Lemmy: while you are at it… could you unblock us? Every search for anything on lemmy results in Lemmy Kilmister.
‘Reddit can survive without search’: company reportedly threatens to block Google
Submitted 1 year ago by AnActOfCreation@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/20/23925504/reddit-deny-force-log-in-see-posts-ai-companies-deals
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randon31415@lemmy.world 1 year ago
rab@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
To be fair, lemmy is a metal god who deserves top result lol
dalingrin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Use “site:lemmy.world” or any other website, without the quotes.
Harpsist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can you image how impossible it will be to search reddit WITHOUT using search engines?
The reddit search functions a joke. Everything about it frustrates me.
After 7 years I still have no idea how to search my own inbox for posts that I know I have - but no idea when or where. If Google can’t help me find them - they might as well not exist.
If reddit wants to die so badly - this is the way to do it!
Ummm. What’s lemmy position on this? I havn’t looked to hard at sync for lemmy opinions (indeed, I only have a few dozen posts / inbox messages) but If it’s the same as it was for reddit. It’s also not great.
theneverfox@pawb.social 1 year ago
I really, really hope this happens.
At first I thought this was just a bluff… Then I remembered “right! It’s 2023! Our economic structures are imploding!”
But seriously, this would be great. At best, Google starts indexing cached versions and they get into a slugging match with Reddit as they both slide down the cliff, at worst Google and Reddit both become useless for all us technical folks, and after the immediate damage to knowledge, it’ll become fragmented and open the door to new players still at the “don’t be evil” phase of the inevitable path to “become an amoral orphan crushing machine”.
Stack overflow and Reddit suck… But not intrinsically.
Especially since generative AI can spin out the basics of a site like that, making it an easy and better structured place for general reference, and draw in the expert discussion that leads to building very specific knowledge bases (and definitely not scrape that info from existing sites and rephrase everything to obscure the fact it’s stolen info)
But the one thing we know for sure… Threatening Google to make a deal with all AI companies is “let’s make everyone mistrust Twitter until we reach a trust underflow and everyone trusts it as a one stop financial platform + paid advertising posing as microblogging social media” levels of “gradeschoolers could have told you that makes no sense”
Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
new players still at the “don’t be evil” phase of the inevitable path to “become an amoral orphan crushing machine”.Ann I think you mean how enshitification happens. Yes: there is an official, agreed-upon word for this exact thing that keeps happening
MathiasTCK@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Doctorow fan?
ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’m really hoping this market crash affects the housing market so I might finally be able to afford a down-payment for a house
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Reddit has been commodified and monetized too much at this point. It was a great platform for niche interests for so long, but all the good internet stuff is on forums and discord servers now. Twitter/X and Insta are even more productive content producers than reddit is. Reddit used to have this reputation for authenticity, but that gradually died out over the last 5-7 years and it’s now just another shitty “online community.” It still has activity but not much happens on reddit anymore, it’s just a site where people post links to other sites and comment on them. A lot of the negatives about reddit as a platform also apply to lemmy but at least it’s open source and nonprofit.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
All those Discord communities are gonna have a bad time once their investors start wanting some of that money back.
SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 1 year ago
Well the CCP are the biggest single investor with tencent owning over 40% of discord, which is why it has zero encryption or security, they are getting their money’s worth by now having access to shit loads of data to mine, manipulate and train ais with, and we have done jack shit to prevent it, I think discord is the second largest social media platform now.
Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 year ago
They already are. Some projects used Discord a file host even if they have a page on GitHub or similar services that allows you to package up releases, and Discord is now making it so you can’t just hotlink to them anymore.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Please do it. Let me make some popcorn first though.
APassenger@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ollie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
fuck this bruh. google search is worthless and adding reddit to a search query was the only way to make it bearable…
anyone know any good alternatives? maybe some search catalogue with multiple sources including a reddit scrape?
LoKout@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s not free, but not expensive. You are not the product. They have catalog-like search and curated results.
Paradox@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Kagi is goat.
My favorite feature is their universal summarizer. It can even do videos and podcasts
Gruntyfish@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I am really liking Kagi.
ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Honestly sometimes duck duck go gives me better results
flerp@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I use duck as my first choice, but unless I’m just looking up one word, it doesn’t find much useful. If I look for a specific question, duck doesn’t work at all and I have to go back to google. google is way worse than it used to be, but it’s still better than any other I have found yet.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The only thing google search is good for anynore is recipies. Thebonly good product they make anymore is maps.
Duckduckgo isnt much better.
Paradox@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Even their recipe search is abysmal
Look up something like schnitzel and you’ll have 7 paragraphs of AI slop, telling you about the author, the history of the dish, the weather, a new cookbook for sale, before you get to the actual recipe
spudwart@spudwart.com 1 year ago
I use a search aggregator, searxng.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fuck Reddit. Can’t say I miss that shithole.
detinu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ngl I miss the early days with much fewer users. I loved it.
Now it’s a pile of social media trash. I still browse it on my PC cuz I’m weak like that, but I managed to dodge it on my mobile.
