The US electrical grid is in desperate need of upgrades, watchdog warns

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• bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We’ve only been saying this for 20 years, what’s another 20?

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  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We’ve only had a few truly catastrophic wildfires and only 23,000 homes burned down since 2017, let’s wait until those numbers come up before we start wasting money on things like “replacing 100 year old infrastructure that was built to last 70.” If we replaced every little thing, how would we pay the executives and shareholders?

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  • MiikCheque@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The Green New Deal was asking for this job. makes zero sense

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• SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Of course it is.

  We have more energy consuming stuff than ever. But do you ever see NEW substations being built? NEW long range power lines? I don’t.

  Around here, the utility has a deal- they will sell you a top of the line $400 color touchscreen WiFi thermostat that talks to Alexa and displays the weather report and does a bunch of other shit, for $10 (not a typo). In exchange, you let them remotely shut off your AC if the grid gets overloaded.

  Why do they do this? Because a few truckloads of thermostats (with a bulk discount) are a fuckton cheaper than actually upgrading the grid.

  And so we hear about grid overload days and possible brownouts and incentives to shut stuff off as if this is the way it’s supposed to be. But the reality is these problems only exist because utilities don’t keep ahead of necessary upgrades. After all, why spend the money when there’s shareholders to answer to?

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  • pedalmore@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is not a remotely accurate assessment of demand side management programs. Such programs are overwhelmingly required of IOUs by states since they tend to be cheaper than infrastructure upgrades for everyone. Utilities on the other hand tend to prefer infrastructure upgrades because they get a guaranteed rate of return typically. You have this completely backwards.

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    • SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Interesting. Do you have any sources on this or more reading material behind it? I have yet to really see any things suggesting utilities are asking to do CapEx on infrastructure improvements but are being told no.

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  • piecat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not a new idea. They used to do RF transmitters back in the 90s

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• Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Record profits for shareholders could have been applied elsewhere, like investing in ourselves and what keeps the gears of society turning.

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  • andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t worry, they will repopulate the earth with their billionaire genius genes once we all die and they return on their rockets and emerge from their sweet underground bunkers.

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• 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m at this point pretty convinced that the US is like your friend in high school that never changed the oil in his car because it still started and ran, until of course it didn’t.

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  • intelati@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s actually pretty fucking close.

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• guyrocket@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  With rooftop solar I get to be the asshole that doesn't care about the grid.

  And you too can be an asshole!

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  • 0110010001100010@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The orientation of my house sucks and our neighborhood has many old growth trees. I wish I could be that asshole, but after running the numbers I don’t even break even over the expected lifespan of the panels. :(

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    • SuiXi3D@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Stick a windmill up there, that aughta do it!

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  • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    With (only) rooftop solar you’re still dependent at night, and during the day when it’s cloudy.

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    • guyrocket@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You are correct. I am on the grid instead of having a battery.

      But any minute I might just buy a battery!

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  • remotelove@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would love to get it, but I am getting hounded two or three times a weekend by door-to-door solar salespeople.

    It’s always the same shit routine they pull about saying they are just passing the word about some change the power company just did or something. They supposedly just want to give a “consultation” about what that means and they are __ not trying to sell me anything.

    If their blatant trespassing didn’t already piss me off, their bullshit faux consultation pitch absolutely does.

    The end result? I really don’t want anything to do with any solar company, at all. It’s a shame, TBH. I really don’t want to start shopping for solar in full defense mode like I am about to buy a used car. The sales people in that industry have absolutely fucked it for me.

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    • guyrocket@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That really is unfortunate. Maybe if you found and chose a company yourself...?

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    • aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Buying used panels and mounting them yourself can be very cost effective, you would only need to hire an electrician. Of course be aware of local code regarding such things.

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    • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      diysolarforum.com

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  • UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If the US got similar problems as Norway, you should still care as there is a lot of energy wasted on transferring it from A to B.

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  • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Aren’t they expensive as Frick though?

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    • AceBonobo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They pay for themselves, how long changes by area

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    • guyrocket@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Solar panels? They keep getting cheaper. And great federal rebate on them now in the US. I think it's 30%?

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• oDDmON@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Texas leads the way.

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• Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Nationalise utilities. But the GOP would just attack them when they are in power. Fucken hate the clown show. Maintenance is bad all over this fucking country cause everyone gets so butthurt they can’t pinch those pennies into their own accounts. Its fucken maddening I hope the whole bitch falls apart just so I can rub the ashes in their faces.

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• tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Even if we exclude Texas?

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  • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    California tho…

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    • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      … knows how to party.

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• Davel23@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The power at my place goes out if it's a little windy, or if it rains just a little too long. So yeah, no shit.

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• SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I vaguely remember a TV movie from like… 2006 where some kind of solar storm /coronal mass ejection thing happens right as some hacker was trying to “HEY EVERYONE THIS SYSTEM IS VULNERABLE AND YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE A BAD GUY TAKES CONTROL” type hack of the electrical grid, and the combination of the hack and solar radiation causing most of the US power grid to shut down

  I haven’t seen anything in real life to convince me the power gris isn’t a prince ruperts drop that only works because it’s never been shut down all at once before, and once it does that tail shatters and takes the rest with it.

  In fact, living near a power substation that supplies a couple major things for a nearby city, I’m convinced the only reason there hasn’t been a massive attack against it is because people just assume it’s well protected.

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• andyortlieb@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve had 2 multiple day power outages in the Milwaukee area, and 4 or 5 shorter ones over the past few years. It literally never used to happen.

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  • piecat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Local outages are a lot different than grid failure. But yeah local power lines are probably needing an update too.

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• TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  ya think? you know there are countries where blackouts are a rare thing, not a routine occurrence…

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  • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    34 years old, I’ve been without power a cumulative of maybe 3 days total my entire life. That includes being hit by many hurricanes including Michael which was a CAT5. You might be exaggerating a bit.

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    • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      oh great, the only guy in America is here, thanks

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