Comment on The recent Steam censorship debacle actually sort of opened me up to adult games.

Apeman42@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• Boddhisatva@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  We’re so conditioned to think realistic violence in games is fine, but realistic sex in games is “wrong” or “sad”.

  Not just in games. In all media. You bring to mind a great quote from George R. R. Martin.

  “I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”

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  • Coelacanth@feddit.nu ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve always felt that puritan stigmatization of sex and sexuality have really fucked us up psychologically as a species.

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    • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Axes entering skulls give pleasure to the psychopaths we let run our societies.

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    • Broadfern@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Puritanism comes down to “happiness is bad.“

      Not just sex; dancing, music, poetry, novels, games, decorations. Anything which takes joy in life and expression is forbidden.

      Suffering while alive is seen as the proper punishment for being born human - seeing people and nature as beautiful and divine is legitimately blasphemy to these people.

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I remember a quote from a famous porn actor “nacho vidal”.

    “I’d rather have my kids playing with “fake plastic penises” around the house rather than playing with fake plastic firearms.”

    I’m not comfortable with the idea of kids playing with sexual toys. But it makes me feel something weird that I’m not more weirded out by kids playing to kill with fake guns.

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    • ouRKaoS@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m pretty sure a majority of people touched a real penis before touching a real gun.

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  • rapchee@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    well tbf one of the detailed sex scenes (in the book) is between a 30 yrs old khal drogo with a 13 year old Daenerys Targaryen, and it’s being depicted as a good thing, he’s the first guy that cares about her

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  • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    japanese manga is a nice counter to this

    the media targeted to older readers has many well done stories that contain realistic sexuality (good and bad)

    and i’m not talking about the stupid shit like jacking it in the river gave me a half fish half man son

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  • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/

    I think onscreen chemistry peaked in Casino Royale. Now it all feels clinical/sterile.

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    • Brylant@discuss.online ⁨21⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Omg what an utter dogshit of an article this is. I bet a fat person expecting unnecessary sex scenes in action movies wrote it. Like go watch some BBW porn you whale.

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    • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And this isn’t just the lead and the love interest: supporting characters look this way too, and even villains (frequently clad in monstrous makeup) are still played by conventionally attractive performers. Even background extras are good-looking, or at least inoffensively bland. No one is ugly. No one is really fat. Everyone is beautiful.

      Heh, this reminds me of this scene in Last Action Hero (Just watch until 1:34 or so for the scene I’m referring to.

      Honestly though, I think this might be starting to change. Looking at shows like Resident Alien and Wheel of Time, for example, there are plenty of casting choices that go against that trend. Now, I’m not saying anyone in these shows is ugly or anything like that, but there are a lot of folks being cast who are not “classic Hollywood pretty” and it’s very nice to see. I like seeing people playing the everyday Joe art who actually looks like an everyday Joe. It really breaks immersion for me when the “ugly girl” part is played by someone who is beautiful dressed in a frumpy outfit.

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• makyo@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Leading up to the release of Cyberpunk 2077 a relatively innocent post about whether players would be able to romance anyone and sleep with them. The absolute mockery and scorn OP received was shameful. It really struck me because it was so clear how we’ve been conditioned to reject sexuality while at the same time being ultra-desensitized to violence.

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  • moody@lemmings.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What I do recall was one guy asking very specific questions about how much we would be able to customize genitals, and whether sex would be fully interactive with visuals of full penetration.

    And while none of those things are wrong per se, the general vibe of asking about all of those things was very weird and pervy.

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    • HalfSalesman@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And while none of those things are wrong per se, the general vibe of asking about all of those things was very weird and pervy.

      Unshackle your mind. Reject the puritanism bonk and embrace the horniness tentacles.

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    • makyo@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hm maybe my memory of the post is fuzzy but that is more pervy than I recalled. Still gets to the larger point though about how we talk about violence in graphic detail with no self-consciousness but can’t do the same for sexuality.

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      • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        more pervy

        Showing examples of your point, even :)

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    • niva@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And? What is the answer to these questions? Asking for a friend …

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      • makyo@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I was pretty surprised that they did have genital customization in the game, no on the other two questions though.

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• Carighan@piefed.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  And then you usually get "But the sex isn't realistic!!!"... yeah? Neither is the violence, unless you are frequently the Doomslayer or something?!

  Like, how is that even an argument. How can violence in games be preferrable to sex?!

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  • SparroHawc@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Part of the actual answer to that question is that, while violence is often loud and public (and sometimes government sanctioned on massive scales), sex is something that is usually done in private, intimate settings without observers.

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• RebekahWSD@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It was wild being raised by my mother who didn’t mind if I saw consensual sex, because I should eventually have sex, but restricted all violence because ideally I’ll never see violence in person.

  I have no idea how good this is a philosophy for raising children. Sample size is too small.

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• Kenny2999@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  beating beats beating

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• SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You know that even fantasy sex is a problem to the puritan mind, even mild representations of sex like activities becomes weird. Well in the Western society that is. I found out that some temples in India are finely decorated with more or less explicit scenes. In certain societies sex is seen as an engine. The issue with violence is that it isn’t just highly but it’s nearly a constant in our western society. Go back to the middle ages, how many people whacked each other in popular imagery. Even recently we have seen more violence than ever. Gore doesn’t do much any longer for many adults, but it’s supposed to elicit a strong evolutionary reflex of disgust and fear. I feel we’ve been overexposed to these things, but not others.

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• Strider@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Please note that this is mostly an American thing, in European TV and books we have naked people and (not too explicit detail) sex.

  Some of us are always wondering about this. Something 18+ might be sex or gore related.

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