Gabu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It can’t even survive with data.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The most valuable part of reddit is always in the comments, as it has over time replaced forums to become the biggest central repository of (mostly relatively high quality) human generated English text data on the internet in discussion format, and even knowing this, reddit has never attempted to have a remotely decent way to search for information in the comments, as post titles can be incredibly vague or irrelevant.
This is the reason why using Google or another external search engine for reddit, because it is the ONLY way to find information in the comments.
If reddit does block Google crawlers, then it would make sense for Google to start prioritizing alternate source of open, high quality human generated data in their search engine optimization, and that would hopefully be the various Lemmy instances, which could be a strong driving factor in Lemmy’s growth in the future.
SARGEx117@lemmy.world 1 year ago
DO IIIIIIIIIT
doitdoitdoitdoitdoit
LemmySoloHer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
OK, well, this is simply suicidal for the site. What positives would this even bring? And even if it would, can the dumbasses who lead reddit not see how it would annihilate the site?
coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
No
8ender@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This feels like a fairly desperate attempt to get Google to pay them something
Hyzerflip@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ding ding ding ding!! It’s telling that this announcement came out after it was disclosed that Google pays Apple 18-20 BILLION A YEAR to be the default search engine on IOS. Spez is trying to tap into that.
RGB3x3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Boy oh boy, think about how valuable being the default on iPhones must be if Google is willing to pay that much money.
That’s a lot of profit off selling people’s data.
Que@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He’s a greedy little shit who’d rather run the entire platform into the ground for a buck than do anything useful with his life.
He could’ve done great things. He could’ve gone down in history shoulder to shoulder with some of the big guys, instead, he’s been a snivelling backstabbing little fungus from day 1.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
No it can’t. Which is funny
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 year ago
google.com bro not 🦆 🦆 🏌️
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Like anyone who knows how to DuckDcukGo still uses fucking Reddit
OwlYaYeet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think now is the best time to extract information from Reddit because we won’t be able to look up answers to niche problems with their shitty search function
_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 1 year ago
the company may block Google and Bing’s search crawlers, which means *new Reddit posts wouldn’t show up in search results
If something’s indexed, it’s indexed. If something new pops up and the crawler is blocked, then yeah, not indexed.
The vast majority of shit of relevant reddit content showing up in my ddg/google searches, has been at least a year old. And certainly nothing since 31 Jun.
So in my use case, I won’t notice a goddamn difference. What a bunch of maroons.
Paradox@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Do it. Please
lauha@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Hope they crash and burn
Maeve@kbin.social 1 year ago
Tbh Reddit and Google need to disappear.
carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do it
ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can someone point out what kind of actual benefit reddits stands to gain from this? Although there are many, many, MANY things they’ve done in the past that are unpopular, I’ve been able to understand why they did it even though it sucked for end users. This one just seems dumb though. Since their shitty API changes 99.9% of my reddit traffic is from search sending me there. Hell there’s people that have only used reddit as a search resource and nothing more.
Nintendo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
did you even click the link? it says the point literally in the first sentence… lol they don’t want Google training their AI search results with their data and making less incentive to actually click into reddit
Copernican@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think it’s the realization the the community content is valuable, specifically to generative AI companies. Big tech companies with AI ambitions are extracting that value for free. I think reddit is somewhat justified in wanting to prevent that from happening to try to capture that value they have as being the forum for all of this content. My guess is there the same pipe that feeds search is also the same pipe that feeds generative AI tech.
A_Porcupine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In the bin with you
Darkbug@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Lmao! The only reason I go back to reddit is due to a search engine…
Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Did Elon buy Reddit?
Chozo@kbin.social 1 year ago
Spez has been pretty openly trying to emulate Elon for a while now.
Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I turned my back on the site so I’ve probably missed most of it. The most I learn of it comes from here.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 1 year ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Washington Post reported Friday that Reddit might cut off Google and force users to log in to Reddit itself to read anything if it can’t reach deals with generative AI companies to pay for its data.
The Washington Post’s report wasn’t just focused on Reddit — it’s about how more than 535 news organizations have opted to block their content from being scraped by companies like OpenAI to help train products such as ChatGPT.
According to the original report, Reddit is in negotiations with AI companies to get them to pay to use its data, and if it couldn’t strike those agreements, it might require logins to see content.
That could have the knock-on effect of preventing Reddit results from showing up in Google searches.
(In my June interview with Reddit CEO Steve Huffman, he said that “we’re in talks” with AI companies about the pricing changes.
X, formerly Twitter, has also implemented new pricing tiers for accessing its API, and X owner Elon Musk blamed data scraping by AI startups as a way to justify the reading limits implemented this summer.
The original article contains 353 words, the summary contains 183 words. Saved 48%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
BarterClub@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Man, they are going the way of Twitter. Jeez.
MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Do it, I’ll just use a Bing based engine 🤣🤣🤣🤣
PopcornPrincess@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Where’s Jeeves when you need him? 🤡
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I only use HotBot.
FatTony@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This isn’t coping. This is cocaing.
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
ChatGPT, define “delusion of grandeur” for me!
liquidparasyte@pawb.social 1 year ago
Bold move Cotton…but idk how many more “bold” moves he can afford.