Pretty sure the first minds to be controlled by generative AI work on the floor at the stock exchange.
The first minds to be controlled by generative AI will live inside video games
Submitted 10 months ago by Mazdak@lemmy.org to technology@lemmy.world
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uphillbothways@kbin.social 10 months ago
APassenger@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Or another industry for adults.
NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 10 months ago
At some point in the not too distant future there’s going to be a popular video game character running an AI personality that allows communication outside of the game (to pull you back into the game) and a lot of people are going to slowly realize that they accidentally got an AI boyfriend/girlfriend.
nevemsenki@lemmy.world 10 months ago
There’s a lot of cruelty potential too. In FNAF Security Breach, you can cripple a miniboss by ripping out her eyes, and you can listen to her lament the fact afterwards. Following on that idea, imagine how many gamers would use AI controlled characters to abuse them in creative ways if they reacted properly. Ooh, I can even chop the legs off!
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Never, ever let people who have played The Sims near one of these games.
The horrors that would come.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Worse… it’s designed to increase values through friendship and ponies.
It makes sure outside events line up in sucha way that you always say “yes” on your own accord to plugging in.
kittykabal@kbin.social 10 months ago
i want to emigrate to Equestria!!! 🥺
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
“Accidentally.”
We still have a few years left. Here’s hoping for a 2029 release!
wabafee@lemmy.world 10 months ago
There is this neat game I saw in YouTube where you play as a vampire trying to convince driven NPC to let you in their house using voice. What amazes me is how good it is at detecting different accent and the AI being able to grasp the thing your talking about.
Death_Equity@lemmy.world 10 months ago
There are a few mods for Skyrim that adds LLM AI companions. So you can talk to them about whatever and they can talk back. The future of RPGs is going to be pretty sick.
Indie games like the one you mentioned are going to be able to explore some pretty cool concepts and really push the artform into amazing directions.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 10 months ago
But being able to talk about anything and having the character actually do something based on the conversation are completely different things. Yeah you can convince a random npc to “join your quest”, but unless that was programmed into the game the dialouge and the actions of the npc will contradict each other (making a worse interaction).
NPC dialouge is purposefully limited to align with what the game is programmed to do, we’re still a ways away from really being able to leverage the advances in LLMs in video games (at least based on what I’ve seen).
teft@startrek.website 10 months ago
benignintervention@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is just Westworld.
I’m tired, boss
KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
but they can’t kill you IRL yet, we need the Sword art online headsets.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Peter Molyneux wanted that back in 2010 with “Milo” and like most Molyneux ideas, it never made it. :)
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Epic NPC man
Sanctus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
And its gonna be fucking sick!
You approach the only tavern in a small hamlet, the rain obscures the rest of the structures. The door creeps open as the hinges scream. But, as the door parts the scenery inside is of an alien nature. Villagers are in celebration, and the warmth of the tavern stands in juxtaposition to the howling cold outside.
Unfortunately, you don’t have time for festivities. You approach the tavern keeper, and present your query; “I’ve come from afar, my bounty is a women with a scabbard as red as blood, and hair as white as the snow outside.” The tavern keeper nods, “I saw her here three days ago, she spoke of the North and of a tribe who owes her blood.” He lifts his lithe finger and points it to a husky man in the back of the tavern. “Ulfnir will guide you there. Speak to him in the morning.”
And then the next morning, completely unscripted, Ulfnir could take you to where you asked to go. I’ve seen demos of this tech, and while I added a lot of embellishments to my little story the demos actually had a player asl an npc the location of another and it said sure and took them there. Thats tight. Some people are afraid. I am excited. Give me an AI I can sit with and actually make games and I will make thousands of games a year.
MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The issue is that so far, AI is really just pattern emulation. I imagine it’s fine to flesh out cheap “Kill 10 boars” sidequests, but LLMs are not very good at original or meaningful stories and frequently break down into nonsense over long narratives. It’s more likely you’ll get the sort of simple self-made stories you see in procgen or rogue like games
Stovetop@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s going to have to be like Westworld, basically.
Quests and the NPCs involved in them will have curated stories written by humans, much like they are today. Generative AI, meanwhile, allows for improv. The player can tackle quest narratives with genuine freedom of choice, rather than just the predefined choose-your-own-adventure options that limit player choice today. And the generative AI would allow the NPCs who are part of the narrative to make freeform decisions/dialogs/outcomes meant to push players back on the right track.
Should the player fail to complete the narrative, the AI would also at least be able to improv a more satisfying exit point and outcome than “Whoops, I killed the wrong NPC, looks like I failed the quest.”
