Happily using NextCloud AIO without any major issue.
Do any of you have that one service that just breaks constantly? I'd love to love Nextcloud, but it sure makes that difficult at times
Submitted 10 months ago by atmur@lemmy.world to selfhosted@lemmy.world
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mitexleo@buddyverse.one 4 weeks ago
Heavybell@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I dunno what you guys are doing that makes your nextcloud die without touching it. Mine runs happily until I decide to update it, and that usually goes fine, too. I don’t use docker for it, tho.
MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I dunno what you guys are doing that makes your nextcloud die without touching it
Mine runs happily until I decide to update it
bosnia@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I swear every update ends up breaking it and putting it into maintenance mode for me. This would then lead to 1-2 hours of going through previously visited links to try and figure out what fixed it previously. For me personally, it seems like it’s usually mariadb requiring a manual update that fixes it but it’s always a little scary.
leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
In my own personal experience,
- Needs constant attention to prevent falling over
- Administration is a mess
- Takes far too long to get used to its 'little ways’
- Basics like E2EE don’t work
- Sync works when it feels like it
- Updating feels like russian roulette
cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Updating from my experience is not Russian roulette. It always requires manual intervention and drives me mad. Half the time I just wget the new zip and copy my config file and restart nginx lol.
Camera upload has been fantastic for Android, but once in a while it shits it’s brains out thinking there are conflicts when there are none and I have to tell it to keep local AND keep server side to make them go away.
viking@infosec.pub 10 months ago
The update without fail tells me it doesn’t work due to non-standard folders being present. So, I delete ‘temp’. After the upgrade is done, it tells me that ‘temp’ is missing and required.
Other than that it’s quite stable though… Unless you dare to have long file names or folder depths.
cm0002@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s like…having a toddler LMAO my little digital toddler lololol
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Am i the only one left who doesn’t want a snap docker Kubernetes container and just installs nextcloud in a normal way and never had any problems?
rummagefibre@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Same here. I’m just installing it normally, and my nextcloud instance is just chugging along.
Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Same here, but after v25(?) it won’t update on my RPi 4 any longer, think they went 64 bit only?
Other than that no issues
excitingburp@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This has been a serious concern of mine. In the event that I prematurely die I have everything set up with automatic updates, so that hopefully my family can continue to use the self-hosted services without me.
Nextcloud will not stop shitting the bed. I’d give it a few months at most if I died, at which point my family would likely turn back to Google Drive.
I’m looking for a more reliable alternative, even if it’s not as feature-rich.
colebrodine@midwest.social 10 months ago
I’ve told my wife and family that if something happens to me, they need to start migrating all their stuff off my self-hosted services to cloud services because its a matter of time before something fails and nobody’s around who knows or cares to fix it.
butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You don’t want your kids using a rope, so keep them away from linux.
sneakyninjapants@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
If you’re ok with just file storage sftpgo has been solid for me for years now. Does sftp ftp and WebDAV (like nextcloud). Webui isn’t as pretty but it’s fast. Mobile apps will be various sync apps with sftp or WebDAV support. On Android folder sync pro is pretty good for keeping documents and pictures backed up
Chadarius@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The way that they do updates doesn’t make automated updates very easy. There are usually a few little nagging things that have to be done or changed and they don’t always seem to be the same. I just update manually and make sure I’ve got a good backup of all my family’s files.
MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 10 months ago
I run it and mariaDB in docker and they run perfectly when left alone, but everything breaks horribly if I try to do an update. I recently figured out that you need to do updates for NC in steps, and docker (unRAID’s, specifically) defaults to jumping to the latest version. I think I figured out how to specify version now so fingers crossed I won’t destroy it the next time I do updates.
atmur@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is probably what I’m doing wrong. I’m using linuxserver’s docker which should be okay to auto update, but it just continuously degrades over time with updates until it becomes non-functional. Random login failures, logs failing to load, file thumbnails disappearing, the goddamn Collabora office docker that absolutely refuses to work for more than one week, etc.
I just nuke the NC docker and database and start from scratch every year or so.
thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You absolutely need to move from patch to patch and cannot just do a multiple version jump safely. You also need to validate the configs between versions, especially major release updates or you risk breaking. New features and optimizations happen and you also may need to change our update your reverse proxy configuration on update, or modify db table configuration (just puking this from memory as I’ve had to do it before). I don’t know that there’s automation for each one of those steps.
