Submitted 1 year ago by PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one to meta@lemmy.one
I think it has become more than apparent that our federation with Hexbear has degraded the quality of browsing on this instance. I’m generally for open federation, but the amount of brigading and general toxicity is not conducive to the friendly communications that make Lemmy great.
i understand that our level of activity tends to overwhelm smaller instances, but what others call “brigading” is literally just us clicking on what’s on the front page.
This is not true. Brigading is when there’s a post on Hexbear that links back to a specific post or comment on another instance, and Hexbears follow that posted link to interact. This happens all the time, I’m looking at Hexbears front page right now and there’s sereral links back to sh.itjust.works.
And some of those links actively encouraging hexbear users to brigade.
You’re on a link aggregator platform and you are annoyed because are aggregating links?
That is a lie you want other people to believe. But your main activity back in your safespace is pointing out threads and posts marked for brigading (or “dunking” as you call it).
I’m honestly tired of seeing the constant Hexbear defederation posts popping up on /all from other instances’ meta communities, and now sadly our own.
The features to defederate on a per-user basis are coming: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397
For anyone who can’t wait, it is honestly easier to sign up on another instance who has already defederated. This is not reddit, you’re not penalised or restricted for having a brand new account somewhere. You also don’t need to type an essay if there’s an application, just prove you’re human.
Ehhh, the fact that it comes up so often is an indicator that there’s something wrong.
The issues that cause people to make these posts (if you look at the content of the posts and assume they’re made in good faith) are consistently about the behavior of the people from hexbear.
Since the instance literally has discussions about disrupting other instances communities, I don’t think it’s at all strange to see a ton of calls for defederation.
There’s what, three apps that let you filter instances? Considering that solution is very limited (and doesn’t actually prevent the disruption intended by the bad actors that use hexbear), trying to say that the “real” solution is to uproot yourself, migrate via the migration tools, and hope that’s the end of it isn’t useful.
Calls for defederation are part of lemmy. It just is the ultimate solution to an instance being a problem. The fact that it’s currently the only instance wide way to prevent disruption from another instance just reinforces the reason the ability is there in the first place.
Per user defederation will be wonderful once it arrives, but it’s only useful when the instance you’re on chooses not to defederate from a disruptive instance and you can’t/won’t move away.
As boring as it is to see defederation calls, they aren’t going away.
Its ubiquitous for a reason. They have been nothing but trouble since they federated.
I wouldnt even mind defederating them for now and then deleting the blacklist once the instance blocking feature is added.
From that pull request:
“My PR only hides communities from that instance, but not users.”
So no, it’s not defederation on a per-user basis.
At this point, I feel like there might be a team of people all pushing different instances to defederate hexbear. A lot of the comments look the same in each post too. Could just be me.
Yeah.
You know - I’ve been thinking the same thing about water. There must be a team of people all working together to push the idea that it’s wet. Why else would so many different people all say the same thing?
You cut our the part where the commenter equated libertarianism to pedophilia
Where’s the lie?
You had a bad experience on hexbear because noone wants to discuss your ‘libertarian progressive brand of communism’, so now your entire instance needs to defederate?
Libertarians tend to be obsessed with lowering the age of consent lol. You sound confused.
The current strain of libertarianism in the “west” does seem to have an issue at some point when it comes to this topic.
You cut our the part where the commenter equated libertarianism to pedophilia, which as I said, was exemplary of hexbear behavior.
Are you a libertarian? What do you think about age of consent laws?
It’s a pretty common joke for libright people
🤣 🤣🤣🤣
I like these threads because they’re almost exclusively filled with people trying their best to prove the OP right.
I wouldn’t know coming from a sub that deferated them. So peaceful.
Keep em coming, let it serve as a monument to the 4Chan like behavior of hebear.
This person definitely knows what 4chan geta up to
hexchan
I compared them to 4chan and got so many russeled jimmies… It’s so weird how the extreme toxic incels on either extreme side of the political spectrum are basically the same ethos.
That’s because it’s not a line, it’s a circle. Go off one side, come back on the other.
Hexchan and onekun? 🥺
I’m for defederation at least until instance blocking is available. I’ve already blocked most of their communities from my feed, but comments have been really unpleasant since they federated.
It’s not really about the ideology as much as not wanting to have to scroll past endless political bickering. Rage addiction is real and contagious.
I will also place my support for defederation of Hexbear.
Our rule #4 clearly states: (emphasis mine)
No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users.
Every one of you hexbear users AND users of remote instances who are here harrassing and arguing with OP about their views is doing just that. Dogpiling.
In a meta thread that hasn’t much place. Instead of trying to discredit the user proposing the defederation; maybe try proving you folks can play by our rules. Yes; Jonah does permit a variety of viewpoints. If you can stay within our ruleset.
as always I leave it up to you to review their behavior(s) @jonah and decide if defederation is an appropriate action. But the action of the several hexbear users who have replied before this comment have not inspired my faith in them.
Every one of you hexbear users AND users of remote instances who are here harrassing and arguing with OP about their views is doing just that. Dogpiling.
Realistically, how is one of the most active instances supposed to interact with any community without coming across as dogpiling? It can kinda work if you all share similar political viewpoints but when it comes to politics there is literally no way to avoid dogpiling by your definition.
Can you please explain your invention of “democratic” communism before you defed?