Sanctus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The process would be more like prototyping. I’d have the AI cook up cheap and fast systems one at a time, step by step as I review them until an MVP is revealed that I can show or tweak. Obviously not full blown BG3 RPGs. But I bet within 10 years I could make some sweet Mario Party clones easily or something of thay caliber. I’ve talked to my dev lads about it. If it were possible to prototype that way we would do it.
randon31415@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Sanctus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Ho ho oh shit! Thank you for sharing this. I am going to try and force it to act within my Ooo 1000+ setting lol
jmp242@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
This might be the first time that a computer game (well “sort of single player”) actually can come close to a pen and paper RPG experience.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’d like to make an OpenGM, that we can all contribute quests, campaigns, anything table top related to it with tags for the system and it can GM for people. With a big enough bag it wouldn’t matter too much that it sucks ass at creating. It would be a great tool for people to get started with ttrpgs.
Mango@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I was an adventure like you.
billwashere@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Nope, Amazon.
Snapz@lemmy.world 10 months ago
There is no hope for the CURRENT future of entertainment. Maybe everything changes fundamentally, but it probably doesn’t and that just means…
“Ha ha, such a great round, can’t believe you killed all those chickens! Man, I could really use a subscription to hello fresh, don’t you think, Sam… Kill that green chicken over there to subscribe, RANDOM!?” [NPC FLOSSING INDEFINITELY]
huginn@feddit.it 10 months ago
Friendly reminder that your predictive text, while very compelling, is not alive.
It’s not a mind.
Poggervania@kbin.social 10 months ago
Cyberpunk 2077 sorta explores this a bit.
There’s a vending machine that has a personality and talks to people walking by it. The quest chain basically has you and the vending machine chatting a bit and even giving the vending machine some advice on a person he has a crush on. You eventually become friends with this vending machine.
When it seems like it’s becoming more apparent it’s an AI and is developing sentience, it turns out the vending machine just has a really well-coded socializing program. He even admits as much when he’s about to be deactivated.
So, to reiterate what you said: predictive text and LLMs are not alive nor a mind.
dlpkl@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Brandon 🥲
billwashere@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Which is why the Turing Test needs to be updated. These text models are getting really good at fooling people.
CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Prove to me you have a mind and I’ll accept what you’re saying.
penguin@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Well no one can prove they have a mind to anyone other than themselves.
And to extend that, there’s obviously a way for electrical information processing to give rise to consciousness. And no one knows how that could be possible.
Meaning something like a true, alien AI would probably conclude that we are not conscious and instead are just very intelligent meat computers.
So, while there’s no reason to believe that current AI models could result in consciousness, no one can prove the opposite either.
I think the argument currently boils down to, “we understand how AI models work, but we don’t understand how our minds work. Therefore, ???, and so no consciousness for AI”
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I can prove to you ChatGPT doesn’t have a mind. Just open up the Sunday Times Cryptic Crossword and ask ChatGPT to solve and explain the clues.
huginn@feddit.it 10 months ago
Well there are 2 options:
Either I’m a real mind separate and independent of you or I’m a figment of your imagination.
At which point you have to ask yourself: why are you so convinced you’re an unlovable and insufferable twat?
MxM111@kbin.social 10 months ago
While it is not alive, whether it is a mind is not a clear cut. It can be called kind of a mind, a mind different of that of human.
match@pawb.social 10 months ago
What can’t be a kind of mind to you?
huginn@feddit.it 10 months ago
Unless you want to call your predictive text on your keyboard a mind you really can’t call an LLM a mind. It is nothing more than a linear progression from that. Mathematically proven to not show any form of emergent behavior.
Corgana@startrek.website 10 months ago
Sorry you’re getting downvoted, you’re correct. It’s not implausible to assume that generative AI systems may have some kind of umwelt, but it is highly implausible to expect that it would be anything resembling that of a human (or animal). I think people are getting hung up on it because they’re assuming a lack of understanding language implies a lack of any concious experience. Humans do lots of things without understanding how they might be understood by others.
To be clear, I don’t think these systems have experience, but it’s impossible to rule out until an actual robust theory of mind comes around.
Bluehat@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
Suppose you grew a small collection of brain cells and tied it into a CPU, would it be a mind then?
Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If you cut out a tiny bit of someone’s brain and then hooked it up to a cpu, would it be a mind? No, of course not, lol. Even if we got Biocomputers to work, we still wouldn’t have any synthetic hardware even close to being strong or fast enough to actually create or even simulate a brain.