Because of that, I run nextcloud in a VM and install it from the binary package. I wrote a shell script that handles downloading, moving the files, updating permissions and copying the old config forward, symlinking and doing the upgrade. Then all I have to do is log in as administrator, check out the admin dashboard and make sure there aren’t new things I have to address in the status page. It’s a pain, but my nextcloud uses external db and redis and PHP caching so it’s not an easy out of the box setup. But it’s been solid for a long time once I adopted using this script.
fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Yeah I don’t like auto upgrades. Everyone says it’s fine but that’s not my experience.
My stuff isn’t public facing so I’m not worried about 0-days
thisfro@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
For me everything works fine since years, EXCEPT collabora. I use onlyoffice now, it’s much faster and very stable
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 10 months ago
Only complaints I have with Nextcloud are that it’s slow and updates suck over the web interface. But apart from that it has been reliable. I’m not running it through Docker. In fact, my installation is so old that the database tables still have an
oc_prefix.redcalcium@lemmy.institute 10 months ago
You might want to try migrating your nextcloud instance to postgres instead of mysql/mariadb. Many people says they get some big performance boost. I’m going to try it myself next weekend to see if it’s true.
thisfro@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
They don’t anymore? XD
czardestructo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
+1 this is exactly my experience. My install must be 5-6 years old at this point and its on the rails. I’ve braved many php updates…
humancrayon@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Mine is a snap install that started 3 years ago on virtual box and was ported over to proxmox. It has never broken, updates automatically, and generally seems to work just fine.
It doesn’t load instantly, but it doesn’t drag by any means.
Lem453@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I’ve been running nextcloud since before it was nextcloud. Was owncloud then moved to next cloud.
Another user out it best. It always feels 75% complete. Sync isn’t fast, gives errors that self correct when restarting the all. Most plugins are even more janky or feel super barren.
I wanted to like it so much but I stopped being able to trust most plugins which meant I had dedicated apps for those things and used nextcloud only for file sync.
If you only want file sync then seafile is vastly superior so that’s what I now have.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Sounds like a common software issue. All the features where developed to 80%, and then moved on to the next feature. Leaving that last, difficult, time consuming, 20% open and unfinished.
It’s the difference between more corporate or Enterprise projects and FOSS projects in a lot of ways (not saying foss is bad, just that the bar tends to be lower in my experience of building software)
Aurix@lemmy.world 10 months ago
LibreOffice wants to call with broken rendering on Windows, but the changelog mentions new tasty features. But FOSS can do it, Debian can. Those project managers should learn from their approach, whatever it is.
proton_lynx@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah, I wish Nextcloud focused more on the file manager side of their applications. I was using it on my TrueNAS instance and it seems like an unfinished product. E2EE is not enabled by default and looks like their implementation is not perfect either.
Vega@feddit.it 10 months ago
I really don’t understand all those posts: I use nginx, apparmor, partially even modsecurity, I use collabora office official debian package, face recognition, email, update regularly (waiting for major upgrades for every app I use to be updated), etc. and literally never had a problem in the last 5 years except for my own experiment. True, only 5 people use my instance, but Nextcloud is rock solid for me
multicolorKnight@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Likewise. I have been running it for years, almost no problem that I can think of. My setup is pretty vanilla, Apache, MySQL. It’s running in a container behind a reverse proxy. I keep it as up to date as possible. Only 3 people use mine, and I don’t use very many apps: files, notes, bookmarks, calendar, email.
butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I was trying for the 3rd time to install the collabora office app in nextcloud. I think it’s hilarious they know it’s going to time out and they give you a bogus command to run to fix it. So unnecessarily irritating.
thisfro@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
I have nextcloud running since nearly 5 years and it never failed once. Only dowtime is when the backup fails and somehow maintenance mode is still enabled (technically not a crash)
For those interested: Running in docker with mariadb in a stack, checking updates with watchtower everyday and pulling from stable, backups with borg(matic)
sv1sjp@lemmy.world 10 months ago
++same
Docker:nextcloud+mariadb+caddy
Czeron@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Installed Nextcloud-AIO using the docker script, took about 4 - 5 terminal commands. Practically zero issues! Hopefully someone else can provide some help in the thread!
butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Do you have office set up in it?
moomoomoo309@programming.dev 10 months ago
I have it set up. Try the AIO docker image. Once you get it set up, it pretty much just works. You just pick which office suite you want, check a few optional features if you want 'em, and it handles the rest for you. Most importantly, the AIO image is from nextcloud. They test it, it always works because it is the blessed version from them. If you’re not a Linux guy, don’t try the other installation methods, they’re much, much more difficult.
harsh3466@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is ultimately why I ditched Nextcloud. I had it set up, as recommended, docker, mariadb, yadda yadda. And I swear, if I farted near the server Nextcloud would shit the bed.
I know some people have a rock solid experience, and that’s great, but as with everything, ymmv. For me Nextcloud is not worth the effort.
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If all you want is files and sharing try Seafile
harsh3466@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s what I’ve got running now, and for me Seafile is been rock solid.
suzune@ani.social 10 months ago
I’ve been updating Nextcloud in-place (manually) for multiple major versions without any flaws. What is the problem?
InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Yea I’ve been using nextcloud for a while and it’s fine.
I remember when I used owncloud before nextcloud was even a thing and the upgrade experience was absolute shit.
These days it’s just fine.
ahal@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Nextcloud has been super solid for me using the official docker image.
onlinepersona@programming.dev 10 months ago
I wish there were an alternative in a sane programming language that I could actually contribute to. For some reason PHP is extremely sparse in its logging and errors mostly only pop up on the frontend. Having to debug errors after an update and following some guide to edit a file in the live env that sets a debugging variable, puts the system in maintenance mode and stores additional state in the DB is scary.
Plus PHP is so friggin slow. Nextcloud takes noticeable time to load nearly anything. Even instances hosted by pros that only host nextcloud are just slow.
bruhduh@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Same with my arch install, didn’t touched it for 2 months even though laptop was turned off it decided to die when i launched it and run pacman -syu
FedFer@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 months ago
I’d say that it’s your fault for running a system upgrade after 2 months and not expecting something to break but it’s not that unreasonable either
TeaEarlGrayHot@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I disagree–a system (even Arch!) should be able to update after a couple months and not break! I recently booted an EndeavourOS image after 6 months and was able to update it properly, although I needed to completely rebuild the keyring first
Xavier@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I regularly “deep freeze” or make read-only systems from Raspberry Pi, Ubuntu, Linux Mint LMDE and others Linux Distros whereas I disable automatic updates everywhere (except for some obvious config/network/hardware/subsystem changes I control separately).
I have had systems running 24/7 (no internet, WiFi) for 2-3 years before I got around to update/upgrade them. Almost never had an issue. I always expected some serious issues but the Linux package management and upgrade system is surprisingly robust. Obviously, I don’t install new software on a old system before updating/upgrading (learned that early on empirically).
Automatic updates are generally beneficial and helps avoid future compatibility/dependency issues on active systems with frequent user interaction.
However, on embedded/single purpose/long distance/dedicated or ephemeral application, (unsupervised) automatic updates may break how the custom/main software may interact with the platform. Causing irreversible issues with the purpose it was built for or negatively impact other parts of closed circuit systems (for example: longitudinal environmental monitoring, fauna and flora observation studies, climate monitoring stations, etc.)
Generally, any kind of update imply some level of supervision and testing, otherwise things could break silently without anyone noticing. Until a critical situation arises and everything break loose and it is too late/too demanding/too costly to try to fix or recover within a impossibly short window of time.
recapitated@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Always works great for me.
I just run it (behind haproxy on a separate public host) in docker compose w/ a redis container and a hosted postgres instance.
Automatically upgrade minor versions daily by pulling new images. Manually upgrade major versions by updating the compose file.
Literally never had a problem in 4 years.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m still too container stupid to understand the right way to do this. I’m running it in docker under kubernetes and sometimes I don’t update nextcloud for a long time then I do a container update and it’s all fucked because of incompatible php versions of some shit.
recapitated@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I don’t remember much about how to use kubernetes but if you can specify a tag like
nextcloud:28instead ofnextcloud:latestyou should have a safer time with upgrades. Then make sure you always upgrade all the way before moving to a newer major version, this is crucial.There are varying degrees of version specificity available: hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud/tags
Make sure you’re periodically evaluating your site with scan.nextcloud.com and following all of the recommended best practices.
madnificent@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Kubernetetes is crazy complex when comparing to docker-compose. It is built to solve scaling problems us self-hosters don’t have.
