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I’d take diesel train infrastructure over electric cars any day
Or… Electric trains? Perhaps?
(And the good ones with overhead lines not the shitty battery ones)
Diesel can keep going when there is a power outage even if it is just enough to get people to safety.
thats not what I mean. Of course they would best but either option is better than EVs. Diesel trains are cheaper tho
Both would be good.
Not through cities. We need clean running options in sensory populated areas
Thats not my point, my point is that dirty running trains are better than clean running cars.
Yeah… Really want to bring that down staggeringly?
STOP DRIVNG A GODDAMN CAR FOR SUB 5 MILE TRIPS AND START USING BIKES, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR LONGER TRIPS, AND YOUR LEGS FOR, YOU KNOW, TEO BLOCKS.
While at it, all the American continent should start redesigning their cities. Everything is designed for cars only, it’s all unsustainable.
While at it, all the American continent should start redesigning their cities. Everything is designed for cars only, it’s all unsustainable.
This, ban stroads, end climate change. Force companies to solve the housing issues and mandate de-gentrification. Bam, we all have a future, we can afford homes, WFH becomes truly optional and RTO policies don’t ruin livelihoods. It would be the next thing down from curing cancer, ending world hunger, and truly being the E in DEI for all.
Force companies to solve the housing issues and mandate de-gentrification.
These two things are opposites?
The downvotes are from the conservative astroturfers that have been busy making Lemmy into more of a shithole like Reddit.
Also people who have places to go, things to carry or don’t live in places friendly to bikes. Maybe even people who think writing things in all caps is lazy. Not everything is caused by the conservative boogieman. Both nuance and effective communication are important.
but also factor in what it takes to charge those batteries because that is fossil fuel somewhere down the line.
You’re soooo behind the schedule. That was the anti-EV talking point 5 years ago. You were supposed to move to ‘but did they factor in the battery production??’ (which they do) and now use one of ‘but is the grid ready for so many EV?’ or ‘there are no EVs below $30.000’!!. You’re welcome.
No, even those are the old talking points! Now it’s “EVs have batteries that are very heavy, so they generate lots of tire particulates, which is way worse than the tailpipe emissions of ICE cars, which somehow magically don’t also have tires or something, and aren’t also getting heavier every year.”
They did.
Naturally, less oil being burnt means less CO2 emissions. BNEF estimates that electric vehicles currently prevent 112 million metric tons of CO2 emissions per year. And this is net emissions reductions, also taking into account the emissions from extra electricity generation.
oh nice
Cant believe you are the one being downvoted this hard. As someone who worked in the renewable energy research institute, each time people equal ev to ‘clean’ automatically I get crazy. The article especially mentioned china, who has a significant portion of electricty generated by coal. Even its by oil, it would produce more co2 for energy loss in conversion. The article has no merit with such flawed comparison
How the fuck do you people think these electric vehicles are powered?
Depends where you are. In the US as a whole (so this varies heavily state-to-state), about 60% fossil fuels
In France, about 6% fossil fuels.
And it looks like even if the car is charged partly by fossil fuels the power generation for an electric car is cleaner than running a gas car in 95% of the world.
I appreciate you coming with the numbers.
I would have to dig to find it, but I remember reading years ago in a Car and Driver article that EV’s powered by even the dirtiest coal power plants will still return around 30 MPGe, which is better than most vehicles on the road today.
Granted that article was from before the Hummer EV, so I’m sure that number will have changed somewhat.
i would love for the United States to build more nuclear power plants and get this percentage down!
I dont understand. What is your point? Is it that having an extra 1.8 million barrels burned is good? Is it that Power Plant + ICE cars is cleaner than Power Plant - ICE cars? Hiw is it that you people keep getting hopping mad every time progress is made? What do you gain? Why do your feefees get hurt? What is the big “gotcha” that you keep trying to make?
Don’t bother. Reading, logic and facts are not their strong point.
As you’ve seen they just lie and say something back which you clearly didn’t mean and continue to live in the ignorance bubble they have created for themselves.
It does no good to try to explain anyway. When you explain that mining all the shit that goes into making the batteries for these cars, it completely offsets whatever exaggerated gain they make. Not only that, but the incredible human cost as well. But you just go ahead and feel good about yourself and your shitty “green” cars.
Electricity usually.
In all seriousness, even if the electricity comes from burning fossil fuels, that’s still preferable to burning them locally via internal combustion in a car’s engine.
The pollution is one place, so is easier to manage/capture and a power plant is much more efficient than your car can hope to be, actually reducing overall usage and pollution for the same energy output.
oh so pollution is ok as long as it’s not in your backyard and happening in a confined locale… got it.
Magic 🧝♂️
That’s the way most people look at it.
That’s a drop in the ocean compared to the total oil produced every single day.
Actually, in 2022 there were 94m barrels produced globally. So this is 2%. Statistically, not insignificant. Hopefully it’ll continue to grow rapidly.
is less oil dug up and burned?
Why did feel a need to poohpooh electric cars for such a weird reason?
if there is no difference in the actual oil extraction and burning, then it does no good.
