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• 0xSim@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’m migrating to Linux Mint, 99% of steam games work as well as on windows. Those who don’t are mostly multiplayer games that insist to have some shitty kernel anticheat.

  I’ll still keep windows on dual boot when I need it, though.

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  • dtrain@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Shit , I just installed oblivion reboot and worked on day 1 without issues in popOS.

    Gaming is such a nonissue on Linux now

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    • tulwinn@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’d have to disagree that it’s a non issue it’s definitely improved, but I still come across little irritations that pop up on Linux but not Windows games.

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    • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s a non issue for most games, which is great but every now and then there’s a game that’s too tightly integrated into windows (like phasmophobia and it using the cortan API of all things for voice chat) or one that relies on an incompatible anti cheat system.

      The Linux community need to figure out a new friendly standard to ensure anti cheat without out needing to act like a backdoor to the root kernel. I wish I was smart enough to help with that sort of stuff.

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      • dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I think Valve and Arch are working on that with their collab on the secure signing enclave.

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    • tfowinder@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      NVIDIA drivers finally behaving well?

      Last tried gaming on Linux Mint 2 years ago faced a lot of graphic glitches, full screen issues, pointer issues.

      Finally gave up.

      I had NVIDIA gpu though

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      • mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        No nvidia issues in mint for the past two years that I have been using it

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      • dtrain@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah, I’m on a 3080ti and don’t have issues with the drivers in the pop store

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      • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        NVIDIA GTX is still a crapshoot if you wanted to play games on an older system (at least with modern desktop environments that use wayland) and RTX is going to be fine for most things unless you wanted to use Steam Gaming Mode on bazzite (because it was built with AMD in mind and uses APIs that the equivalent in the nvidia drivers are buggy - but they seem to not matter when in games because devs make them work on both cards or have just accidentally avoided those APIs - I’m guessing that’s the reason - I think it’s vulkan related iirc)

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      • Shyanae@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I switched two Months ago to Mint and have no issues with a 1070. Even G sync works :)

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  • MrNesser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Well no Helldivers if I go that route

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    • domi@lemmy.secnd.me ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Helldivers works fine on Linux, I play it from time to time.

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      • scintilla@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Usually it works every once and a while they have an update that breaks shit but they usually fix it pretty quickly.

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    • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Gold rating on protondb
      https://www.protondb.com/app/553850

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    • pineapplepizza@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Maybe too late, but,no tux, no bux.

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      • MrNesser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        What’s that mean

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• sixty@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’m not a Linux hater (believe it or not), but I’m definitely not an evangelist either, and I think this eternal praise for Linux is just not warranted.

  If you want things to “just work” in any capacity, then you’re in for a bad time.

  Personally, I don’t want Windows 11 on my next PC, but I don’t have the time or the desire to get into the troubleshooting hell that unfortunately is Linux either.

  People say that anything is possible on Linux, but at the same time roast you for even thinking that it’s not gonna take enormous amounts of un-learning and self education when coming from Windows.

  Linux fanboys who don’t see it’s faults can be sort of toxic.

  I don’t doubt that I’ll get downvoted for this, but I think there need so be more differing opinions on Linux on here.

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  • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Linux users to Windows users with a question: “you can solve that by switching to Linux”

    Linux users to that same user when they switch to Linux and have a question: “why the fuck do you wanna do that? Go back to Windows.”

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Almost always, Linux users try to help. However if someone comes over and wants to do things like Windows instead of learning how the new system works, they probably won’t help them with that.

      It’s a new system. It’s going to work differently. You have to be willing to learn and adapt to it, just as you had to do when learning Windows. No one is going to spend time helping you contort Linux to work like Windows when the solution is simple but you just have to be willing to learn it.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      why the fuck do you wanna do that? Go back to Windows.

      Yeah that is basically my concern. However I figure I can always just buy a Windows licence if it doesn’t work out.

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      • SeekPie@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Or use massgrave.dev and get it for free.

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  • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If you want things to “just work” in any capacity, then you’re in for a bad time.

    Most things do. Not everything obviously, but that’s true for Windows and everything else too. Technology is complex.

    People say that anything is possible on Linux, but at the same time roast you for even thinking that it’s not gonna take enormous amounts of un-learning and self education when coming from Windows.

    You see, this is the issue. Of course it’s going to behave differently. It’s an entirely different system. The issues come when people switch to Linux and expect Windows still. It isn’t Windows. You have to be ready and willing to learn how Linux works, and willing to adapt to what it does differently. For example, on Windows most applications check for updates when they launch and you have to go to a website to get them. On Linux, once a package is installed, your package manager handles all updates for you and you never have to worry about it again, besides just telling the package manager to update occasionally.

    Linux fanboys who don’t see it’s faults can be sort of toxic.

    Obviously it has faults. I don’t know anyone who says otherwise. Windows users who ignore that they’ve just gotten used to all of Window’s faults are horrible though. I spent a long time learning to avoid or fix the faults of Windows, and I stopped seeing them because that’s just the way things were. Once I switched to Linux and don’t have to deal with them anymore, they become clear. It’s not a user friendly OS. Users just got used to it because they had to. They can also get used to Linux of they want too, for free and without a company harvesting their data or trying to push stuff on them.

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is one of the major bugbears - linux for a long time had a lot of fucking about required under the hood.

    This has not been the case for a decade or so now, straight outta the box it works as painlessly as windows

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• plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I also tried Ubuntu 10 years ago and threw it away in anger. Have been using mint for over a year now and game on it regularly. All I really needed to know was: use proton and add ‘gamemoderun %command%’ into the launch option of the game.

