Im sad, there was such heart and potential in this generation of Star Trek.
Fuck the haters.
William Shatner And ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ Actors React To News Of Series Ending
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supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Its weird Everytime i go back to reddit it pushes more and more hateful subs on me I think they just keep adding underscores or something.
azerial@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Is it ending? That makes me sad. These greedy companies make me sad.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I’ve been watching them, and most are pretty bad… I don’t hate them, but like, I get it. Great production value, but the stories are weak and rather trite.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Sorry, you are not allowed to have that opinion.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Oh come on it’s not that people hate new Star Trek shows it’s that they hate badly written Star Trek shows. There’s plenty of examples of Star Trek shows that people love.
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 1 day ago
Good thing people stuck with TNG season one despite rehashes like ‘The Naked Now’, offensive episodes like ‘Code of Honor’ and most of a season of sub par offerings.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Oh come on it’s not that people hate new Star Trek shows
…YES, yes it is?
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Is that why nobody watched the damn show? Potential for what? Propagandising your prefered worldview?
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 day ago
This sucks. I mean its not my favorite Trek but it definitely was Trek. It just needed a season or two to get footing. The ‘wokeness’ is just bullshit. They have 1 gay character and a very side character boyfriend. Literally the rest is jocks and pretty girls besides my girl Sam the autism stand in (fucking love her). Cant help but feel this is orchestrated. I mean Riker fucked a nonbinary alien and all those chuds love Riker(’s image).
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
And Data allowed their child to choose their own gender, and all those chuds love Data as well.
Juice@midwest.social 1 day ago
What a shame, it was just getting good.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 day ago
if it takes two whole seasons for a show to “just get good” it was a shit show.
Juice@midwest.social 1 day ago
A season today is only 8-10 episodes. TNG was legit pretty wonky for the first 20-30 episodes.
Like it wasnt bad, I really like Holly Hunter, and several of the characters were felling really strong in the last few EPs of season 1. But I do worry that the shorter seasons just aren’t really conducive to telling Star Trek stories.
A movie might be cool, but it will never happen. And we will have to see what they do with season 2. The show doesn’t have too much margin to get worse, like bad writing or directing. Some things about the show, like visual effects and sound effects, like there were just a lot of really bad decisions around it. Nothing that couldn’t be fixed tho
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 days ago
I know an STA hater. She only watched the first half of episode 1, and assumed the rest of the show would be equally grimdark and “federation bad”.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 day ago
I think people don’t like the direction that they’re taking Star Trek in general. It was one of the few science fiction shows which was actually hopeful about the future, but the writers have decided that they can’t think of creative ways to go in that direction so they’re going to blow everything up.
It wouldn’t be so bad if it made some kind of logical sense, but they just had everything destroyed for hand wavy reasons without any basis in canon.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I actually really liked the first few episodes. Not amazing, but solid.
It’s the ones that come after that were a bit disappointing.
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
I’ll just rewatch TNG.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
William Shatner just said it best again:
So, to all the outspoken trolls and haters out there, a huge Fuck You for sabotaging the entire franchise.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Funny how we can influence a TV show into being canceled because it deals with “icky wokeness” but can’t do anything about the actual icky child fucker.
Sl00k@programming.dev 2 days ago
What’s crazy is I can’t even pinpoint what they even mean by the wokeness? It’s really not overbearing, nor anymore than SNW or other TV shows. Maybe I’m just in a West Coast echo chamber
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Well, he wasn’t invited back for Home Alone 3.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The fact that this is happening now and not at the end of season 2 implies studio shenaniganary and not listening to some dumb chuds.
Why would they sabotage viewership for season 2 instead of canceling it outright? Or at a minimum just dump the rest of it now?
My gut says it’s virtue signaling by management to the Ellison who’s gonna run the place in the not too distant future. Canceling the “woke” trek sounds like something sufficiently sycophantic for a Hollywood exec.
