Open Menu
AllLocalCommunitiesAbout
lotide
AllLocalCommunitiesAbout
Login

internet points

⁨1679⁩ ⁨likes⁩

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨fossilesque@mander.xyz⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/c014caed-9bf1-4921-8e71-39c16d838823.webp

source

Comments

Sort:hotnewtop
  • torknorggren@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In my discipline we only pay if we want the article to be open access. Are there journals that charge $1000 and still put articles behind a paywall?

    source
    • lol3droflxp@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As far as I know, the big ones charge very high processors fees

      source
      • FinalRemix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Processing fees”

        Ensuring the Docx file shows up right in PDF format.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
      • NightAuthor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think in computer science it’s normal to have to attend a conference to present your paper if it’s accepted. And they charge a higher fee to presenters than to regular attendees.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
    • _bac@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes

      source
    • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      High impact factor journal are among those that ask fees depending on number of pages and figures. Or at least they used to when I used to do academic research

      source
    • JamesConeZone@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Like all of the humanities

      source
      • very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yup, I’ve got a paper that’s just about ready for submission, and if the journal accepts it for publication, we pay ~3k USD, so about $4k CAD.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
    • someacnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Can confirm, I cannot even imagine paying for papers. Like why do you endure such an issue?

      …Predatory journals?

      source
  • ComradeWeebelo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Publish or perish.

    source
    • spiffmeister@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While its true that there are open-access journals and conferences without such costs

      To publish open access normally costs upwards of $3k USD as well. There’s practically no point in the publishing chain where academics aren’t getting screwed.

      Let’s also not forget that you have to review other people’s papers for the journal for free.

      source
      • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Y’all are getting fucked

        source
    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Cake or death?

      source
      • pthaloblue@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Death… No! I mean cake! Ahhhhhh!

        source
    • Twelve20two@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And all those reasons are why I don’t want to go into academia. It really feels like a the competition/politics/pissing contest of who you know is more valued than people coming together to push the boundaries of what we know and how we understand things. What are the upsides?

      source
      • ComradeWeebelo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Besides myself, I have two other friends that also stopped at a Masters or dropped down to a Masters for similar reasons.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
  • mumblerfish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t forget that sometimes you also do work for that journal, telling them if a paper is good enough or not for them, and also basically don’t get payed.

    source
    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      don’t think you wanna get payed, unless you are a ship, but getting paid would be nice for them

      source
  • doctorcrimson@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So here is the funny thing, with most research you’re expected to get the funding, which includes wages, before you even begin the research.

    Meaning you’re not paying to let other people make money off your research, you’re just paying for services needed for fulfilling your end of the bargain which you had previously agreed upon from the very beginning.

    The cool part of all of this is that in many places when you get public funding the research can be made available to others for free after it’s peer reviewed.

    Honestly, if you could trust individuals in every industry with this much credit, then it is how the entire world would work. But you can’t trust everyone that much.

    source
    • IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wow and for 35 years Rush Limbaugh said clinate research was all for the sweet sweet profits that come from sciencing.

      source
    • droans@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m surprised that some of the large research universities don’t just band together and create their own journal.

      source
      • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Some countries are doing this. But it’s a beginning only. The reputation still comes from the biggest journals. The new ones must make their reputation first.

        source
      • alonely0@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s called ArXiv.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
  • swnt@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s why scihub is so popular

    source
    • Speculater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And Arxiv.

      source
  • IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Capitalism is evil

    source
  • Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “I just proved unified field theory. Upvotes to the left!

    (Please, I need to keep my job)”

    source
  • Fracturedfox@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This guy, Dr. Glaucomflecken also does a ton of skits, some funny, some critical. For his most recent ones he did a satirical set, 30 days of US Healthcare, and they were both funny and depressing. I did not know some of the stuff he mentioned in those. Worth the watch.

    source
  • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    EXPOSURE capitalist-laugh

    source
  • TvanBuuren@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Getting paid in exposure.

    source
  • MNByChoice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The getting to keep your job bit is not quite right. Often, one also has to go find their own funding. Sort of based on the publications, but not necessarily.

    source
    • CeeBee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think the implication is the whole “publish or perish” mindset in academia.

