Nvidia "confirms" DLSS 5 relies on 2D frame data as testing reveals hallucinations

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨throws_lemy@reddthat.com⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.techspot.com/news/111770-nvidia-confirms-dlss-5-relies-2d-frame-data.html

Early reactions to Nvidia’s DLSS 5 were swift and skeptical, with some observers likening the technology to an Instagram-style filter applied over gameplay footage. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang refuted the allegations, but subsequent clarifications have helped outline how the system actually works – and where it can fall short.

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shyguyblue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Best comment about this was from a video posted yesterday:

Nvidia keeps saying that this tech is still a work in progress, yet they made the decision to release a demo in its current state…

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- CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  GenAI is the ultimate demoware.
  
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  - shyguyblue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Just one more data center, bro! Promise!
    
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  - dvoraqs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What isn’t? Everything is growing, decaying, or changing in some way, honestly.
    
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  - snooggums@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Can’t tell if serious.
    
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- CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yes because it makes people talk about that instead of their love affair with Palantir and their passionate support for Israel.
  
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  - SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    All good, I can hate them for more than one thing!
    
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- phar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Demos are very often an example of in progress works or technology. That literally happens all the time.
  
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  - Epzillon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Doesnt really matter IMO. If you have known bugs and flaws you dont showcase those, or if they are present in the showcase you atleast adress them and show what is to be expected upon release. NVIDIA just flat out didnt care. As soon as motion increases the artefacting is crazy. How do you even decide that this is remotely good enough for a demo?
    
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  - Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    And yet, they chose to demo a broken technology with obvious bugs and flaws. The demos from tech companies are supposed to make people excited, not recoil in disgust.
    
    This isn’t some tiny company, either. It’s fucking nVidia, who supposedly has the money to create a good demo.
    
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etherphon@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So they have this nice 3D card, which they had a hand in inventing and “perfecting” to render the entire 3D scene in beautiful, stunning detail, and then another card with AI instructions that totally ignores all of that just happened, takes a screenshot and puts a filter on it in real time basically. What a massive waste of power and computation.

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- WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So like the reality distortion dinner filter from Inside Out.
  
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Ilixtze@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
img2img slop filter for every frame in real time. Great job nvidia what a dumb waste of resources.

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empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Further confirming this is not meant to ever be used by actual gamers, and instead exists only to advertise real time genAI modification to existing video media.

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BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m not sure why this is such a big deal. It’s only going to affect the 7 or 8 people in the world that can afford the 2 top of the graphics cards required to run it.

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- Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  This is a culmination of years in which gamers kept getting ignored when they ask for some consideration to their needs like more memory, better Linux drivers, and smaller form factors. Instead we get hit with their server farm AI slop runoff and told this is what we want. To me it’s an insult for wanting something that’s more specialized to gaming and graphical work rather than some LLM platform.
  
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  - BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Ahh,I get it now. It’s not about them creating something that sucks, it’s about them creating something that sucks instead of something else we’ve been asking for that would be actually useful. Thanks for filling in the missing piece.
    
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- SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Well, I hate the AI slop look it outputs and until now DLSS was supposed to increase performance, now it does the exact opposite. Also fuck Nvidia, they deserve all the hate .
  
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Gerudo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Instead of doing this bullshit, can we just have regular DLSS be actually good? I can’t stand turning it on for my handheld because it’s a blurry, smeary mess as is.

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- Snoopey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You might be thinking of FSR? I don’t know of any handhelds that support DLSS as they all use AMD hardware, and they also don’t support the latest AMD RDNA tech so you’re such with crappy FSR 2 most of the time which is indeed a horrible blurry glitchy mess.
  
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  - PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The Switch 2 has it
    
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  - Gerudo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Ah you’re right. I was using DLSS as a catch all term forgetting fsr is the AMD version
    
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Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Wasn’t DLSS fine before, wtf did they do to it?

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- albbi@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Haven’t you heard? Everything must contain generative AI now.
  
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  - friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    DLSS stands for “deep learning super scaling.” It was always gen-ai. Those extra details weren’t being revealed, they were being generated.
    
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- Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Wtf did they do to it.
  ✨AI ✨
  
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  - Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    But it was working fine and probably cheaper, this makes it worse. Where the fuck is QA?
    
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- Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The waste is the point.
  
  It needs to be more expensive, because that can be leveraged for higher valuations.
  
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catlover@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So if i understood this clearly, because of halucinations during gameplay there can be things which aren’t actually there?

like you see that guys haircut from the front, you move to the side ingame, and it disapears? or things in the distance change or disapear when you get closed to them?

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- deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yes, or like we saw in the demo, someone’s arm disappears, a ball becomes a blurry shapeless blob, and many others.
  
  This tech is the same tech that powers other ““Generative AI””, meaning exact the issues with asking for a hand and getting one with 7.5 fingers can now happen in real time, in video games supporting DLSS 5.
  
  It is straight up an AI slop filter over top of a game. There’s not much more to say about it.
  
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- cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It already happened in the actual demo pictures nvidia themselves provided. Colors appearing out of nowhere, details showing up or decor elements disappearing, etc.
  
  It’s a shitshow, and it was the best they could garner in a finely controlled environment.
  
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  - Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Most of the AI industry is currently stuck in a kind of uncanny valley where it’s close enough to fool people who don’t care about details or who so desperately want to make money that they deny the reality that these AIs aren’t actually good at very much.
    
    But there’s been so much money invested in it that they are desperate to make it generate some revenue and profit and keep shoving it into things, hoping that their thing will be the one the public finally latches on to.
    
    It’s also management types that really bought in to it. The kind of managers that don’t know shit and will make impossible requests, or think something simple is hard and something hard is simple because they don’t actually know much about the jobs they are managing. But they do have the power to direct those under them to use the AIs as well as get of or dismiss the opinions of those pointing out the emperor has no clothes.
    
    Right now, they are hoping to find that substance that will keep the AI bubble from popping. But IMO the problem is fundamental to the big data approach to AI of “throw a ton of data at a generic correlation engine and hope that it ends up smart”.
    
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The_Almighty_Walrus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Breaking news: this slop is sloppy

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Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I don’t know what DLSS 6 will look like…but I know that DLSS 7 will be mostly stick figures :D

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CovfefeKills@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Dayum they really fucked this up. I have been waiting for this tech for over a decade now and all everyone can do is be angry. Now I get the binary opinions of idiots if I mention I will use it. Have fun hating haters I got old ass games to play with AI filters because FUN! Well we will see how it goes lol.

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- AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  For someone who is excited to go and have fun playing with this tech that’s apparently everything you’ve been waiting for, you seem weirdly eager to get angry over other people being angry?
  
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- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Thank you for your own contribution to the entertainment industry!
  
  Have a like for entertaining me today.
  
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- Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Solid troll, slightly too obvious IMO. I enjoyed reading it though so you get an upvote.
  
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