The worst part is now the chuds are taking a victory lap.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 days ago
Season 2 completed production a couple of weeks ago. SNW has completed production on its final 2 seasons. This is the first time there has been a clear deck with no Trek in development or production since 2005.
It isn’t necessarily virtue signalling. A new ownership team tends to like having a fresh start on key properties. It comes at the right time, with Kurtzman’s contract up at the end of the year.
grue@lemmy.world 2 days ago
More like “vice signaling.”
ryper@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
They can’t dump season 2 right now because it only finished filming a month ago and there’s a lot to be done after that.
Alchalide@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t dislike it because it’s woke. I dislike it because it’s a really bad show.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Which means your opinion on whether or not it should continue is irrelevant.
It literally isn’t a show for you.
Soupbreaker@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Since the news broke that Academy was cancelled, I’ve seen a number of comments implying that people who posted negatively about it on Lemmy are in some way responsible for its cancellation. That’s a ridiculous notion. Nobody with the power to make that decision gives a single shit about what goes on here, nor are they even aware of our existence. I get that you’re frustrated, but your ire is misdirected.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Ha! Blaming people on Reddit is barely believable. Maybe an exec is a big Reddit fan, or it gets back to the board because the social media pr team keeps tabs on Reddit to make sure AMAs aren’t being given in problematic fora.
But Lemmy? Delusion.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Surely it was the writers who sabotaged the show by producing this instead of literally anything else.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 2 days ago
He would be far more correct in the general sense if it were only bigots and idiots complaining that were never going to be fans of a more intellectual show.
New Trek has had lots of criticism from actual, existing Trek fans that want to see the IP flourish into another 100+ episode series. Of course the usual bigots and propagandists also hated on it, but they were always going to! To thusly pretend there are zero honest fans who didn’t like Discovery or Picard, etc, is to completely ignore valid critique.
Star Trek might be different for everyone, but there are many core throughlines that were heavily changed for New Trek. That doesn’t inherently make New Trek bad by itself, but it also means the old fans aren’t just whining to whine.
Maybe they actually have some good points when they’re comparing things that are getting dropped one after the other, not even approaching episode counts that the original hit with three seasons, when the rest of the older series all have significantly more than that.
Yes, they all had silly episodes, so why did these older things with plenty of sillyness garner so many fans? It’s foolish to pretend it’s all bigots and idiots simply saying, “it’s different!”.
Greddan@feddit.org 2 days ago
People: “I think this TV show is kinda bad”
You: “REEEE STOP SAYING WHAT YOU THINK YOURE SABOTAGING THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE”
Maybe you should talk to people about what is good in this TV show instead? All I’ve heard about it is people like you claiming it’s being ruined by people who didn’t like it, and don’t watch it.
hopesdead@startrek.website 2 days ago
I hope those individuals whom latch onto what Shatner says, change their attitude.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah this is a stupid ass take. The show isn’t enough of what people liked about startrek. That’s not the audiences fault, it’s the showrunner’s fault, who famously didn’t watch startrek, didn’t care about the IP, didn’t care what people liked about to and just wanted to use the IP to promote ideology and worldview. Aka propaganda. Atleast the TNG to Enterprise era gave us enough of what we liked that we could sit through what we didn’t. This latest installment failed to strike that balanced because it intentionally and arrogantly and sadistically, never tried.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
TNG’s naysayers in the 80’s were upset they weren’t going to get to see more of their favorite characters. Imagine being told now in 2026 that they’re gonna reboot Friends with none of the original actors. It almost doesn’t make sense because the six friends WERE the show; just make another sitcom. And the first two seasons of TNG were pretty bad; in 1989 it was pretty easy for those naysayers to say told ya so.
The thing is, TNG had a solid premise, which was broadly the same premise as the proven original series. There were glimmers of greatness, diamonds in the rough, like Picard proving in court that Data is a person. It just had to exhaust obsolete old plots and executive producers and find its footing as its own show; by season 4 they had made some of the best television ever broadcast.