A little less yeah, considering that there has been an increase in renewables for grid power, also it’s much more efficient burn oil/natgas/etc. in a big powerplant than in an ICE car, so less is needed overall.
So yes. It does help. But electric trains are still better lol And we need more renewable grid power
less is needed overall.
So yes. It does help
this is what i’m dubious about. just because less is burned in, say, passenger vehicles does not mean any less is produced or burned in some other industry. this article actually says that we made more oil this year than last.
This is bullshit where is the proof also the electric batteries are mined by.kids in.the cpngo
I assume you’re talking about Colbalt mining?
Zero colbalt in a modern LFP battery which some cars are now using. Other battery chemistries do still use it, such as the device you used to type out your comment.
Colbalt is also used in the production of gasoline. And when it’s used, it’s used: more is required to refine more fuel. Whereas the colbalt in a battery remains useful again and again every time you recharge a battery.
So if you want to be mad about it, remember to be mad at your own usage as well.
WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Let’s be straight about this: It ain’t electric cars. Its e-bikes
Metype@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ll take a bike over a car any day, but for people who were going to drive? An electric vehicle will save oil usage over an ICE one.
reddig33@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This article says there are 2 million electric cars on the road in the US.
At 20 gallons of gas per month x 12 months x 2 million, that’s…
480 million gallons of gas saved.
That’s just the US.
sensiblemotive.com/electric-car-statistics/
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
My Bolt EUV uses automatic transmission fluid in the transfer case to reduce the RPMs of the motor to the wheels. Traditionally ATF is refined from crude, but you can use a synthetic replacement. As far as I know it doesn’t have any grease fittings either, so it’s all sealed in on bearings and the like. Don’t get me wrong though, it’s a massive reduction in petroleum usage though.
Pretzilla@lemmy.world 11 months ago
31.5 gallons in a barrel so your math shows 15Mbbl saved
Article says 1.8Mbbl
I’m missing the discrepancy
Gregorech@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Who only uses 20 gallons a month?
jennwiththesea@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well, it’s both. From the article, 2-3 wheelers do account for 60% of the drop: Image
aeharding@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh this is so fucking typical. “EV” or electric vehicles never means e-bikes when it would benefit e-bikes (for example, EV subsidies = electric car subsidies) but when it conveniently makes electric cars look better, oh look an e-bike is an EV! 😒
poopkins@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Strange that the parent comment is downvoted for highlighting the fact that electric bikes (and scooters & trikes) continue to make more of an impact.
For me personally, since I got my electric bike 2 years ago, I use it at least 90% of the time to commute to work (unless the weather is too miserable).
reddig33@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This article says 1 million electric cars were sold in just 2023.
apnews.com/…/automakers-electric-vehicles-us-chin…
shalafi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’d love one! By fuck me, I clicked a Lemmy link earlier and it was $7,000 USD. Did you want gears with that? Another $1,300.
All for a bike that won’t hit 40mph, which is hella dangerous on the open road. Couldn’t move out of danger fast enough. Had a 150cc scooter, never again, 250cc or bust.
But still, a gas scooter burns so little gas, I’d forget to look at the tank, had no idea what gas cost at the time.
cooopsspace@infosec.pub 11 months ago
You should be demanding dedicated and separated bike infrastructure
art@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s like claiming cars are too expensive because you can’t afford a Tesla.
I bought a wonderful ebike from REI for $1,300. You don’t need to buy the fancy luxury models.
bassomitron@lemmy.world 11 months ago
$7k for an ebike? There are tons of good options for <$2000. Hell, you can get budget models on Amazon for around $300.
And most cities have bike lanes on city streets for a reason. However, if you need to commute to work that requires you traversing a highway, then yeah, ebikes are definitely not the solution for you.
Pofski@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You want an ebike that hits 40mph?
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I just bought an E-bike with 40+ mile range for $275. 750W motor and 15Ah 48v battery bike with 7 gears, lights, an LCD, a cargo rack, and fat tires.
It was a good sale
frezik@midwest.social 11 months ago
I converted a bike I bought off Craigslist for $200 plus an $850 Bafang kit off AliExpress. Didn’t have any experience with bike maintenance beforehand, but did have access to a makerspace with a full bike bench (there’s some specialized tools for pulling things out). Didn’t have it completely working before winter hit–works as a bike, but the motor assist isn’t kicking in for some reason–but I still think it’s an option most people could pull off.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That’s nuts, I thought 2k for USA made ebikes was crazy.
Gregorech@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Still a vehicle in a pure sense.
ExLisper@linux.community 11 months ago
I go to work 50/50 by electric car or analog bike. Most of those barrels saved it’s me
jumpinjesus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah which is always weird. How many of those people weren’t just riding normal bikes before vs downsizing from a car. I’m on my 3rd EV and would love to bike if it were an option where I live, but if I went with a bike, I’d just be replacing another EV.
astropenguin5@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Assuming you could feasibly bike, it would probably still be environmentally better to use the bike, mostly because it is more energy efficient at moving a single human places because it doesn’t have to move a whole car frame, and in most places a fair amount of power is still from fossil fuels, so less would be needed. Also the other benefits of biking.