I have my problems with Meta, but I’m hoping this will help Mastodon grow
Seriously, how does that dude manage to look so inhuman? He looks like someone pretending to be human and trying really hard, but missing that one last bit.
Threads is making moves for Mastodon integration
Submitted 11 months ago by nolannice@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
https://www.threads.net/@zuck/post/C0zXcQmxO77/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
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rikudou@lemmings.world 11 months ago
iopq@lemmy.world 11 months ago
rikudou@lemmings.world 11 months ago
That one’s a classic.
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The trick is to always be faking empathy.
dan1101@lemm.ee 11 months ago
And I would assume he chose that picture too. It’s not as bad at full size, at least he has some color to his skin and doesn’t look like an alien methhead as much.
sour@kbin.social 11 months ago
is requirement to be billionaire
avater@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Nope. Please fuck off, thank you.
Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 11 months ago
already defederated
DoomBot5@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So the hate for this is now gone and replaced with praise? What happened to all the posts about how this is an attack on TNT frediverse when Meta first announced this integration?
GONADS125@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My stance is still a hard fuck no to Threads entering the fediverse.
neshura@bookwormstory.social 11 months ago
The way I see it have them show through actions that they won’t EEE for a good few years with whoever is willing to risk it. If they don’t show any signs of EEE then, I might reconsider my stance on federation with them. Until then I’ll keep threads.net on the blocked list of my instance.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Oh there’s hate, there are a lot of unreasonably, pro-threads upvotes and comments making the rounds.
Deceptichum@kbin.social 11 months ago
Wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out 99% of them were written by ChatGPT or whatever FBs equivalent is.
Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Is it really so bad that people (or rather instances) are allowed to choose who to federate with? Currently instances with spam and other unwanted commenters get constantly defederated with. Threads will just be another one of them, while some people are happy to get more content. Or am I missing something?
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
That’s OP’s opinion and some users here, but I don’t praise it and I don’t think it will be good for fediverse in the future. People will start using Threads app since they can interact with other fediverse instance. And there will be more drama and more toxic content just like on fb, twitter, tiktok and ig.
Masimatutu@mander.xyz 11 months ago
I will consider to stop using lemmy…
You World peeps keep forgetting that other instances exist. Threads is one of the only two domains that my instance blocks. In fact, .world is in the minority by federating Threads: for example the second largest instance, lemm.ee, and the original instance, lemmy.ml, have both blocked Threads.
Also, considering how little Mastodon users interact with Lemmy, even you guys will see close to nothing of them.
jacktherippah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Threads is making its first moves to EEE the Fediverse.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Someone did a breakdown here, I still think it’s a great idea to defed from them immediately.
Devorlon@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Reading the article, they collect the data necessary to federate with an instance. If you or I were to run our own instance we would have access to the same data.
If they were to do anything with that data that they don’t have permission to do, like selling it. They would be in breach of the GDPR and fined 4% of their global annual income, and as we’ve seen with Apple, it’s not profitable to have two wildly separate versions of your product.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
But again, Meta is first and foremost an advertising and data harvesting company, and many people aren’t happy at the idea of being subjected to this treatment from the vantage point of their own servers.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Fuck off. Defederate these guys.
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And just remember that a substantial amount of Lemmy users want this, because they are too blind, childish and immature to see the very real negative consequences such a move will have.
But they only care because they’re either bots or hopelessly stupid simps.
sour@kbin.social 11 months ago
why is support facebook after leavings reddit
spudwart@spudwart.com 11 months ago
Good news: This will result in more average-user understanding of the fediverse, getting past the consistent issue of people not understanding it. It will increase the Fediverse’s usershare by a considerable amount. And to top it all off, it will probably cause a snowball which will make the Fediverse as a whole eclipse twitter.