  Except for mods on Nier. That was a hassle.

  Its actually more annoying on the work computer. Ms office windows apps are kind of great compared to libreoffice, especially with the collaboration options. But Linux is nicer to do dev work on so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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  • domi@lemmy.secnd.me ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Ms office windows apps are kind of great compared to libreoffice

    Did you give OnlyOffice a try? flathub.org/apps/org.onlyoffice.desktopeditors

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    • plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I did, it is a little easier for me to use than libre.

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• unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I was in a similar boat and have found modern Linux to be somewhere between Windows XP and Windows 10 in terms of convenience and having it “just work”. However, I reckon I’ve spent less time troubleshooting than I would spend raging at the bullshit Microsoft keeps trying to shove down your throat in Windows. On balance I’m counting it as a win, and I suspect you will too.

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• AstralPath@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Nobara or Bazzite are your best Linux options for gaming. I’ve been on Nobara for over a year with nothing but good things to say about the distro and its community.

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• Coldcell@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Please update this if you fun into the usual brick wall of hand modifying config files or self-compiling some obscure git pull just to make basic things like audio and network work.

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    How many people have these issues with audio and networking? I currently have 8 Linux computers and none of this has been necessary on any of them.

    And editing a config file is hardly a “brick wall”.

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    • stephen01king@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Its definitely a brick wall to a majority of people using Windows right now.

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      • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If you made it to Lemmy, it probably isn’t. I’d bet most Windows users here have modified their registry files at least once. If you can do that, you can handle Linux without an issue. People just forget how much they’ve had to deal with on Windows, but expect Linux to have zero problems.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      editing a config file is hardly a “brick wall”.

      No it’s not but it’s also not something I’m prepared to put up with. When I turn my computer on it’s because I have something I want to do and the thing I want to do with it is not mess with basic the configuration.

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      • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I have a question. Have you modified registries in Windows? If so, you’ve done harder stuff than Linux will ask of you already. You just don’t think about it anymore.

        Once Linux is set up (which is trivial now), it’s easier to manage than Windows. How often do you have something to do, launch the app, the app sends you to a website for an update, then you have to navigate there and download it, run it, and restart? On Linux, as long as you tell your package manager to update occasionally, all your applications will be kept up to date. Applications don’t have to manage updates themselves and you just need to hit a few buttons or type one command and you’re updated.

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      • oo1@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Personally I’d advise against linux then. even if it means a million downvotes here.

        Windows or actually OSX (if you’re ok with mac hardware) or chromeos will work much better for people who don’t ever want to do any basic configuration of their system. All of those have their own issues of course, so it’s a tradeoff for the user to consider. If doing no basic config is the #1 requirement, then I think that rules out linux as the correct choice.

        If a user would stay maybe 12-24 months behind the cutting edge then they might be ok with a rolling release. The one time I did get a latest gen Wifi/BT card, I had to migrate from Debian to Arch to get it working.

        I belive the only way youll get that experince with linux is with defined hardware - laptops or steamdeck. Linux is never going to cover all possible bleeding edge hardware combinations in a custom PC with no user config effort.

        Until or unless linux becmes bigger than MS, and all HW manufactures get theur linux drivers working before the device goes on sale, as a matter of course. Never gonna happpen unless MS actually goes bust or something. I can’t see linux ever competing in B2B market; do all linux distributers combined have the resources to smarm up to a million corpo procurement twats? I don’t think so.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If you’re going that far, you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere. Please ask for help before digging into compiling stuff, unless that’s what you’re into, there’s probably a simpler solution.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It sounds like the version they were using didn’t have the right drivers in the build. Seems a lot of work to go to just to get new drivers.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If the source is available somewhere, but it’s not in your distro’s repos, there’s probably a good reason for that. Ideally just get better hardware. A WiFi chip is usually something like $20-30 and is replaceable on most laptops and desktops. An audio card can be bypassed with USB or a PCIe add-in card. That’s pretty much everything this might apply to.

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• IcyToes@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  AMD or NVidia?

  Most games that I play work well on Linux. Anti-cheat stuff can be an exception though so best to ensure what you enjoy works.

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• OrderedChaos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Unfortunately brand new hardware has issues more often than not. I had to get a beta build just to get wifi to work on one system I built.

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• tulwinn@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I have Linux up and running and it’s definitely improved, I’ve fixed almost all the issues I’ve had previously. Unfortunately, discord is missing attenuation on Linux. This is a real problem for me and if I could find a solution, I could ditch windows.

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• Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Just keep in mind that there are some very different options within the Linux world and different people here will push you towards different options. The two most common and most different options are Bazzite and Mint.

  While both of them can definitely work well, in my experience Mint still leaves a lot of new users unsatisfied with it. I’m yet to see any windows user complain about Bazzite, so that’s my recommendation.

  Either way if you try one and it doesn’t live up to your expectations, there’s still a chance the other might.

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• Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  For gaming, I recommend Garuda. It has a preset for gaming in particular with a lot of packages you’ll need to install, and a tool to install extra things you may want, like software for controllers and things like that. I think it also has the Nvidia drivers built in (I’m AMD though, so I’m not sure) which isn’t always the case. It’s also Arch based, so the Arch wiki, which is one of the best Linux information sources, will all work, and it can access the Arch User Repository (AUR) where users upload packages, which may be important. For example, Runescape doesn’t work on Linux as is, but there is a package on the AUR for a launcher that works.

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• elatedCatfish@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Use Bazzite! Works great now even with Nvidia cards. Been able to run anything the same as I did on windows before. Was able to get VR working too pretty quickly by using ALVR

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