Lots of companies have been saying they have solid state EV batteries for years, yet you still can’t buy one. Either they can’t figure out how to mass produce them cost effectively or there is some sort of problem with the battery.
New Battery Crushes Tesla's Tech, Unveils A Solid-State Marvel With 300% Higher Energy Density, 15-minute Ultra-Fast Charge
Submitted 1 year ago by GiddyGap@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/battery-crushes-teslas-tech-unveils-160816090.html
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cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I think toyota actually plans on getting there in the next few years. I think the current and final hurdle; which I’m guessing a couple different companies about have a complete handle on is the prevention of dendrites forming and causing the batteries to go bad from multiple charge cycles.
Toyota wouldn’t be blowing fluff about having the batteries a few years away from production if they weren’t confident about it happening. That’s reserved for saying something is 7 to 10 years away.
jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I think it’s more likely that Toyota dropped the ball on not investing in EVs early, so that they felt the need to announce they were working on some thing in hopes of staying relevant.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Toyota have announced several times already that they’re “this close” 🤏 or only a few years away from releasing their first solid state battery EV…I’ll believe it when I see it.
MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The same Toyota that declared that electric vehicles were a non-starter and that hydrogen vehicles were the future?
I think hydrogen will be in the future, but not for a while. Toyota is having to make lots of promises to make up for Kia and Hyundai eating their lunch.
not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Toyota doesn’t make batteries, they make press releases - the purpose of which is to dissuade you from buying a BEV, in case you find out how good they are.
Nollij@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Here’s why I don’t buy it- Toyota is still hyping hydrogen as the next gen fuel option. They barely have a BEV option, despite having a 15-year lead on electric drivetrains.
They’re betting hard that BEVs are a small market.
ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Why would any company sell batteries that need to be replaced less often? Companies are greedy as fuck and don’t care about consumers. It’s all about their bottom line. And if you’re not buying enough, often enough, than companies hate you.
AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 1 year ago
If you prevent them from collusion and price fixing through regulation competition wi.. ha lmfao I can't even pretend.
snooggums@kbin.social 1 year ago
For one, they could recoup the money they spent doing research by selling a bunch of new cars with the batteries.
Also, rechargeable batteries exist even though they also sell single use batteries.
bluGill@kbin.social 1 year ago
Competition, it will take time, but consumers will over the next 20 years figure it out and cars with better batteries will.be worth more.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 1 year ago
if someone had some new functional battery tech that lasted a decade, that person would be richer than all fuck. its all about volume, and youre forgetting just how tiny this planet has become with 8 billion humans on it.
you just dont understand scale at all
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll paye extra for a safer battery that lasts longer.
PinkPanther@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Tell me once it’s on the market. Been reading about better battery technology for years, and nothing happens.
r00ty@kbin.life 1 year ago
Yeah, I think I've lost track how many articles and youtube videos about amazing "solid state" batteries are just around the corner. But I've not seen one actually materialise.
I mean, it's great if true. But, I'm going to wait and see.
There's been a steady increase in lithium based technologies though. But I do wonder when and where the plateau there might be.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lithium Ion based batteries have a lot of room to grow still.
Everything out there in cars today can likely still double or triple over the next couple decades.
Everyone says they want a 1000 mile car but they really don’t need it. We’ll reach an optimal price/battery range in a car and begin reducing the amount of batteries with our current tech before we’re selling cars with the full potential a decade or two from now.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wake me up when they’re being mass produced at cost effective rates.
foobaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
subscribe 😴
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
And can dissipate heat efficiently in the same package size. The limitation to lipo/life/li-ion package density isn’t cell volume. It’s cell volume plus heat removal overhead. Making the cells smaller doesn’t actually change anything about the cooling overhead.
luthis@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Maybe we need to have a completely-bullshit-venture-capital-investor-bait-technology community.
Octavio@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yah and cold fusion is right around the corner.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Awesome I can use that to charge this new battery
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’ll want a Mr. Fusion for that.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
LMAO They are going to win!
They beat Tesla with their own weapons: empty promises!
/s
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So does this company actually HAVE a solid state battery or is this still all in concept?
Because we already know how amazing and good a solid state battery would be… When we finally get them. But the problem is actually getting them.
Unfortunately the article seems to be mostly talking about how good a solid state battery would be and not much at all on this startup actually having anything functional.
ExLisper@linux.community 1 year ago
Great, I guess I will just go to a store a buy one of those .
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ah yes more “crushing” tech… High density and fast charging… Always means it’s only good for like 100 charge cycles so it’s effectively useless in reality.
PupBiru@kbin.social 1 year ago
from what i understand, solid state batteries are legitimately about as revolutionary as lithium ion were because they are all of those things, and by their very nature they have a huge number of charge cycles
AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
QuantumScape has been expected to produce something for a long time now, it isn’t new, the article didn’t mention timelines or production.
They where supposed to go intro production mid this year / next
nextbigfuture.com/…/quantumscape-plans-1-gigawatt…
Till we see them rolling off the factory line it is just vapor .
radix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The Next Thing™ is always ~5 years away.
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Battery news have been so fake every time. I won’t believe any more battery tech news until I see an actual device or vehicle powered by one.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
We know solid-state batteries are good, we want someone to produce stable solid-state batteries cost-effectively.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yes, I’m going to base my investment on large scale technology on finance.yaoo.com, or better yet benzinga.com!! Especially after their exclusive on “Analyst Inside Look: Trends And Opportunities In Ohio’s Emerging Recreational Cannabis Sector”
But this battery CRUSHES it! That’s more than SLAMS!!!
BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 1 year ago
I keep reading batterie breakthroughs that change the world for decades now.
Jozav@lemmy.world [bot] 1 year ago
First of all, their claims are not new. They claim this for a long time already but have not shown a minimal viable product yet. During the time they spend money in research, Tesla batteries grew to 3 times the originals.
QuantumScape have only shown minuscule batteries, they need to scale up to car battery capacity. Only a car with their battery can prove their claims. Until that happens their stories are worth nothing.
Charging a 75kWh large car battery in 15 minutes requires a charger of at least 300.000W. Imagine a charging station for 5 cars would need a 1.5MW power station. That is impractical. Also the current flowing into the car would be enormously high, requiring huge cables. Also inside the battery pack, huge cooling systems are required.
More practical solutions are exchanging battery packs or battery fluid exchange (flow battery). In short time 100% recharge and virtually unlimited range if packs are slowly charged at exchange hubs. .
QuantumScape will water down their claims and eventually publish a more or less standard LiFePo battery if the investors are lucky.
foobaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Thanks for your insightful comment.
Regarding 300kW charging: I thought new EVs already charge with up to 180kW DC (?), so this would “only” be a doubling in performance?
OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Toyota said they are aiming for 2027 or 2028 with their solid state tech. I’m amped for when it comes but it’s not really fair to compare potential 5-years-out tech with present day tech.
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is there any proof ? I’ve seen a single article. Nothing if substance. QS has been saying for years it will beat Tesla. Last earnings meeting had nothing to show. Was burning cash and keeping of research. That’s wasn’t too long ago.
JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Tesla? Is that the company affiliated with Musk? That would be a hard pass for me.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
That article gave no reason for me to believe these claims. Also that website is horrible.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Fluff piece for getting funding from suckers.
pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Interesting the major backer is Volkswagen who announced last week their brand is no longer competitive…so now they’re trying to get more value out of this investment by junk pieces like this.
fluxion@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s solid instead of liquid broski. QED.