What is your favorite programming language?

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• JakenVeina@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  C#. Comes with a first-class dev and debugging experience, a HUGE first-party BCL, cross-platform application support, and one of the best webserver frameworks out there.

  TypeScript makes a reasonably-close second, not necessarily because it’s great, but because of how effective it is at making JavaScript usable.

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  • huntrss@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The first-class dev and debugging experience, is this with Visual Studio or Rider as IDEs?

    Because I currently do C# with Linux + neovim + Omnisharp as Language Server and it is really slow and bad. Do you have any tips?

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    • Entropius@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve never used it on Linux but Rider seems fast to me on Windows. It’s snappier than Visual Studio + Resharper at least.

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    • JakenVeina@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      VS for me. I’ve heard notbing but praise for Rider.

      I know there’s also a lot of popularity for VSCode, if you know what you’re doing and what all extensions you need to setup, but that makes for a much bigger barrier to entry.

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    • Lucky@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Rider on Linux has worked great in my experience

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  • glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I write C++ for a living but all the C# devs around me are very happy about this language.

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  • ribboo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Couldn’t have said it better myself! Lovely that it’s the most upvoted one.

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  • pycorax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Funny you list both C# and Typescript because the lead architect of C# also worked on Typescript.

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• bobbytables@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ll just say it: PHP. I mean the language itself is not really pretty (but came a long way).

  But I’ve got a nice side gig running where I help small businesses and schools to keep their old PHP based websites running and secure until they can afford a new system. In that area money is often very tight and there are no “content managers” but a few people maintaining content with next to no technological knowledge and in their spare time. So changing systems is a hard task. Being the really decently priced guy who keeps their PHP ship afloat is pretty rewarding (not really monetarily but personally).

  So working with PHP I have a very nice group of customers who are grateful for every bit of help. I love that.

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  • dudinax@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I like php. I can get stuff done in it.

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• words_number@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Rust by a big margin.

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  • xav@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That thing is rock solid, it’s nearly magical.

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• AnotherWorld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Depends on the task

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  • AeroLemming@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    BRB, gonna make a platform frontend, backend, desktop application, mobile app, and hardware controller all in Javascript. shudders

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    • Olap@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Python wants a word

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• starman@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  C#

  F# is also nice, but I don’t use it very often

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• dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Oddly enough Java. If you weren’t brainwashed to write the “enterprise Java”, it’s surprisingly succinct. More so than Go, whose forced “simplicity” ends up making it more verbose.

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  • Pyroglyph@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve heard that the recent versions of Java are a lot more pleasant to work with. I’ll probably still stick to C# though.

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    • dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It sort of had a renaissance since Java 8. It incorporated all the best features of other JVM languages.

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  • DeprecatedCompatV2@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How do you feel about Kotlin?

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    • swordsmanluke@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I fucking love Kotlin.

      Access to the massive Java ecosystem, and takes away 99% of the boilerplate that everybody loves to hate. AND introduces Optional types to make Null-management better. AND smart, type-aware hinting in the editor so that if you’ve validated once that x is not null, you won’t get warnings downstream - unless your variable could be altered by another thread, which is an important thing to know.

      Kotlin is Java with all the suck taken out.

      …And the Kotlin compiler is compatible with Java, so you can migrate one file at a time or just try it out in a subsection of your codebase…

      It’s just… chef’s kiss

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    • dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s pretty good. I’m trying to use it more in my personal projects.

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    • asearer@stranger.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      @DeprecatedCompatV2 @dingleberry I mean…I’m not totally versed, I’m still learning but I don’t hate it.

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same here. Java has a great ecosystem of tools too.

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• david@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Elm (for frontend).

  Nothing is as easy to refactor, maintain, add new features to, work with after a gap, nothing else is as crashless and rock solid.

  No compiler is a fast, friendly, helpful and insightful.

  Its syntax is weird at first (even stranger than python) and the autoformatter is mad keen on black lines but after a short while it’s just so clear and easy to follow.

  You have to let go of your object oriented mindset and stop trying to turn everything into objects and components but everything I hated about maintaining old code evaporated once I did.

  It’s genuinely nice to add new features to old code, something I’ve never experienced before in a few decades of programming.

  The elm slack is also a very helpful place indeed and you usually get a lot of support pretty quickly.

  These last few years I’ve rediscovered the joy of coding.

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  • christophski@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve literally never heard of this before. Are there any major projects which use this?