      If you don’t constantly publish something then your career and work is considered stagnant. At which point you lose out to other researchers, and effectively can’t get paid for your work. Aka: you lose your job

      At least that’s how I understand it.

      source
      • mranachi@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The academic system is a tiered system. Publish or perish is a term that mostly applies to early to mid career researchers, who are pracitcally all employed on fixed term contracts.You don’t lose your job if you don’t publish, you just can’t get (or are less competitive for) your next job.

        Tenured academics (professors/A. Prof.) are on ongoing employment by the university. Their job is never really under threat. Although if they wanted to move jobs and be successful in grants then they want a productive group (many publications) to prove they are leading cutting edge research.

        Universities care directly around how much grant funding their professors can pull into the university. However, in many countries it’s difficult to remove long serving academics. It’s not uncommon for ‘retired’ proffs to die at their desk, even though they checked out decade’s ago.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
  • BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What‽ I’ve published around 5 articles, and I’ve never paid anything. Is this something new?

    source
    • smashboy@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s possible that the university paid your publication fees so that they didn’t end up on your desk. The university paid for mine, but there for sure were fees.

      source
      • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Or the PI via the grant

        source
      • flyos@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It highly depends on the field and journals. In my field, most society-run journals are without fees unless you want Open Access.

        source
    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_processing_charge?w…

      beta.elsevier.com/about/…/pricing?trial=true

      source
      • Norgur@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And, posted an hour ago:

        https://kbin.social/m/technology@lemmy.world/t/504112/Publisher-Wants-2-500-To-Allow-Academics-To-Post-Their-Own

        source
      • BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This system looks like it has such a great opportunity to be overtaken by free journals. Universities are in a great position to make this happen if they can weed out their political corruption through a system of rules and transparency. However, having worked in academia, I can see how this would be really hard to pull off. All of those egos competing to be the top ego and cliques can catastrophically toxify a project without resolve.

        source
    • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Varies from field to field. But many journals that ask for money from authors without providing open access are scams.

      source
      • someacnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yea they do seem like predatory/scammy.

        source
  • JamesConeZone@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes, this is correct. Also, if you want to publish your dissertation, you’ll need to do all editing and indexing yourself and wait like 3 years to publish it and receive about 1% of all sales

    source
    • RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wouldn’t matter if I made 1% or 100%, it’s still 0 sales :P

      source
  • Mchugho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is why I left academia.

    source
    • MoonMoon@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yup… Somehow, being able to suffer financially is somehow a sign of your academic commitment. Post-docs are rare enough and most professors dont even get tenure anymore. The result is an insular community of hyper-competitive credit-chasing asshats looking to put their name on your work because you needed their signature for something once.

      No thank you.

      source
      • Diasl@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A friend of mine chased a PhD instead of looking towards industry for jobs. He kinda found out roughly how much a few of us were paid compared to him with a lot less years in education and he was NOT happy. He spent the rest of the night trying to belittle people until people called him out on his bullshit.

        source
  • FreshLight@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Kinda fucked up that it’s not only about being smart or having the tenacity to acquire these kind of jobs but that it’s also depending on the altruistic mindset and resiliency of people. The pool of people having most if these traits is quite slim…

    source
  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Publish it to social media and you get the prestige and points without paying the $1000!

    source
    • jalda@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t think you can convert social media prestige points to academia prestige points

      source
      • lud@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Unless you are popular enough, that you get honorary degrees

        source
      • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But why? If the science is accurate and reproducible, where it is published shouldn’t matter. Like if I solved one of those unsolvable math problems and posted the answer and my work online, surely someone important would find out.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
  • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    After it’s published, do you get to do whatever you want with it? Like put it on your own website with a link to where it was published?

    source
    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nope.

      source
    • affiliate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      no. but sometimes you can buy distribution rights from the journal for thousands of dollars!

      source
    • Gargantu8@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s common practice to share papers when requested for no fee.

      source
      • NightAuthor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But the fact that you can’t just post it publicly is crap.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
    • flyos@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In France, we are allowed by law to share the final text of any paper for free after a 6-month embargo, whatever the publishing licence we signed.

      source
      • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        6 months sounds reasonable.

        source
        • -> View More Comments
  • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This guy missed the “finding” kpis. No one gives jobs on prestige point, you need to bring in Kilo-$ or kilo-euros

    source
  • BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Capitalism strikes again

    source
  • FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    rEsEaRcHiNg1!1!!

    source