Comment on Learning to drive
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day agoCame here to say that whoever wrote this is old, like me.
The switch from 10/2 to 9/3 is because of airbags. If you’re doing it the old way, you’re more likely to have the airbag catch your hand and whack you right in the face with it.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 23 hours ago
titanicx@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
You’re all wrongz left hand 1:00 that’s the correct way.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It’s mainly for better control of the vehicle. At 9 and 3, you can pull the steering wheel straight down to turn.
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
In a modern car, yes.
Siethron@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I thought the risk was degloving.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Keep your thumbs out of the center too
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
Yeah, I can see that, too. Definitely more than one additional injury risk that is easily mitigated by changing hand position habits. Totally makes sense that they changed the way driving is taught.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev 20 hours ago
My driving instructor said the airbag could rip the skin off your arms lol
__ahhhhh@lemmynsfw.com 15 hours ago
Can confirm
zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
10 and 2 was always stupid. When I was young I got an opportunity to go to a racing school and that was one of the first things they talked about. If you mime driving a car, do you put your hands at 10 and 2? No, you’ll probably do 9 and 3. Better control, less going hand over hand.
Also you should push the steering wheel with your outside hand, not pull it. Smoother input.
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
Aha, hand over hand, now I get to wax poetic about that.
Hand over hand steering was useful up until maybe the mid 1960s. Later, too, but after about 1967, power steering was becoming more the norm. Cars were far more likely to not have power steering. Instead, they employed lower range steering gear boxes and giant trash can lid steering wheels. In order to make a regular old 90 degree turn, you'd have to crank the wheel over way more than you do on a modern car, and the car was heavier, had steel wheels (more mass to move).
They continue to teach it today, because if your car loses power and/or shuts off (ICE cars especially, not impossible with EVs) or the power steering otherwise fails while you're moving, you're really going to want to know how to hand over hand steer. It's much more difficult to steer a car with power steering that's dead/broken than a car that just doesn't have power steering at all. Why they still demand it for drivers' tests on every turn, I don't know. You should be able to demonstrate that you can do it, but hand over hand steering on essentially every car today is more clumsy, as long as everything is working properly.
errer@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I had a Chevy S10 without power steering and man steering that thing at low speeds was such a bitch (such as when you’re trying to do a three point turn). You get a real workout every time you drive. So grateful power steering is in all cars nowadays.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 40 minutes ago
Why didn’t you fix the power steering? I’m pretty sure they were all built with it.
Triumph@fedia.io 23 hours ago
Yeah ... There was a weird in between time where there were still some small vehicles without p/s, but they were still using similar steering boxes or racks, and the same smaller steering wheel. I'm pretty sure that rack and pinion steering is more difficult without power assist, too, or because a different enough gearing would change the packaging, need too much room, increase design/production/manufacture costs too much - they just went fuck it and removed p/s without changing anything else because "good enough".
I don't remember whether the S10 had rack and pinion or pitman arm style.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
We had a 70s F-350 flatbed with no power steering for hauling stuff around the farm. Actually driving the truck was as much of a workout as loading the bed
jaybone@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Nothing like a technical discussion of automotive steering history without a reference to Toonces.
Triumph@fedia.io 21 hours ago
If we’re going there, let me tell you about tillers.
snooggums@piefed.world 1 day ago
Hand over hand is better for ensuring you have a grip that can go either direction if something pulls on your wheels suddenly, like in slippery conditions. It isn't necessary to pull it like climbing the rope in gym class with power steering, but awkward hand positions can lead to loss of control.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
This is the kind of niche spew of knowledge that only those touched by the tism could produce.
Triumph@fedia.io 22 hours ago
My wife is the NT in a house full of NDs, so she has some inkling of what it's like to be us.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Amateur hour itt…
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Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 hours ago
Lol you need an assistive device? Just use the palm of your hand, scrub.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
But that’s busy smackin yo mama
frank@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
Yup, exactly this.
Coached race cars (and bikes) at tracks for years, and amateur raced for more than a decade.
Try just pushing (not pulling). You have a LOT more range and more comfortable control from 9/3 than 10/2
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
10 and 2 (and now 9 and 3, though to a lesser extent) is just a visual indicator of what drivers you need to be extra wary of when they’re around you
BluesF@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Drying a dinner plate was how my teacher described turning. Starting with both hands opposite (10/2 or 9/3 would work fine) - push with one hand and slide the other one towards it until they meet at the top, then switch which hand is holding and reverse the motion, so you end up doing both, but you never cross your hands.