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    • david@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      github.com/jah2488/elm-companies Vendr use it too (didn’t spot them in the list) www.vendr.com

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  • technojamin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I really love Elm, and it challenges the common notion of what it means to be a “healthy” language/ecosystem. It’s a beautiful passion project that can really only be used if you adhere to the vision of its creator, but it’s a really admirable and utopian vision.

    The reasons for it not being very popular are pretty clear (slow language evolution, “one way to do anything”, perfectionist design), but it’s an extremely cohesive and friendly language. I’ve never used it for anything serious, but I hope it stays around. Clearly the creator isn’t aiming for widespread adoption, but I hope that the niche it’s created grows nonetheless, because it’s a lovely ecosystem and community.

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• urquell@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Scala 😀

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• h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Clojure. It’s just fun to write.

  Firstly, it’s functional and “Lispy”. My code is super expressive. Writing code is like writing prose where I can choose a word (function) from a large vocabulary [1]. I can focus on high-level concepts and modifying states instead of fighting with low-level logic.

  Secondly, it runs on JVM - an already robust and performant platform.

  And there are so many good things that I cannot simply write in some words. The father of Clojure, Rich Hickey, is a genius in expressing Clojure’s design. You should check out some of his talks [2].

  Too bad that Clojure is too “niche” that I haven’t got a chance to make a living by writing Clojure, yet. But learning it is one of the best decisions I’ve ever made in my career. Yes, it’s that good.

  [1] clojuredocs.org [2] github.com/tallesl/Rich-Hickey-fanclub

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• coltorl@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  C++, I am a library developer with some embedded experience. I can easily interface with c libs and expose my lib with a c interface. With clang, static analysis catches most bugs before runtime. Everything I write can be compiled nearly anywhere with very little dependencies required. Excellent IDE and LSP support with a ton of documentation on the language features available (admittedly, there are a lot). It is used everywhere, so resources and example source code in C++ are very easy to come by. Project configuration (via CMake) is extremely powerful and expressive (though not technically C++).

  Some languages have some of the elements I listed, but no language has them all.

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  • lysdexic@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would also mention support for third-party compiler cache systems. Install something like ccache, set a couple of flags in the CMake project, and your whole project can now reuse build artifacts with barely no CPU load.

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• jadedwench@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  C# is my happy place. Started doing python more over bash scripts for complicated stuff and I like it. I mostly use Java for work and my opinion of it depends on the how much extra effort I had to spend doing something I could have done in C# in a few minutes. Otherwise it has some nice features and project Panama has been a game changer.

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  • micutio@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For me it’s the exact opposite: Java is my happy place, especially since v17. Due to my job I got started with C# a few months ago and it has been a pleasent experience to say the least. I need to do a hobby project to explore things I can’t do at work and then I might be able to let go of some Java-isms that still creep into it.

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• alokir@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Probably Typescript, it has so many quality of life features that I miss when I’m using anything else. A close second is C#.

  Rust when performance really matters.

  PowerShell when scripting and automating stuff. It’s common to hate it because “microsoft bad” but it’s very logical and it feels modern. Funnily enough, I’ve only used it on Mac and Linux.

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• Stety@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Python, it’s pretty simple and I am pretty dumb.

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• huntrss@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Rust and Zig are currently my favorite languages.

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  • debounced@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Zig is really starting to grow on me, it's basically an unfucked C (screw you, macros) and you can translate C into Zig code...and it has comptime, very nice! I don't have the patience for Rust in my hobby projects and the standalone-ness of Zig is perfect for embedded/systems programming. it definitely needs to mature more before the masses start taking it seriously, but goddamn it's nice to code in.

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• aluminium@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Typescript. Its pretty good and feature compleate overall, but has by far the most flexible typesystem.

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  • spikespaz@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It has by far the most broken type system which is basically a facade for the programmer to feel safe

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    • didibear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, the fact that mutable lists are not contravariant makes it super scary: Here is a basic example.

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• worldofgeese@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Racket but I’ll take Guile Scheme as a close second. Then Hy, a lisp dialect of Python. I’m writing a blog written in a DSL of Racket right now, Pollen, that makes authoring a joyful experience. Hy gives me access to the entire Python ecosystem plus access to things like macros. Guile Scheme is the configuration language of the Linux distribution, Guix System. Guile’s G-Expressions are so powerful for writing packages.

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• mr_satan@monyet.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Whatever gets the job done 🤷‍♂️

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Either Python or its fraternal twin wearing a game engine patterned trench coat, GDScript.

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• glarf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ruby! It’s a wonderful language with a fantastic community, mature frameworks, and active development on performance and core features.

