthropocentric hubris. If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we’d get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse.
Cows get more rights than trees or crops because they have an ability to express pain and convey emotion. They don’t have the same rights as humans because they could never give a passionate argument for suffrage to a jury.
And to be clear: there are plenty of real, tangible reasons to end animal husbandry and make everyone vegan without even touching philosophy.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Slaves can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
Your ancestors, probably
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we’d get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse
I can’t believe you said this with a straight face. This is the depths of depravity and mental gymnastics that a non vegan philosophical position leads to. I’m also sure that if this actually happened, you would throw your logic in the trash, where it belongs, and you would fight for the liberation of the slaughtered race.
Do you want to extend the argument to a person who is in a permanent comatose state? By your definition, they are without “higher levels of thought and expression”. Is it cool to eat them?
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fucking hell, now you’re comparing slaves to animals? Seek help
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I am, the comparison is extremely apt. An entire group of thinking, feeling, sentient, living creatures, exploited for profit. We look down on them as being beneath us, and a culture that normalizes beating, raping and killing them. Living beings, treated as property. They are slaves. Lots of people like to believe that if they had lived during slavery, they would have been against it. This is the modern equivelent.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Wow, comparing actual human slavery to cattle production. That’s certainly a take
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do
no one believes that. not even vegans
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
[deleted]M137@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How is impregnating a treatment?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Dude, forcing semen into a vagina is not a fucking treatment. Disgusting rape apologia.
krox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Do bulls obtain consent? Nature is rapey as hell
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Artificial insemination is a treatment.
_tasten_tiger@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Right, but in the case of animals these decisions are up to the owner.
_tasten_tiger@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
You are aware humans are animals? The differentiation “human” is artificial and made up…
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
…and it’s medically indicated
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical “treatment” then you are a dumbass
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly, this is basically finding excuses to justify these actions. A treatment treats a condition, yet what does this treat - an ego of an person apparently.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Right, but we do need more cows in the long run.
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
a) we don’t b) they can happily fuck on their own, it just makes it harder to exploit them for their body fluids. Nobody cares about the calves, they are just needed for the mothers to lactate
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You can find cows that fuck, no need to insert yourself into the reproductive cycle of cows.
MrSmith@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We, in fact, do not.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Absolute slaver brained person
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
It is rape!
Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,
Jumi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cows are not on the same level as humans
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Arguing with vegans is like arguing with antivaxxers, they are positions based on emotions and they have their own version of reality they use to reinforce their believes. They often claim they have studies to back up their claims but the most shallow dive shows them to be bullshit.
It’s literally evident as they try to reframe this as rape. Their need to lean on rhetoric shows they have a strong basis for their believes.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Artificial insemination without consent is rape. Natural insemination without consent is rape.
Cows cannot give consent to humans. No animal can. Hell, even if we discovered another human-like species but couldn’t have meaningful communication with them, it’d still be rape.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
You can get consent from the cows owner. Definitely don’t inseminate some else’s cow without asking.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Consent from the owner?
And what if chattel slavery still existed? Would you be free to rape a black woman if her “owner” said yes?
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 week ago
*Procedure, a treatment is to relieve negative symptoms