Arizona's solar-over-canal project will tackle its major drought issue

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• squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Arizona and the entire South West don’t have a drought problem. They have an aridification problem. While this canal project is a good move in general and we should have been doing it years ago, there is no solving the over-population of a desert. One look at Colorado River basin and its reservoirs is enough to know there is nothing we can do to fix it.

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  • BeautifulMind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    With any luck pretty soon they’ll look at alfalfa farming in the desert too

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    • ieightpi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why the fuck are humans so stupid that we decided to grow one of the thirstiest crops in the fucking desert.

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    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They already do.

      Also, all those new Intel wafer plants near Phoenix.

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  • Sludgehammer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah… but sometimes you’ve gotta accept that a band-aid is all you can do. While this doesn’t fix the underlying problems, if it works it’ll provide more water and low carbon energy, which is better than nothing.

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    • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      if it works it’ll provide more water

      Unfortunately they will just use even more then, so the “shortage” will be maintained.

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• PeleSpirit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s a really good idea

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    • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Hugin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s also a win win design. Shade from the panels reduces evaporation in the canals and the water helps cool the panels which improves their efficiency.

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    • LostAndSmelly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It would be cheaper and easier to maintain separate instaaleions of a lightweight cover for the aquaduct and solar panel installed on solid ground. You could use the same money to add square miles of panels.

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• Lophostemon@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I really hope this works. Also: banning water-intensive farming in dumb places might help.

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  • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It would definitely help because that is the main problem.

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  • praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What do you mean I can’t farm on a fucking desert? What kind of communist dunghole is this?

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• badbytes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Or we could put effort towards limitations of fossil fuels and fix it long term. Maybe both, but if we don’t do former, only duct tape.

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  • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Luckily this does both, to some extent. It’s not as far as we need, but solar offsets dirty energy usage.

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    • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t understand how it “offsets”. If someone pisses in the pool and I do it behind a tree, that somehow gets rid of piss molecules in the pool?

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    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Doesn’t Arizona get most of its energy from the giant nuclear power plant near Phoenix?

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    • Perkele@lemmy.whynotdrs.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My guess is that producing solar panels uses tons of fosil fuels. And they’re pretty much used up after 10-20 years and needs to be replaced and the old ones ends up in a landfill.

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• seaQueue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Water Knife here we come

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  • rustyriffs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Synopsys?

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    • seaQueue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Water scarcity causes societal collapse throughout the American Southwest. Well written book, interesting premise - just an all around enjoyable bit of fiction.

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  • Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good book :)

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• captainjaneway@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Open canal systems should be illegal. This is the dumbest shit we do. At least top 10 dumbest.

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  • Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As someone who knows nothing about canals (or what they are even used for), anyone want to explain why they are used, why they are dumb, and what we should do instead?

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    • seaQueue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Evaporation. You lose a phenomenal amount of water moving it by canal over large distances in an arid climate. Ideally you’d enclose the whole system to reduce loss, sticking a roof over the top helps and is less complicated.

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    • Shihali@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      An irrigation canal like this is a big ditch to move water from a river to near farm fields. Without the extra water taken from the river, there wouldn’t be enough water in the soil for crops to grow in the area.

      Being a big ditch open to the sky, the hot sun and dry air make a bunch of the irrigation water evaporate before it even gets to the field. So we went to all the effort of taking water out of the river just to waste it humidifying the nearby air.

      Why did we do it in the first place? Because it’s way easier and cheaper to dig a ditch than to lay a big pipe, and I don’t know if the US had any other water-delivery tech at the right scale when these were built.

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    • captainjaneway@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Imagine a canal which is 3 feet wide at the minimum. It contains a constant volume of water. This canal ultimately waters farm land. By way of example, California has the imperial valley which contains these canal systems. They feed desert farm land. The problem is these canals are often:

      • open
      • in a hot dry desert
      • cheap

      Water rights have perverted water usage. People take cheap water which was grandfathered in by old laws and agreements and they waste it to evaporation. If you think “well the water isn’t lost, just evaporated, right?” You’d be close, but slightly off the mark. The water is evaporated but it’s transported often hundreds or thousands of miles from its original source. We are basically bleeding rivers to feed a desert. And deserts might as well be an infinite sink for water.

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    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hundreds of miles of shallow canals in the middle of the desert, where regular exceeds 120° f. The water evaporates very quickly.

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• meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They should try this at those retaining ponds where they filled them with black balls.

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  • greybeard@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are several companies working on solar covers for reservoirs. I agree, seems like a win win. Reduce evaporation and have a large, level, “field” for solar arrays.

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• LostAndSmelly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This idea is so poorly conceived. Imagine installing and maintaining something like this. How are those panels supposed to stay clean?The panels and the cover should both be built but they should not be the same thing. No current panels are engineered for this application so they would have to be custom made. Just getting the project to the point where the first panel could be installed would cost millions. We could get started now installing commercially available shade covers and ground mounted solar. Ground mounted solar is simple to clean, simple to maintain, and simple to replace.

  I agree the idea looks like a great way to reclaim the space, reduce evaporation, and generate power I just think the money would be better spent on a plan the optimized for expenses and longevity instead of optimizing for novelty.

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  • Chocrates@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I guess I missed it but how are these panels any different than typical ground based PV panels? Looks like, based on the rendering, they they are on some kind of rigid scaffolding over the canal. Not sure how that is different from typical installs?

    For sure cleaning them is a problem, don’t have an answer to that. Hope that that is accounted for in the proposal.

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