This is one of the ways that I know none of the religions claiming to be the "truth" are true.
99.99% of religion is based on who your parents are and where you were born, not what is actually true.
We're all just in Stockholm Syndrome to whatever culture we were born into.
Submitted 11 months ago by scarabic@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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ripcord@kbin.social 11 months ago
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ve always been stifled by people getting born into one of religions and suddenly thinking it is the true one.
Like, how likely it is for you to be born straight into the correct religion when the world is full or heresy?
How do you differ for all those believing, with same dedication, in something else?
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Not in my case, I think. Very stereotypical conservative, religious parents. Have rejected many of their bigoted values, kept the work ethic, tried to carry empathy to it’s logical conclusion rather than stopping when they thought it was hard. I’ve changed religions. I think my country’s military policy is abhorrent.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“But not me!”
—everyone
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You wrote “all”. Seems a lot of people disagree with “all”.
ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That’s exactly what a person with Stockholm syndrome would say!.. /s
z00s@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But how do you feel about universal healthcare?
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That it’s a wonderful thing and to let people suffer because of profit is evil.
Candelestine@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I mean, yea. The whole idea is that you want to survive in whatever environment you were born into, whether that’s North Sentinel Island or the Siberian taiga or downtown Mexico City. So, the homo sapiens operating system is pretty flexible, you can put whatever you want on it. This food, that food, this music, that music, it’s all subjective. You just calibrated to your environment.
Started in the womb, your moms amniotic fluid can change flavors depending on what mom ate, which has some influence on a baby’s preferences.
The fact that our environments vary so much, and there’s a lot of rng in general, gives us a lot of the diversity we’re so fond of. None of it stays static either, it’s all flowing and changing over time, so, the flexible operating system really is necessary. No fucking clue what a baby is gonna be asked to do in 30 years, might be anything from a soldier to a doctor. Well, doctor might take a few more years…
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Exactly. We all adapt to what’s around us. Which, for me, explains how prisoners can eventually come to help their kidnappers. People consider Stockholm Syndrome incredibly strange, unexplainable. But it’s the basic thing we are built to do.
BananaPeal@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Pssh, not me. I was born into a homophobic redneck culture and I hated it. I now consider myself an LGBTQ+ ally and computer nerd.
tiredofsametab@kbin.social 11 months ago
Same. I grew up in rural Ohio (USA) going to churches talking about the "synagogues of satan", people at school saying "that's Jewish" for something lame, lots of words I won't repeat here about a number of ethnic and sexual minorities, etc.
It all basically never sat well with me. I moved out when my mom remarried which was a bit before my senior year of high school. Bigger city, bigger school, more diversity, etc. quickly proved what I had long felt: humans are humans and neither their religion nor ethnicity nor gender identity changed that. This would have been in the late '90s.
I now live on the other side of the world from that place (Japan, of course, having its own issues with things like gender and racism, but that's (a) mostly the older generations and (b) a story for another time). Before I quit facebook years ago, I did catch up with a couple of people. Most of them did not change, but many of the bad ones got worse (this would have been around 2016) and emboldened by far-right groups growing in popularity. Living as a minority in another country also taught me a lot of about privilege and accidental racism.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Was there a pivot point where you stopped just accepting what was around you and started resisting it?
One of the reasons this is such an insidious effect is that children just don’t have the critical capacity to step outside their home culture and even see it for what it is, let alone meaningful push back against their parents and other people in their lives. By the time this capacity develops, a lot of indoctrination has been done.
Zippy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So you agree with it but escaped it?
Then again maybe you are subject to some other form of Stockholm syndrome?
BananaPeal@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I said not me, as in I’m not Stockholm Syndrome of the culture I was born into.
Poggervania@kbin.social 11 months ago
It’s even more fucky when you start to consider if the ideals, values, and beliefs you hold are actually ones you yourself have determined, or if you’ve just chosen those because it’s been passed onto you either by culture, society, or your environment.
BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 11 months ago
Take the old adage “treat others how you would want to be treated” - is that something you believe because you’ve just been told that for so long? Or is that something you intrinsically believe in regardless of what others have said?
For what it's worth, this is essentially the "tit-for-tat" strategy from game theory, and you can rigorously prove it to be a superior cooperative strategy in many situations. Essentially, cooperation with others enables greater community success than everyone going alone, but trusting others always exposes you to selfish people that will take advantage of you. The optimal strategy is to cooperate by default, but if someone reveals themselves to be untrustworthy, stop cooperating and ideally work with others to punish them.