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  • sultry@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same here. My company uses ruby (on rails) and golang and ruby is by far the language that gives me the most joy. One of our projects has reached a size where I really wish ruby had a built-in type system but other than that it is a really great language and by all means it fast enough for most use cases.

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  • Slotos@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s the language I’m most capable of making a living with. It’s familiar to the point of being boring, I know what popular tools to avoid, I know my way around making Rails get the hell out of the way, turning it into a useful and handy tool.

    I do want a chance at something that’s more exciting though. Some of the features I spy in other languages would be so nice to have.

    Although I’d recently finally had to solve a problem where Ruby being slow was the major factor. Haven’t had that much fun in years. Benchmarks and second degree lap burns will do that to a person.

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  • people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Reminds me of this hilarious write-up

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• mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I enjoy C#. Learned it through game development in Unity.

  Currently learning GDScript, because reasons… It’s easy and simple, but I still prefer C# though, I’m not a fan of dynamic languages.

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• sag@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Don’t laugh on me or make fun of me but I like JavaScript because of it’s major library. I can make a Minecraft Bot which can intergrate with Discord, Matrix and many more at the same time. I am always get amazed by JavaScript because it was not made for this type of thing.

  Other than JavaScript I like Bash.

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  • swordsmanluke@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Other than JavaScript I like Bash.

    Oh man, you had me going until this part! Good joke!

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• snaggen@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That depends on the job I want to do. But generally my selection is something like this.

  1. Is it a short simple script: Bash
  2. Longer script, then a more competent dynamic language like Perl/Python.
  3. Backend, a strong typed compiled language, with as few runtime errors as possible. If it depends on some particular API, the language with good enough bindings.

  Preferred backend language, Rust, since that have the least runtime errors, thanks to its strong typing and the great error handling. But I also use Go if it have better libs for what I do, or Java for situations where that is more suitable.

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• Pyroglyph@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Frontend: TypeScript - You get the massive ecosystem of JavaScript with type “safety”. You can get stuff done and prototype quickly!

  Web framework: Svelte - While frameworks aren’t languages, they still have their own ways of being written and worked with, much like a language. Svelte is a dream to work with, and I highly recommend it to anyone who is fed up with web framework boilerplate. (Shameless self-promo)

  Backend: Rust - Something something blazingly fast. While it will usually take you a little longer to write than most other langs, you can rest in the knowledge that what you wrote is correct, safe, and fast.
  C# also gets an honourable mention here. I’ve never not enjoyed working with it on the backend.

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• swordsmanluke@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  For the beauty of the language: Ruby

  For Doing Businessy Things For Business: Kotlin

  For low-level, gotta-go-fast: Rust

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  • potterman28wxcv@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I love Ruby since I got introduced to it. The syntax is great and you can do many things in a simple manner.

    Before that, Python was my go-to language for scripting but now I cannot stand the syntax anymore. I dislike the lack of braces and forced indent.

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    • senicar@social.cyb3r.dog ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s funny, I dislike Ruby for probably the same reasons you like it. I don’t want a language that’s clever or elegant, I want it to do exactly what I say and nothing else. Lower level just makes more sense to me, I’d be a shit & unproductive software engineer.

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    • swordsmanluke@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can live with the forced indent in Python, but I really prefer Ruby’s “fluent” OO style vs Python’s more functional style.

      e.g. I prefer seeing operations in processing order like

      get_all_foos()
        .map{|foo| foo.id}
        .each {|id| report("found foo #{id}"}
      

      vs Python’s functional order

      [report(f"found foo {fid}") for fid in map(lambda x: x.foo_id, get_all_foos())]
      

      (Also, Python claiming useful variable names like type and id deeply annoys me)

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• onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  For prototyping: Python

  For desktop UI: Rust

  For OS scripts: Bash, then Python

  For web backend: Python (Rust gets a Django-like framework with an ORM that doesn’t expose SQL like butane)

  For web frontend: Javascript 😢 Because it’s all I know, but I would like to pick up Slint (Rust --> WASM)

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  • Black616Angel@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For desktop UI: Rust

    Okay, what crate do you use for UI, that it is your goto?

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    • Turun@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have used egui in two projects now. It’s super easy to write, but the immediate mode does put some limitations on what you can do.

      Iced seems to be pretty good as well, but having to put every single user interaction into a message enum sounds tedious.

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    • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I use slint. You can also use the rust bindings to GTK. There are a list of Rust GUI libs/frameworks at areweguiyet.com

      It allows compiling to WASM too and being embedded in websites, but I haven’t had time to figure that out yet.

