Do any of you have that one service that just breaks constantly? I'd love to love Nextcloud, but it sure makes that difficult at times

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• gerowen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve hosted mine for years on my own bare metal Debian/Apache install and 28 is the first update that has been a major pain. I’ve had the occasional need to install a new package to enable a new feature, or needed to add new/missing insides up the database, but the web interface literally tells you how to do those things, so they’re not hard.

  28 though broke several of the “featured” apps that I use regularly, like “Retention”. It also introduced some questionable UI changes that they had to fix with the recent .1 update. I’ll get occasional errors when trying to move or delete files in the web interface and everything. 28 really feels like beta software, even though we’re a point release in and I got it all from the “stable” update channel.

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  • mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve not moved to 28 yet, might wait a bit longer from your post. My 27 is rock solid, I don’t understand why so many have issues with nextcloud.

    Maybe the docker installs are pants

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    • gerowen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m on my laptop so I thought I would elaborate on my first comment to give you things to watch out for if/when you update. I’ve been hosting mine with the zip file manually installed with my own Apache/PHP/MySQL/MariaDB setup for ages now without issue. It’s been rock solid except for, like I said, the occasional changes required to take advantage of new features such as adding new indices to the database or installing an additional php addon. Here’s the things that I noticed with updating to 28.

      • The 3 dot/ellipses menu was missing in the web interface and was replaced with dedicated buttons for “Download”, “Add to Favorites” and “Delete”. Shift clicking was also broken. This meant that when I, for example, take a lot of photos for a holiday, I can’t use the web interface to select a large range of multiple files and then move them all from “InstantUpload” into a more permanent album. I either had to use the mobile app, or do them one at a time. The ellipses menu, along with the options to bulk “move/copy” have been added back since then with the *.1 update, but shift clicking in the web interface to select a range of files is still broken.
      • The “Retention” app, which is listed as a “Featured” app doesn’t function any more. I used it to automatically delete backups of my Signal messenger, files in the “InstantUpload” folder that were over a year old, etc. You can enable it, but it doesn’t actually work and just throws errors in the log file, which is now reported in the “Overview” portion of the “Administration” page with a note of “X number of errors since somedate”, and prevents you getting the green checkmark. It’s probably safe to assume that other apps will also have issues because I had half a dozen get automatically disabled with the update.
      • Occasionally when I use the web interface to move or copy a file, I’ll get an error message that the operation failed. Sometimes this is true, sometimes it’s not and the operation actually succeeded. If it ends up being true and the move did actually fail, doing it again results in a successful move.

      It seems like they’ve made some substantial under-the-hood changes to the user interface that shouldn’t have been shipped to the “stable” channel. It’s not completely broken, it “is” usable, especially after they restored my bulk move/copy button, but I still can’t use the Retention app, at least last time I looked, so I’ve literally got daily cron scripts to check those folders for old files and delete them, then trigger an occ files:scan of the affected directories to keep the Nextcloud database in sync with the changes. This however, bypasses the built-in trash bin so I can’t recover the files in the event of an issue. I actually considered rolling back to 27 for a bit, but decided against it, so if I were you, I would stick with 27 for a while and keep an ear to the ground regarding any issues people are having that are or aren’t getting fixed in 28.

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    • unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have run nextcloud:latest on Docker for the last 2 years and have had 0 problems. Maybe upgrading all the time works better than by releases.

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• bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve setup Nectcloud but have done next to nothing with it.

  My Lemmy instance gives me the most problems, but it’s also the only publicly available service I run. Mostly the issue is it seems to have a memory leak that forces me to restart it every few days.

  Everything else has been completely rock solid for me, running on a mini pc (formerly a pi4 until I wanted to start doing stuff with Jellyfin and needed more power for transcoding) on OpenSUSE Leap all in docker containers. Makes it insanely easy to move stuff. I had no issues basically just copying the docker-compose files and data and bringing them up even when switching architectures.

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• TooLazyDidntName@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Works great for me. I had it running in a snap for awhile, but now I just have it in a proxmox Debian container running a LAMP stack. I have over a terabyte of stuff saved and multiple computers syncing too, so its well used.

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• asbestos@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can’t remember the last time I laughed this much

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• tswerts@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This got mee googling Nextcloud and I think I’m going to give it a try 😱

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  • butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Seriously homie, unless you’re a fucking linux docker nerdshit wizard, you should find another way.

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    • tswerts@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks for the warning 🙂 Sometimes I still think I have as much spare time as 10 years ago 😉

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• MasterInu@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I must be in the minority. I don’t trust swarm syncing or the cloud.