First learn a few docker commands, set some environment variables, mount some volumes, publish a port. Then learn docker-compose.
Tutorials are plenty, if those from docker.com still exist they’re likely still sufficient.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 10 months ago
They have an "all in one" docker installer for the above because you are far from alone here.
butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Dude- it’s like you’re reading my mind. I’ve installed Nextcloud 4 different times, the most recent being on docker desktop in Win11. I’ve resorted to using chatgpt to help me with the commands. LITERALLY EVERY STEP RESULTS IN AN ERROR. The Collabora office suite (necessary to view or edit cloud docs without downloading them) WILL NOT DOWNLOAD. The “php -d memory_limit=512M occ app:install richdocumentscode” chatgpt and Nextcloud suggest is not recognized by the terminal. You can’t just download Collabora, cuz fuck you, i guess, and you can’t access Docker’s actual file system from windows explorer.
I’ve typed nonsense into various black screens for upward of 20 hours now, and nextcloud is “working” locally. I can access my giant hard drive from my android nextcloud app, but it’s SLOW AS FUCK.
I can’t imagine how many man-hours it would take to open the server to the internet. Makes me want to fucking barf just thinking about it.
I’ve been fucking with Linux since 2005 and have yet to get a single thing to work correctly. I guess I’m the only one who thinks an (mostly) invisible file system in incomprehensible repetitive folders, made of complete nonsense commands might not be the best way to operate a computer system.
I’m really frustrated if you can’t tell.
On another topic, trying to get Ollama to run on my Lubuntu VM was also impossible. I guess if everyone knew it was going to force you to somehow retroactively configure every motherfucking aspect of the install nobody would bother. You can sudo all day and it still denies me permission to do things LISTED IN THE MOTHERFUCKING DOCUMENTATION.
Is this all just low-effort poorf** bullshit that doesn’t actually work?
fury@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The problem child for me right now is a game built in node.js that I’m trying to host/fix. It’s lagging at random with very little reason, crashing in new and interesting ways every day, and resisting almost all attempts at instrumentation & debugging. To the point most things in DevTools just lock it up full stop. And it’s not compatible with most APMs because most of the traffic occurs over websockets. (I had Datadog working, but all it was saying was most of the CPU time is being spent on garbage collection at the time things go wonky–couldn’t get it narrowed down, and I’ve tried many different GC settings that ultimately didn’t help)
I haven’t had any major problems with Nextcloud lately, despite the fragile way in which I’ve installed it at work (Nextcloud and MariaDB both in Kubernetes). It occasionally gets stuck in maintenance mode after an update, because I’m not giving it enough time to run the update and it restarts the container and I haven’t given enough thought to what it’d take to increase that time. That’s about it. Early on I did have a little trouble maintaining it because of some problems with the storage, or the database container deciding to start over and wipe the volume, but nothing my backups couldn’t handle.
I have a hell of a time getting the email to stay working, but that’s not necessarily a Nextcloud problem, that’s a Microsoft being weird about email problem (according to them it is time to let go of ancient apps that cannot handle oauth2–Nextcloud emailer doesn’t support this, same with several other applications we’re running, so we have to do some weird email proxy stuff)
I am not surprised to hear some of the stories in this thread, though. Nextcloud’s doing a lot of stuff. Lots of failure points.
jack@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I’ve just finally and fully spun down a proxmox server I’ve been running and updating as my home lab for six years.
Every major update seemed to break something. Upgrades were always a roll of the dice as to whether it would even boot. It’s probably at least partially my fault for using an old R710 and running docker directly on the OS instead of within a container, but it was still by far my least reliable piece of kit.