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• maporita@unilem.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  SQL. The simplest syntax of all languages but can be amazingly powerful if you know what you you’re doing. (And frighteningly dangerous if you don’t).

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  • christophski@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would disagree, the simplicity of its syntax gives it a steep learning curve for doing anything that is not simple

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    • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Joins… *shudder*

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• kuneho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Lua is pretty rad

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• technojamin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve gotta go with Elixir. I’ve been using it professionally for about 7 years now, and it’s been amazing to see it grow in the way it has. It’s very well-designed, based on a rock-solid foundation (Erlang/OTP), has an amazing standard library with fantastic documentation, and has a strong culture of pragmatism and developer friendliness.

  I personally work in web dev, and Phoenix has consistently shown itself to be an extremely capable web framework. LiveView has kicked off a new paradigm for making web applications that most major languages are copying.

  There’s a solid embedded story with Nerves, and serious foray into ML/AI with Nx. It’s obviously not suited for the lower level stuff, but that’s when Rust integration with Rustler comes in. Many wouldn’t be interested in Elixir because of it’s dynamic typing, but there’s serious effort by the creator and a research team into developing a gradual type system for the language.

  Just an overall solid language that’s extremely pleasant to use with a really healthy and (slowly but surely) growing community.

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  • kicksystem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ll have a look when that type system is there. I am too dumb to program without a type system.

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• AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  C# was my favorite language to use, though I haven’t touched it in 7+ years because I don’t do any windows or desktop UI development anymore. It feels the most expressive and doesn’t get in your way too much. It has all the mainstream OO language features while not feeling overly burdensome like Java.

  Go is now my favorite to use because it’s super fast at runtime and I don’t have to deal with a bunch of environmental and framework nonsense at runtime. It’s hands down the fastest runtime for serverless lambdas, which is the majority of my work. I have several gripes about the language, namely the embarrassment that is their implementation of type inheritance and generics, but the lack of ease for the developer is offset by performance. Java handles that stuff better, but I’m not trading a little ease in dev cycles for 20x longer cold starts and 5x poorer runtime performance. (Actual stats based on some use-case specific testing we did)

  TypeScript is my fav for frontend dev (React), but it’s not as if there’s any choice there. I used to be a plain-JS psychopath, but then I had to work with other people on projects and TS makes that waaaaay easier.

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  • oroboros@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    .net core now has all the framework stuff and all runs great on Linux. C# is a really nice language.

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    • AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, my team maintains a C#/.NET SDK and we don’t use any windows machines. We use mono for compilation, because that was the only option at the time the project started, but hope to make some updates soon to be able to use the newer targets that have native cross-platform support. Microsoft has come such a long way with .NET!

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I was listening to a podcast on SE Radio a few years ago when they were interviewing some high performance stock trader (or maybe even the NYSE engineers themselves, I don’t recall) and they were talking about how they used sun.misc.Unsafe to basically do the low level memory operations that lower level languages allow. I don’t remember their reasoning on why they were using Java instead of an actual low level language but it was still fascinating.

    I think newer versions of the JDK have been making it difficult or impossible to access that class though.

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  • kassuro@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Curious about the tests you made with java and go. Did you test classic JVM or the new native builds?

    We are currently using mainly java with some node sprinkled in there, but I try to move some thinks we have from K8 pods into lambdas as it doesn’t make sense having it running 24/7. One of my coworkers often looked for a reason /place to introduce go. So might be helpful info for him haha.

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    • AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t recall which Java environment was used; I’m not a Java developer so some of those technical details went in one ear and right out the other. They did implement snapstart for Java lambdas and that made the warm start time similar to Go. But the runtime performance isn’t even close after they put a bunch of effort into trying to optimize it.

      I truly can’t recommend anything other than Go for lambdas. It’s better by every metric and it’s a lot easier to manage your infrastructure (just a single binary file with no file or environmental dependencies; it doesn’t get any more straightforward than that.) I’d definitely recommend doing a PoC to compare performance for your specific workload in Java vs. Go. As long as you have devs capable of writing Go, it’s a real winner. If you don’t, I’d still go with nodejs lambdas over Java; Java still seems to require a lot of tweaking to get its performance comparable. It’s a 30 year old swiss army knife, and it shows.

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• wgs@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  C, definitely.

  As a hobbyist programmer, I can write code just the way I want, in my own style and without any legacy code. In that context I find writing C relaxing, as I like to understand how things work internally and avoid abstractions levels as much as I can. ASM requires too much discipline though 😅

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