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nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours agoA gynaecologist “treats” the patient, benefitting the patient.
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s not rape if it’s your dog
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 5 hours ago
I would really like to see you try to get your dog pregnant.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
That’s correct, yes.
However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
So you’re aware, that’s a really fucked up thing to think. Let alone say.
But maybe we disagree only on terminology?
What would you call the act of nonconsensually sticking your dick into your dog, and do you think it’s horrible?
Senal@programming.dev 4 hours ago
Ah the tried and tested “it’s ok if it’s my property” which historically(and currently) is a universal guideline for what is and isn’t ok.
bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
If it applies to one animal it should apply to all, but go ahead and be a special snowflake instead
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
no. different things are different.
Makhno@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The attitude of someone who mistreats animals ☝️
bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
Like, what a fucking stupid answer that can apply to anything and nothing at the same time.
Animals are animals, and humans are animals. Kangaroos are not cows, but both are also animals - different things ARE different, but at the same time, in some aspects, they are not.
Devadander@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Pretty fucked up to try to equate animal husbandry with rape.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do, then animals can be raped. If slavery was still legal, would you write “it’s pretty fucked up to equate slave husbandry with rape”? Just because we have historically done something, that doesn’t mean that what we’re doing is in any way moral.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 43 minutes ago
Wow, comparing actual human slavery to cattle production. That’s certainly a take
stickly@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Animals can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
I don’t even think that statement is anthropocentric hubris. If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we’d get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse.
Cows get more rights than trees or crops because they have an ability to express pain and convey emotion. They don’t have the same rights as humans because they could never give a passionate argument for suffrage to a jury.
And to be clear: there are plenty of real, tangible reasons to end animal husbandry and make everyone vegan without even touching philosophy.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 hours ago
Slaves can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
Your ancestors, probably
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Fucking hell, now you’re comparing slaves to animals? Seek help
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 7 hours ago
[deleted]bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
Dude, forcing semen into a vagina is not a fucking treatment. Disgusting rape apologia.
M137@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
How is impregnating a treatment?
remon@ani.social 7 hours ago
Artificial insemination is a treatment.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 minute ago
it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal
_tasten_tiger@feddit.org 7 hours ago
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.
remon@ani.social 7 hours ago
Right, but in the case of animals these decisions are up to the owner.
_tasten_tiger@feddit.org 7 hours ago
You are aware humans are animals? The differentiation “human” is artificial and made up…
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
…and it’s medically indicated
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical “treatment” then you are a dumbass
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 6 hours ago
It is rape!
Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,
Jumi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Cows are not on the same level as humans
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 minutes ago
Arguing with vegans is like arguing with antivaxxers, they are positions based on emotions and they have their own version of reality they use to reinforce their believes. They often claim they have studies to back up their claims but the most shallow dive shows them to be bullshit.
It’s literally evident as they try to reframe this as rape. Their need to lean on rhetoric shows they have a strong basis for their believes.