ENT had a different problem. It was the fifth series made in the franchise, fans were used to meeting new crews in new situations by now. But ENT came out and told us it “wasn’t our father’s Star Trek.” For the first two seasons, the show was just titled “Enterprise” and not “Star Trek: Enterprise.” It eschewed the traditional orchestral intro music for a pop ballad with vocals. And…the show’s values are worse. I think I just convinced myself that they set it as a prequel so they had an excuse to make the crew worse people. Archer would definitely have killed the Gorn. Could you imagine on TNG Geordi and Worf sitting around in a damaged shuttlecraft drinking whiskey and discussing how hot Troi’s ass is? That happened on ENT. Not only did they bring on another hyperintelligent but emotionally stunted hot chick with huge tits in a catsuit having learned the wrong lesson from Seven of Nine, but the entire crew spent at least some time in their skivvies, often rubbing baby oil on each other.
So ENT declared an intent to return the franchise to its classic premise after DS9 and Voyager in one hand, while masturbating half erect in with the other. Trek fans who watched the show for Kirk refusing to kill the Gorn, or offering his hand to the Klingon Captain on Genesis, or…list two Picard speeches here. Weren’t going to get it from Enterprise. You’d get Hoshi holding her tits in her hands though.
TNG had naysayers before it launched, who were proved wrong. ENT started out with the audience on board and lost people along the way.
So now we arrive at the present and they’re canceling Starfleet Academy. Trekkies seem torn into two factions about this:
There’s the diversity fetishists who are angry that a demographic list show was canceled. I remember once upon a time how, gay people for example, would ask to see more realistic, positive, nuanced gay characters in media and not just Straight Female Protagonist’s Flamboyantly Gay Friend. Now there is media made to pander to that audience, and it boils down to “there’s a woman and a gay and a brown and a fat and an autistic and a…” Elsewhere on Lemmy there was a thread about how mecha anime tended to feature gay characters and about half of the thread was like “What? GAY? WHERE!!! I want to see gay!” Them. The people who do not care if there’s a story or not, they just want to have the colors of the pride flag listed out loud.
Then there’s the folks who liked old Star Trek. Who remember Starfleet Academy depicted as a prestigious military academy that expected excellence in all fields out of their students. Wrath of Kahn opens up with Lieutenant Saavik being taught a lesson about facing death at Starfleet Academy. As a cadet, Wesley Crusher is involved in a fatal accident flying a banned maneuver and a cover-up about said accident, and he receives a strong dressing down, not only about the importance of following regulations but about integrity. The graduates of Starfleet Academy are not only extremely capable military officers, technicians that can operate and maintain the highly advanced systems of a starship, are adept at combat at any scale from hand to hand to theater naval engagement, they’re accomplished athletes, published scientists, many are classically trained musicians, they spend their free time playing 3D chess, cosplaying as Sherlock Holmes and putting on stage plays.
And then here comes the new TV show where a fat young woman walks up to Robert Picardo and sheepishly admits to having swallowed her combadge, and he replies “What, already?!” and you think “Oh, this is a show made by retards, about retards, for retards.”
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 days ago
I was taking your comment seriously until the performative bigotry at the end. At that point I thought “Here is a person who is perfectly capable of thoughtful conversation, but is trying to look like an ass.”
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
The franchise died because of poor ratings, not poor reviews.
Do you think The Bachelor stayed on air for years because of critical acclaim?
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Maybe if anyone involved during the Kurtzman era, actually watched the shows and movies first, and had good writing skills things would have gone different. This show is insulting to Start Trek.
You want to say fuck you to somebody, say to the people who greenlit this crap. Kurtzman should have been removed a long time ago. Stop throwing a tantrum.
skeezix@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The show sucked dog balls and we’re glad it’s over. And it didn’t suck because it was “new” or “different”. It sucked because it sucked. The show sucks. Now I have to go because I think I swallowed my comm badge.