I’ve asked and you’ve never explained it to me
Every fucking thread on the front page is about communism. Don’t you guys have anything else to talk about?
Like honestly we have spaces for mental health, tech, movies, news, chat, veganism, and COVID. Also we host movie nights which are pretty rad.
I really have nothing against people with more normie interests like football, TV, Marvel, etc. It’s just not super popular at our end.
Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else, and if you have anything even slightly judgemental to say about their bullshit they scream at you about propaganda and how skinny/limp their dicks are (idk about the last part, I zoned out last time I saw one of them having a fit).
Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else,
Yes, I am american how did you know
Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else
Alright, here’s a fun experiment we should try: you know what America did to North Korea? Let’s let, say, China, do the same thing to America. That includes:
Destroy almost literally every single building in the country, including factories, hospitals, and schools.
Kill 15-20% of the entire American population.
Destroying all the irrigation dams and other structures so that farming is made incredibly difficult.
Bombard the country with so many bombs that the people are forced to live underground and only farm at night.
I think this will be a fair experiment to see if American capitalism can compare with socialism when the rubber meets the road.
Literally never seen a post from this instance, or a user until now, bubye
Give people the ability to block instances at an account level and federate with everyone
Thats where Im at. I do think something has to be done in the meantime however.
I remember lemmy.world got a bunch of heat for defederating from them pre-emptively, but it seems like it was a good call at this point.
Bad faith arguments and sealioning abound from their users and it seems the whole instance is just designed to encourage it.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is Sealioning!” Its a ridiculous concept and i take exception to the suggestion that we are debate nerds, or civil. What evidence does anyone ever present in an internet debate beyond a news article or a wikipedia entry? Its become apparent that the people who write in those mediums are no more diligent with their research than anyone else. There are no consequences for laziness. Reputations no longer mean anything to media firms. They have monopoly power, they can print rubbish and continue to hold their audience. To truly examine any evidence requires questioning all assumptions and no one who spends their time arguing with strangers on the internet is going to be that committed. Apparently asking for evidence and and pointing out its flaws makes you a troll.
TIL of sealioning.
You guys at Lemmy.world are lucky you are defederatedfrom them. They are out in full force on this thread.
-_- I thought this was done and over with yesterday?
I’m happy hexbear is here. It’s about dam time we finally have people here who can unapologetically call you out on your fucking bullshit and get in your face about your dumbass nonsense.
It’s awesome and vindicating seeing you guys cry and bitch about having to experience someone with a different opinion then yours and who doesn’t agree with you.
Be appreciative that this experience is only on your pro censorship fediverse server.
You guys can’t handle People like the folks from hexbear in real life.
Fucking refreshing.
It’s awesome and vindicating seeing you guys cry and bitch about having to experience someone with a different opinion then yours and who doesn’t agree with you.
This exact sentence, where you're a gloating asshole who actively gets off to frustrating people who might just be misinformed, is exactly why nobody likes hexbear users.
Jonah, I just point this comment to you. Perhaps your disagree, but this isnt a healthy discourse
It’s not about receiving honest feedback or different opinions. It’s not even about censorship.
It’s about blocking people who make comments like yours. It’s not that we can’t handle it, it’s just that there still are quite a few people who don’t like to turn every conversation into a dick-swinging contest. You are more of a general annoyance than anything else.
Obviously you are happy about being a jackass. Totally cool! I ignore people like you everyday since they usually have nothing of value to contribute anyway.
Just look at your account. You thrive on that particular persona. It’s weird to me, but that is OK!
Deranged comment
OP is a self admitted communist, based on their comments. Idk why that fact has me in tears rn 😂😂 this shit is so stupid bruh lmao. I personally think you should make a hexbear account and just lurk, OP. at least that way you could possibly have better reasons to de-fed other than brigading and toxicity like every other de-fed post says.
I think it is worth noting, at least as far as political Compass theory is concerned, that the top and bottom left ends of the spectrum are just as polarized as the right and left end.
Political compass theory is crap
Ok, that’s fair. I still think you should make an alt on hexbear and lurk for a bit. They’re actually quite nice folks, and pretty funny. I don’t agree with everything everyone says on there, but I don’t think I’m supposed to anyway, ya know?
I don’t get it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a post from hexbear, only posts about defederating them. What’s different about my experience that stops me seeing their posts without any action on my part?
Your instance (lemmy.world) has already defederated from them, so you cannot see anything from them. The instance this post is on, lemmy.one, is federated and their users can see posts and comments from them.
I reported a hexbear harasser to a hexbear mod…
Then the mod harasses me. So he need about right.
You can block any instance you like. Super easy to do so. Just click block instance and it’s like you didn’t even need to post this!
No, you can block any community. That does not block every sub community, and it still displays the instances user comments across other communities.
You can block instances too. That’s why I said block instances. Are you having a hard time reading?
Snowpix@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
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Hexbear does not participate or argue in good faith. Their only goal is to “dunk on” everyone who disagrees with them through bad faith arguments and brigading/harassing.
CryptoRoberto@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
100% they’re just complete shitheads who can’t bother to form coherent arguments or debate. They just harass and pile on. They gotta own the libs. Can’t be bothered to find common ground or make discussion. It’s insanely toxic. Tanky version of trumpers is just the most accurate way to describe them.
Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
“Never believe that [tankies] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [tankies] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean-Paul Sartre