Bad news: This is being done by facebook, willingly. Any company that is taking action like this is doing so for their own benefit and no one elses. This may be detrimental to the Fediverse in the long run if users opt to all just jump on to Threads because of some obnoxious ‘Embrace, Extend, Extinguish’ tactic they may or may not pull in the future.
sour@kbin.social 11 months ago
do you want mainstream
Adanisi@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Do you want threads to become dominant by several orders of magnitude? Do you understand the implications of such centralisation on the Fediverse?
roofuskit@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They will be able to dictate how mastodon works of they become larger than the rest of the instances. Their stake in the network will make them more powerful than all the other instances combined.
topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They will be able to dictate how mastodon works
How they will do that ? How are they going to dictate the programmers of Mastodon/Lemmy ?
daBeans@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
There’s a concept called Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (seemingly coined, in that form, in a Microsoft antitrust lawsuit). Here’s the Wikipedia page on it: …wikipedia.org/…/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
As I understand, people argue that Facebook/Meta, via Threads, will use this strategy in the long-term to either kill, or make effecitvely obsolete, the open technology behind Mastodon, and the greater “fediverse” projects. If not that, then they could easily make the federation part of Threads buggy & unreliable, souring their users’ opionions on the “fediverse”.
They don’t need to control anyone; they only need to host a majority of the userbase (by being the most popular federated site). And they’re not starting from a user count of 1 or 10, unlike a lot of Mastodon sites.
Obviously, Mastodon & Lemmy, and the sites that run them, can keep chugging along just fine, but it’s argued that if Meta makes their federation implementation sub-par, it’ll hurt the user-base growth of sites that use these projects (as people will see begin to see it as unreliable or what-not).
Is it as doom and gloom as people make it seem? Idk, I haven’t had time to care.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Mastodon wearing the face of activitypub and fediverse really leads everyone to think it’s only mastodon. Replace mastodon with activitypub, because there’s lots of projects that are actually innovating instead of Mastodons (x)shitter cloning.
Asafum@feddit.nl 11 months ago
So seeing as the name is still threads does that mean he won the lawsuit to change the name as someone else already had that name for their product/company?
Like rules only exist if you’re not a billionaire I guess…
Asudox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I dislike how the comment section is full of people hating on Mastodon people
Not_mikey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To all the people wondering about metas intentions in this it’s not the big bad corporation taking down the upstart competition. All the people saying it’s EEE can’t show any sign metas doing this or even wants to because the strategy doesn’t work, any time a company does it it either doesn’t take off or they get brought up on anti-trust laws. Show me a standard that was destroyed by EEE and I’ll show you a standard that never took off in the first place. All the usual examples given, email, java, html, remain open standards to this day.
The truth is the fediverse isn’t competition to meta, it’s a fraction of the size and is populated by users who would never use meta services in the first place. They can pretend it’s a competitor though. If twitter does actually collapse and people switch to threads meta will face anti-trust suits for owning the three largest social media platforms. If they add activity pub support though they can point to the fediverse and say it’s competition, even if it’s only 1 % of the platform. They also have to deal with EU interoperability laws that might start getting enforced.
TL;DR this is about compliance for meta, not conquest.
sudneo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Email an open standard? Sure, on the surface it is. Running your own mail server and getting your emails delivered to gmail/outlook users? Good luck.
Who cares what the form is, if the substance is the problem?
Same with web. To this day, nobody besides google has the possibility to compete in the browser space. So much shit was added to the web standards, that you need an incredible amount of resources to produce a modern browser engine (I am talking one that users can use for their daily stuff, not lynx). You have chrome, you have all the chromium clones, you have Firefox which is anyway paid by google, and you have safari. Period.
neshura@bookwormstory.social 11 months ago
Can confirm, my mail server does just about everything I found it needs to do to not get flagged spam. And it doesn’t except for Gmail. Not even Microsoft has “Spam” filters that strict beyond checking the basic records.
