So the bill has balls and teeth?! Impressive.
Oregon Passes 'Right to Repair' Law With Extra Cojones: Oregon’s “right to repair” bill, which now only needs the governor’s signature before it becomes law, has teeth not found in similar legislation
Submitted 7 months ago by silence7@slrpnk.net to technology@lemmy.world
https://fossforce.com/2024/03/oregon-passes-right-to-repair-law-with-extra-cojones/
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BertramDitore@lemmy.world 7 months ago
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Like Deadpool’s nether regions.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
Balls and teeth, but no game systems, farm equipment, anything with an engine (ice), or…electric toothbrushes. All exempt.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
One ball and one tooth.
los_chill@programming.dev 7 months ago
This is strangely relevant for me. Been trying to fix my expensive Sonicare for a few weeks now. Finally gave up and bought the cheapest knock-off. Left me with a bad taste…
billwashere@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Hopefully this sort of infects the entire system and causes major companies to essentially give these rights to everyone. It’s not like Apple or Samsung is going to ban products for an entire state… well hopefully.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 months ago
[deleted]billwashere@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah no doubt.
CaptainProton@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s Oregon, with a population of a whopping 4 million across the entire state, so you know what, maybe actually cheaper to cut the state off than to establish DIY supply chain for repairs parts that will undercut your whole product portfolio.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Good luck cutting off Oregon from hardware available in the rest of the state. Cutting off one state poses the same issue as gun legislation or sugar tax in a specific city, people just go to the next state over. And you very likely can’t just say “well sorry, that wasn’t sold in Oregon so that law doesn’t apply.”
They’d need to kill off the entire US market.
ALavaPulsar@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This is super great to see. Normally my home state just follows whatever California passes since we’re a much smaller market, but this time they’re really moving things forward for consumer repairability.
Also, just really reinforces how much I hate Kathy Hochul for absolutely neutering NY’s right to repair bill. Glad I don’t have her as my governor anymore.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Anyone know if the governor will actually sign it, or will they do what the New York governor did?
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No one has any insights into the politics of the governor, and the odds of him/her actually signing this?
cley_faye@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I can’t wait to see the innovative and creative ways Apple will find to create new forms of nightmare for consumers following that.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I’m staring at “Coh-Jones” for a good minute feeling really confused. Now I just feel really dumb. 🥜
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 7 months ago
Did OP edit the title cause it’s correct now with “cojones” which refers to the co-Jones Brothers who had a lot of balls and took risks with their business ventures in 1892.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 months ago
The term “cojones” originates from the Spanish word “cojón,” which literally means “testicle.” Its use as slang for courage or bravery likely comes from the association of masculinity with these traits, a concept that is prevalent in many cultures. This connection between physical attributes and perceived psychological or moral qualities is common across languages. The exact historical origin point or the first use of “cojones” in this context is difficult to pinpoint, as slang terms often evolve in spoken language before they are recorded in written texts.
In Spanish, “cojones” is a plural noun, and its adaptation into other languages, including English, retains its plural form and its informal, often vulgar connotation. The word’s use to signify courage or boldness reflects a broader metaphorical trend where physical attributes are used to symbolize character traits.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Don’t sweat it. Some days you get the bear, other days the bear gets you.
PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Probably the worst problem it’s not about physical repair but about software programmed obsolescence… and it’s not about the govt but about greedy corps which want to sell you a phone per year.
laxe@lemmy.world 7 months ago
While Apple has many issues, their support of older phones is really good. You can replace the battery once and still use the same phone for at least 5-6 years.
My current phone is 4.5 years old and still going strong, with latest software versions.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
we shoudnt depend on the goodwill of a corporation tho.
phones should be as standardized and open as computers.
PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Not bad at all, let’s hope they don’t do anything to deliberately make you have to buy new equipment.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
standardization.
PCs dont need the manufacturer (eg lenovo dell hp) to push updates to windows because the hardware is standardized and vendors cooperate to make windows interoperable.
this should be a thing with phones. let me get any compatible os into it instead of locking and signing it to the oem’s ancient firmware.
iopq@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Google already offers 7 years
If you want this, the market offered you solutions. I have a phone from 2019 that’s too slow, I would not want to use it in 2016 so I wouldn’t need 7 years of updates. They should not be forced on vendors who release budget phones
WallEx@feddit.de 7 months ago
Why have this persons comments been deleted? They’ve got upvotes, so likely not that outlandish.
GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You mean here or in other threads? They’ve made and stood by some ignorant arguments before, just look at their username.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 7 months ago
Louis Rossmann hasn’t uploaded a 20 minute video ranting about it yet so I’d say that’s a point in its favor
^I^ ^do^ ^agree^ ^with^ ^him^ ^on^ ^most^ ^topics^ ^esp^ ^right^ ^to^ ^repair^ ^but^ ^seriously^ ^when^ ^will^ ^that^ ^guy^ ^shut^ ^up^
lemonmelon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Probably when measures that genuinely protect the right to repair are enacted on a wide scale.
FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Good.
EddieTee77@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Which is why Apple doesn’t like this one but did support California’s
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Glueing iPhones and other devices together is do much better for business…you can’t fix it, and a robot can make it so you don’t need to work there and get paid part of the profit.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 months ago
[deleted]JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m confused, was this supposed to be a reply to another comment?
Skrufimonki@lemmynsfw.com 7 months ago
Needed to add price gouging for parts into the bill
Proctor called the legislation “the best bill yet” because it goes a step further than other state’s right to repair laws by calling out and making illegal “product pairing,” in which onboard software makes it impossible to install parts that aren’t from the manufacturer.
Product pairing has become a favorite way for companies to make sure that products they sell are repaired only by them, and it’s not covered in any of the other state’s right to repair laws. Apple relies on product pairing extensively. iPhone owners, for instance, generally can’t replace any parts unless the phone can determine that the replacement is a genuine Apple replacement part. This led Apple, which has supported right to repair legislation in other states, to lobby against Oregon’s bill.
“We remain very concerned about the risk to consumers imposed by the broad parts-pairing restrictions in this bill,” Apple’s principal secure repair architect, John Perry, said in February at a legislative hearing.
“An iPhone contains its owner’s important personal data including financial, health, and location information, and this bill introduces the possibility that Apple would be required to allow unknown, non-secure third-party Face ID or Touch ID modules to unlock that personal information,” Apple said in a statement on March 4. “We will continue to support repair legislation, but strongly believe this bill does not offer the consumer protections Oregonians deserve.”
That’s all horse-hockey, of course, and basically a way for Apple to publicly support right to repair while denying it to its customers, as noted by iFixit,>
Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah, it’s in the name is “security”. As if a third party camera or back cover is going to break into the OS, harvest super important user data, and then somehow find some way to transmit it back to headquarters.
You know, or they just want to make money off of selling parts at 200% profit instead of Apples 500%.
The idea that this is somehow a security risk is a giant steamy pile of bullshit to keep people buying their garbage.
cm0002@lemmy.world 7 months ago
There is a very small risk if you’re a high value person, like an important politician or something. But those same people are incredibly unlikely to have something repaired over just buying a new one, so yea bunch of horse shit lmao
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
My computer contains much more important information than my phone and there certainly isn’t any parts pairing BS there. I would never trust any biometric authentication alone for securing sensitive information. It’s good to use in addition to a secure password though.
JustinTheGM@ttrpg.network 7 months ago
Absolutely! Biometrics are at best a username, not a password.
jayandp@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
What BS. Sure, making sure every fingerprint sensor or whatever has a unique signature would allow you to lock a module to a device to prevent tampering and security bypass. But you should be able to just enter a password or recovery code in order to authorize a new part to be used with your device’s security, then it’ll be the customers responsibility to make sure that the part operates as it should. None of Apple’s business.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m sorry, are they under the impression that they still own the phone once you buy it?
Noodle07@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They are under the impression that they own you
anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 months ago
CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They should at least allow some type of registration system for the parts if they don’t allow existing pairing implementations.
blurg@lemmy.world 7 months ago
A registration system where only registered parts are allowed, so no clean room (software engineering) third-party manufacturing? Every single part has to be registered with the original device manufacturer? This seems like a detour around right to repair.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 7 months ago
One wheel as well is a notable example for me.
Personal EVS shouldn’t be completely unrepairable and unmodifiable. Just disconnecting the battery will brick it and you have to send it back to the manufacturer…
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 7 months ago
ChillPill@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Absolutely. Hugh Jefferies on youtube has done a number of videos over the years demonstrating this.