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  • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nextcloud can be self hosted… It’s not really “the cloud”. Can be LAN only if you want

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  • Fungah@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m with you.

    Local everything I possibly can.

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• oij2@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well… no… I have been self hosting it for several years over multiple major versions now. Only for Files, Calendar and Deck though. It was a bit hard to set up, but reading the general Apache and PHP documentation helped a lot.

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• biddy@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I haven’t had any issues with Nextcloud yet. But any torrent client refuses to work. I’ve tried various qbittorrent containers, transmission, deluge briefly, they all work for a while but eventual refuse to do anything.

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  • Rin@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That sounds more like a network problem.

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• LordKitsuna@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I didn’t realize that next Cloud was so bad, might I recommend people having issues try Seafile? Also open source and I’ve been using it for many years without issues. It doesn’t have as many features and it doesn’t look as shiny but it’s rock solid

  Have a random meme from my instance

  seafile.kitsuna.net/f/074ad17b12ad47e8a958/

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  • sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nextcloud ist just fine. Using it since more than 7 years now with zero problems

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    • Geert@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m having a hard time believing that… There is a difference between being able to fix the update issues every time without problems or having no problems at all. But if so, neat.

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• potatopotato@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Installed it in k3s and then pulled up the Android app but all it does is say every single file is a duplicate and overload my notifications tray while not uploading anything

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• brenno@lemmy.brennoflavio.com.br ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  To be honest, no. I run in a Truenas Jail, and its stable for me. Just a bit slow for big files sometimes.

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• marble@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I gave up on owncloud just before it became nextcloud because it kept breaking every time I updated it.

  Wallabag is similar for me now. I’m stuck on a slightly out of date version because I can’t get newer ones to run. Everything else I self host is painless though.

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• neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had TOTP die for one user on my Nextcloud. I tried to disable it, but it “didn’t exist”. I tried to enable it, but it was already enabled. It would come up when I used occ twofactorauth:state user. I ended up fixing it by (force) disabling the app and re-enabling it. It didn’t break any other user’s TOTP and it fixed problem-user’s TOTP. No idea what went wrong, but I get these random issues with Nextcloud sometimes.

  The plus side to this is I’ve learnt how to use Mariadb and I’ve gotten better at debugging things.

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• Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well dang, I have Nextcloud installed as a snap (which has been perfectly stable for me when running on Ubuntu Server), but I was thinking of switching over to a docker installation; this thread doesn’t exactly fill me with enthusiasm for that idea…

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  • JustinAngel@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anecdotal, but Ive had a container running Nextcloud in an LXC on Proxmox along with PiHole, Step CA, Bacula, and quite a few other services and I’ve had zero downtime since June 2023. Even have Tailscale rigged to use PiHole as the tailnet DNS to have adblocking on the go.

    Guess that restart: always value in the Compose config is pulling it’s weight lol

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  • cybersandwich@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I ended up on the snap because I couldn’t get the AIO install working properly. My snap version has been super solid. I think I’m gonna stick with it for a while.

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    • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What issues were you having with the AIO docker?

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• butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Currently dealing with this nonsense, Image

  and this accompanying nonsense:

  Image

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why is your Collabora server on local host? Local host will always point to the device you are trying to access from. You need a publicly accessible URL

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    • butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Local host” in this instance refers to my desktop computer where all my super sweet Linux distros are saved. Nextcloud Office, while being an “app” appears to not have any function without the collabora; i.e. there will be no document viewer without the collabora “server” running next to NextCloud.

      Or maybe it’s none of that. Coming from a Windows background, running docker is completely foreign.

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The very same reason why I gave up on Nextcloud. Too many nasty surprises.

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  • butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Did you find a self-hosted solution?

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    • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I found a service that syncs our calendars self-hosted. That was the only thing that was missing. Can’t remember the name, works flawlessly and without any problems for a number of years now. If you are interested, I’ll look it up next weekend.

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• ChillPill@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The snap version of nextcloud has been pretty solid for me, except for the time that I installed the nextcloud backup app.

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• Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My wonderful MongoDB powered, old as fuck mFi vm. It’s running on Ubuntu 14 because that’s the last supported version and Ubiquiti abandoned this shit decades ago. It’s set to restore and reboot once a month. That usually keeps shit working lol

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Please tell me you don’t connect that to the internet

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I like to imagine it being pickled like Ozzy or Keith Richards.

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    • Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Haha fuck no.

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• SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Paperless often randomly stops accepting new documents. I have to wait several hours or restart it.

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• DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For me it’s Pi-hole. For six months it runs fine, then dies so horribly I resort to snapshot rollback and we both pretend it never happened.