The last
apt updateremovedsudo, and I can’t be arsed to rebuild, so I’ve moved the critical bits to a fleet of SBCs. Powering that fucker down was a huge relief.sj_zero 10 months ago
Perhaps ironically, lemmy. I had the database catastrophically fail early on, and ever since then federation has been broken with most major instances. I kind of prefer lotide anyway, much more minimalistic, less of a focus on upvotes and downvotes, and the code base is simply enough that I've been able to hop into it and make changes.
specseaweed@lemmy.world 10 months ago
For years, I had an unstable unraid server. I was fixing it every couple of days after a lockup. I had decided that unraid sucked. When it was up for a week I celebrated. Every one of my dockers was a suspect. I learned to hate all of them.
Then I shitcanned the next cloud docker.
Been up for months without a hiccup.
njordomir@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I won’t update without first creating an image of the server to roll back to. Like others on here, the web updater almost always fails and goes into maintenance mode and I have to ssh in to fix it.
Having said that, functionally, I have no issues. Only when upgrading does the whole thing shit the bed.
BrightCandle@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The new Linuxserver.io docker image at the very least has solved the annoying update cycle NextCloud has and seems to have fixed the need to do that every few months. I haven’t ever had it die but I don’t push it hard and I keep the plugins to a minimum because I just don’t trust it and it doesn’t run all that well.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Never had a single functional problem with Nextcloud, other than the fact that it’s oppressively slow with the amount of files I’ve shoved into it. Mind you I also don’t use MySQL/MariaDB which I consider a garbage-tier DB. Despite Postgres not being the “Recommended DB” for Nextcloud it works perfectly for me. Maybe that’s the difference.
ikidd@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Postgres is the standard db in the AIO container nextcloud has put out as their standard.
Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 10 months ago
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MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Nextcloud for me too, would break because of updates requiring manual DB updates sometimes, apps would randomly stop working after updating too, or the 2 times it caused total data loss on all my synced devices and the server itself which required a full restore from backups.
After getting rid of it and switching to Syncthing + Filebrowser + SFTPGo for WebDAV I haven’t really had anything break since then (about a year now). Stuff also runs much faster, NC was extremely slow even on good hardware with all their recommended settings for performance.
butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If Nextcloud “caused total data loss on all my synced devices and the server itself” I would probably do something unsavory to any responsible party I could locate, and take 10 TB of data out of their lousy hide.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Yeah the first time was the time/date bug they had (still have?) where it set the time on every folder and file to 0/0/0 0:0 across all clients and the server.
Second time was I disabled virtual file support on my laptop so it would sync everything, but instead it went and wiped all the files from the server, because for some reason their sync client assumed the laptop that now had no files on it should be the master source or something.
art@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The only device running Snap in my house is a Raspberry Pi running the Snap Nextcloud and it’s rock solid.
This might be a deployment issue. How are most people running it?
neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
I use docker and I get issues sometimes. I will admit though, when I used the snap a few years back I had no issues whatsoever.
phx@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Yeah the Docker version hated me, mainly due to it sometimes getting a bit behind on updates and then having schema mismatches if I ran an update in that missed the previous one. No issues with the Snap thus far
Hexarei@programming.dev 10 months ago
The solution for me is that I run Nextcloud on a Kubernetes cluster and pin a container version. Then every few months I update that version in my deployment yaml to the latest one I want to run, and run
kubectl apply -f nextcloud.ymland it just does its thing. Never given me any real trouble.
JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
No if I have to keep fixing it , it is not worth my time.
I installed owncloud years ago and came to the same conclusion and just for rid of it. I use syncthing nowadays though its not the same thing.
marcos@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yep, I’ve adapted all of my setup to syncthing, and never looked back.
0110010001100010@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Any guidance on this? I looked into Synthing at one time to backup Android phones and got overwhelmed very quickly. I’d love to use it in a similar fashion to NextCloud for syncing between various computers too.
atmur@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m absolutely at that point with Nextcloud. I kind of didn’t want to go the syncthing route, but I’ll probably give it a shot anyway since none of the NC alternatives seem any better.
linearchaos@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I tried nc it for a while I would have taken me till the end of days to import all of my files.
I suspect I could keep it running by doing lockstep backups and updates. But it was just so incredibly slow.
I just want something that would give me remote access to my files with meta information about my files and a good search index.
flatpandisk@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Came to same conclusion too
Discover5164@lemm.ee 10 months ago
i have been running the new owncloud (ocis) and, with some quirks and very basic functionality, it’s been running for 2+ years and survived multiple updates without major complications