On the browsers, I think in large parts Google should have never been allowed to push for their own Browser in their own products simply because the have monopolies in so many of them. Free market this and that, IRL it doesn’t work without some regulations and imo (American) Tech companies have been allowed too much freedom to abuse the market whichever way they like.
EveningNewbs@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Show me a standard that was destroyed by EEE and I’ll show you a standard that never took off in the first place.
XMPP says hi.
Not_mikey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The platform never really took off. It was a niche messaging platform before Facebook and Google and went back to being one after they left. I have yet to see any evidence that Google or Facebook helped or hurt xmpp, just speculation and anger that it didn’t take off.
TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I will delete my account.
Zak@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You will delete your account if… what, exactly?
If Meta can read things you post to Lemmy? They already can if they’re so inclined; it’s all indexable by anybody with a web crawler bot; robots.txt on lemmy.world doesn’t even discourage it. If people can post to your favorite Lemmy communities from Threads? Don’t expect many people to do that - there’s enough UX mismatch it’s an awkward experience from any microblogging software.
TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If meta has any part of the fediverse. I don’t need another Facebook. Having profits be the priority will bring down the fediverse.
mojo@lemm.ee 11 months ago
On what lol
TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Probably both Lemmy and Mastodon, if they are a part of the fediverse it spells trouble all around.
ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sucks face on the article actually scared me when I first saw it.
exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Would it be possible for the mastodon software to detect if users are connecting via threads and replace all images in posts with a different image - one that says e.g. telling people that Zuckerberg doesn’t care about raising tennage suicide rates through Instagram or something similar.
BaldProphet@kbin.social 11 months ago
I don't want my software pushing propaganda on me. Thanks but no thanks.
PandaPikachu@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Judging by the comments on that post, they’re just trying to run away from all the porn bots.
projectmoon@lemm.ee 11 months ago
So is there a way to follow someone on Threads now? Or at least get one’s instance to load a post? Where are the details of this beyond Zuckerberg’s post?
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Depends on your Mastodon instance and if it defederated with Threads or not
Try pasting the username of a threads user into the search
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 11 months ago
That’s great news
sour@kbin.social 11 months ago
noooooooooooooooooooooooon
mundane@feddit.nu 11 months ago
Do we really want Facebook users just for the growth? Quality beats quantity.
Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
The good thing about the fediverse is that instances can choose with whom they want to federate.
In my opinion, there should always be choice and people with terrible opinions should be allowed to express them – just like others should be allowed to laugh, ignore and block them. Whether we like it or not, the fediverse includes everything from left-wing to right-wing extremists. But we can choose an instance which excludes all those unwanted posts, just like we’ll be able to block surveillance corporate instances. The actual highly illegal and inexcusable instances will get taken down by authorities, just like any other webservice.
sour@kbin.social 11 months ago
bigotry isn't only difference of opinion
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Give them a taste and then defederate…
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I do. I love my following on Threads but I hate how fragmented social media has become post Twitter. It’ll be nice to follow everyone on one account - mainstream and otherwise.
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
It should be possible someday
I’d love to skip into the future when all the activitypub stuff is set up nicely. Can’t wait
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Ultimately I think I’ll end up running two accounts
I respect if my Mastodon instance decides to defederate because of a legitimate threat from Facebook, given the company’s consistently awful history.
There will also be some good people worth following who want to use FB’s Threads for whatever reason. If I need to, I can use some special frontend or web browser version to read the content.
So whether we stay federated or not, at the end of the day it’ll be ok as far as being able to see things from the people I care about.
I’ll still try to bring as many people over to the real Fediverse though.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
It’s Threads, not Facebook.
And I won’t speak for anyone else, but yes, I want as many people on the fedi as possible.
In an ideal world I never have to log into Facebook, Twitter, IG, Threads or any of that proprietary nonsense to figure out what’s going on.
TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It won’t be just people, it will be bots mostly.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
meta??? more like FACEBOOL (i didn’t mean Facebook)