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  • ayaya@lemdro.id ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Weird. I’ve had a Pi-Hole + Unbound running on a Pi Zero since 2018 and it’s never had any issues. I expected the Zero to kinda suck but it has been nothing but smooth sailing. It gets USB power from my router and even if my router reboots the Pi also auto reboots itself.

    I do next to no maintenance on it and it just keeps on chugging along. Maybe once every six months or so I SSH in and do a pihole -up and that’s it.

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  • Mechanize@feddit.it ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Give technitium a go, my woes diminished drastically with that.

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    • thickconfusion@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      !RemindMe 7d

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• NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not self hosting an instance, but kbin is super fucking broken lately and it’s getting really frustrating. It’s been about a week. I submitted a ticket in their Git repo, but no response.

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  • tal@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The most-recent release of lemmy dicked up outbound federation pretty badly on the instance I use.

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• u_tamtam@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Take that as you want but a vast majority of the complaints I hear about nextcloud are from people running it through docker.

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  • xantoxis@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Does that make it not a substantive complaint about nextcloud, if it can’t run well in docker?

    I have a dozen apps all running perfectly happy in Docker, i don’t see why Nextcloud should get a pass for this

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    • recapitated@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have only ever run nextcloud in docker. No idea what people are complaining about. I guess I’ll have to lurk more and find out.

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    • u_tamtam@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      See my reply to a sibling post. Nextcloud can do a great many things, are your dozen other containers really comparable? Would throwing in another “heavy” container like Gitlab not also result in the same outcome?

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  • recapitated@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Things should not care or mostly even know if they’re being run in docker.

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    • u_tamtam@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, that is boldly assuming:

      • that endlessly duplicating services across containers causes no overhead: you probably already have a SQL server, a Redis server, a PHP daemon, a Web server, … but a docker image doesn’t know, and indeed, doesn’t care about redundancy and wasting storage and memory

      • that the sum of those individual components work as well and as efficiently as a single (highly-optimized) pooled instance: every service/database in its own container duplicates tight event loops, socket communications, JITs, caches, … instead of pooling it and optimizing globally for the whole server, wasting threads, causing CPU cache misses, missing optimization paths, and increasing CPU load in the process

      • that those images are configured according to your actual end-users needs, and not to some packager’s conception of a “typical user”: do you do mailing? A/V calling? collaborative document editing? … Your container probably includes (and runs) those things, and more, whether you want it or not

      • that those images are properly tuned for your hardware, by somehow betting on the packager to know in advance (and for every deployment) about your usable memory, storage layout, available cores/threads, baseline load and service prioritization

      And this is even before assuming that docker abstractions are free (which they are not)

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Docker containers should be MORE stable, if anything.

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    • u_tamtam@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      and why would that be? More abstraction thrown in for the sake of sysadmin convenience doesn’t magically make things more efficient…

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• nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The simple fix is to not use nextcloud

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  • TBi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What’s the alternative?

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• riesendulli@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Open media vault on pi4 is shitting the bed constantly

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• Aurix@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is fine, but then again I update it often too late which is actually pretty bad. The problem is Nextcloud pushes new features and a high frequency schedule of releases with those at an alarming rate of speed. Perhaps for corporate environments it is not as big of a deal as a professional team can fix obscure bugs with their knowledge and experience on their mirrored test servers, but home users don’t have these resources available and public community knowledge and bug fixes need time which that release schedule hinders.

  I still wouldn’t say it is bad by default, simply because somehow it runs pretty stable for me since a decade. Updates are a pain though with many breaking changes and little bugs.

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• norgur@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yep. Got such a service as well. I’ve got this one docker container that’s supposed to connect to a VPN and provide access from the outside to another one. The bitch keeps just crashing to a point where even “restart policy: always” will give up on it. Doesn’t matter too much usually, since I can start the container before I need it, and it will usually run for half a day or so, yet still

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• rambos@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Bad stories about nextcloud scare me 😂 I hope Im not gonna jinx myself, but my nextcloud runs super stable for almost a year. I get some errors while updating, but service doesnt stop working and its usually simple fix by following the message it shows.

  I removed apps that I dont use (most of them) and web ui became super fast on my budget server

  Actually all services are so smooth and almost no issues, maybe beginner luck 😉

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• virtueisdead@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Invidious. It got so bad that I just gave up and switched to piped which has been… well, not perfect, but definitely far more consistent.

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My Nextcloud has been flawless. The only issue I’ve had was NFS permissions. I have automatic update setup for docker so it stays up to date.

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