You actually see this bear out in nature in other animals as well. Vampire bats will share blood with other vampire bats that didn't successfully feed, but they also keep track of individual contributions, and if they identify that a bat is freeloading, they'll stop feeding it. By default, they cooperate to help each other, but if a selfish actor is identified, they stop helping it.
In the abstract, so long as most actors aren't selfish and the cost of being betrayed isn't too high, tit-for-tat is the optimal strategy.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s a good sign that it keeps you up. Few people ever think about this stuff.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Even if you chose them, did you simply chose from the presented options?
Damage@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Some things just make sense, and some truth can be found with just honest debate.
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Basically what I think about gun support. It’s statistically awful to be around guns or be around those with guns. But we still have them and some of us fight for them because they feel safer when they’re really, really not.
BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 11 months ago
You sound white and privileged; try being a minority in a place where cops are racist/sexist and crime is high and see how fast you will change your mind.
squaresinger@feddit.de 11 months ago
Do you think pulling a gun against a cop will help you get home safely?
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You sound white and privileged and trying to shove pro-gun arguments into the mouths of minorities because you think that’s some kind of uno-reverse card to liberals.
stevecole90099@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The asshat is clearly privileged, but don’t stoop to racism like them. Be the change you want in the world. The right to bear arms and defend yourself from criminals and tyranny alike is a right that every American should practice and cherish no matter what they look like. One day, we’ll get that dream even if we have to deal with a few nightmares first.
stevecole90099@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Guns aren’t safe. They aren’t supposed to be safe, or at least they aren’t supposed to be any safer than any other tool. They are a tool that is very specifically designed to grant their user an increased ability to injure a target with ease from a safe distance. This ability grants the user an increased ability to hunt, to defend themselves, to defend their property and family, and yes to harm or kill other people and predators.
A hammer, a knife, a blunt object, and a car can all provide these same abilities with differing efficiency, but we still have them, too, even though they aren’t necessary. You don’t need to drive. Walk or take a bus. You don’t need a hammer to drive nails. Use a rock instead. Although there is a famous story about a guy named Cain, that makes a strong argument for getting rid of rocks, too. No one needs a baseball bat. Those are only used for recreation, so it should be easy to get rid of those dangerous weapons, right? I’m sure we can get rid of those dangerous knives, too. Our ancestors didn’t need them to survive, so I’m sure we can do without them to make the world a safer place.
This is why we have a rule that none of these things can be used for that thing about killing other people under threat of harm or death unless it was done under pretty specific circumstances.
You are statistically safer around a gun than you are around a ladder, but I’m guessing ladders aren’t on your list of things to rid the world of for some reason.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 months ago
I like how you ignore the fact you're statistically less safe if you own a gun.
No need to change the subject to ladders.
The point is whatever perceived safety you get from your human killing device is negated by having the device itself.
Maddie@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
You guys are getting a culture?
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No.
Signed, a serial immigrant
SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Ah, you are a person of culture(s) as well, I see
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 months ago
i like the water-puddle analogy.
were just water filling whatever sized and shaped hole in which we are dumped.
Becausewhynot@lemmy.myserv.one 11 months ago
I say! I’m filling out this dumpster quite nicely.
LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Same has been said regarding the way we feel towards parents. I dunno tho. I think I Kindly disagree with both sentiments.
EatYouWell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, that’s not what Stockholm Syndrome is.
BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 11 months ago
Correct. Also, fun fact: the actual origin of Stockholm Syndrome was due to the fact that the hostages were afraid of police incompetence and sided with the terrorists from fear of being killed by over aggressive poorly trained police. Source
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
They also successfully worked to negotiate with the hostage takers when the police didn’t.
After they negotiated their own release they criticised the police in the media, and the police realised that since the hostage leading all of this was a woman, they could just employ a standard abuser’s tactic and call her crazy. Apparently it worked.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I was thinking about a character in a TV show. He’s a Christian monk who is captured by Viki g raiders and kept as a slave. He’s still quite young though and though he has no freedom, he isn’t whipped and treated like an animal, just a low status person. Eventually he starts wanting to win greater status, and asks to join the Viking fighting force. This seems like Stockholm Syndrome to me.
But is it really that different from waking up as a child in a certain culture and over time absorbing it says and the desire to grow your status in that society? How many people absorb their home culture’s ways because they think about them and deem them best? It’s a process of absorption.
So yes, while there’s always a little sass and irony in showerthoughts, I think there’s a connection here with pondering. You didn’t elaborate on your “yeah no” comment at all. Perhaps now you will?
EatYouWell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes, siding with your captors is different from being raised in a culture.
TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Yay Vikings is a great show
Globulart@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is the last samurai a story about Stockholm syndrome too?
What about dances with wolves? Avatar?