Microsoft appeared to walk back Recall until they suddenly brought it back unannounced and doubled down. So I’ll believe it when I see it
Did we win?
Submitted 5 hours ago by Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip to technology@lemmy.world
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pirate2377@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
No we didn’t win. This is Google making it harder to install the programs you want, rather than the programs Google wants you to have.
morto@piefed.social 3 hours ago
So, we will have to enable developer mode for that? How long before banking and government apps refuse to run if you have “sideloaded” apps installed? This will be the same as not allowing the majority of people to sideload. No win in here, just an advanced strategy from google to make us conform
osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 3 hours ago
This is already the case if the developer mode toggle is enabled for some. I have to turn it off any time I'm traveling for work because the app we have to use to file expense reports refuses to run with developer mode enabled.
HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social 3 hours ago
At that point you should tell your work to get a work only device for you… I always refuse to use my phone for work shit. I used to explain to them why, now I just lie and say my device is too old to have anything installed on it.
frongt@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Or if you’re rooted, or run something other than your OEM image. I use grapheneos and I’m lucky that my bank doesn’t enforce that like some do. I still can’t use cards to tap with Google wallet because it’s not certified by Google.
morto@piefed.social 3 hours ago
But what if they starting requiring that you remove the sideloaded apps? We’re getting trapped
SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 2 hours ago
Yeah, if that process wouldn't need developer mode (or stayed active after disabling it again) that wouldn't be that bad (still annoying). But having to choose between the ability to install apps or use those apps that only work without developer mode certainly isn't a win.
Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
Huh I’m unfamiliar with this, but I’ve been running graphene for years and before that lineage
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
SomeDudeFromSpace@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
We will win when nobody can tell you what you can or can’t put in your own fucking device.
invertedspear@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Counterpoint: my software allows you to access your banking needs. I’m financially on the hook if fraud occurs. Fraud occurs because your favorite “slap the monkey” game also installs a keylogger and network monitor. So I don’t allow my software to work if you have that installed.
I think you’re right that companies should not be able to tell you what software you can run, but users also can’t be trusted to keep their devices safe.
A lot of network, banking, and telephony protocols historically rely on trusting that there are no bad actors in the chain. Technology has added more links to the chain increasing the opportunities for bad actors to tap into it.
It’s a situation that needs better fixes. Maybe we just need to hand the current internet over to the bots and start a new one with security and privacy built in from the ground up.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 minutes ago
You’re liable if someone shares their credentials? Even if they did it accidentally by installing a keylogger, that seems like user error.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
This isn’t a win, this is Google making things shitty for the benefit of no one but themselves.
smeg@infosec.pub 3 hours ago
- enable developer options
- confirm that you are not tricked
- restart phone and re-authenticate
- wait one day
- confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
- decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
- confirm that you accept the risks
- enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this
commander@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Still worse than it was before. There’s no win in that
org@lemmy.org 4 hours ago
Time for another OS. Android is over.
BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Postmarketos is looking pretty promising right now.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 hours ago
The year of the Linux phone is upon us brethren!
CubitOom@infosec.pub 3 hours ago
“side loading” == installing
db2@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I don’t care if it’s android or anything else, the moment my phone does that is the moment I switch to something else.
hark@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Yup, I got a pixel 10a that I will be putting graphene on as soon as it releases.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
What if both android and iOS do this?
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
iOS is malware why are you even suggeating it
XLE@piefed.social 3 hours ago
I want an extra day added to the warranty of any device I purchase, as it will be useless during that time
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
If the process doesn’t include any phone home stuff, and is just a one-time cool off period to prevent scammers, this is acceptable to me. That should be enough to get potential victims to self-question, ask more knowledgeable people of what’s going on to avoid being unknowingly hacked, without being naggy everytime for users that want to do what they want.
Making a software “foolproof” will probanly invent a bigger better, fool hoping for some sort of free crypto app jumping through these hoops, but this should weed out most of the basic scams.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 hours ago
It still sets your phone in a state that marks it as security compromised. This could lead i.e. to banking apps not working. I’m not so sure about the “acceptable” state of things here.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
Yeah, I take issue with that, but I don’t think it would be used if people complain to banks that reading the flag bricks the app.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
Sounds to me like you’re willing to give up liberties in exchange for comforts, that’s always a bad idea
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
I tend to favour privacy over big tech control, but I recognize we have to at least consider the cost-benefit of these tradeoffs, to live in a society. Of course I’d prefer a phone with no warnings, no nagging, if you get scammed that’s my fault and I will keep my phone that way if it means I will stay off Android 15 and de-Google my next phone. But Google’s plan is within the realm of an acceptable compromise to me because sideloading is still available to everyone without registration with Google. Each person will feel differently about it.
Taking your position to the extreme, if trading liberty for comfort is “always” a bad idea with no exceptions, you can turn off your phone and do without the comfort of it. (Only saying this because always is the word you chose to use.) To accept cellular and home internet services to communicate in the public realm requires you to give up some level of privacy, though of course it can be possible to stop a lot of the unnecessary surveillance that happens along with the necessary tradeoff.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
at best this is not losing at this very moment
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
I haven’t read the article yet, but I’m about to. But no matter what, I’m still looking a lot more seriously into Linux on mobile, such as PostmarketOS than I was before.
tabular@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Software freedom or demise. While Google is capable of imposing anything then Android is already dead to me.
artyom@piefed.social 4 hours ago
Its seems fine, other than the whole “coaching” thing. Like, nobody knows how to do this today, so someone will have to “coach” them through it, even if it’s Google themselves.
But I would wait and see exactly how it’s implemented before calling off the resistance.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
“Scammers” also exist on the Play Store. Google should start by cleaning it up.
webkitten@piefed.social 4 hours ago
You win by disabling software updates at Android 15.
SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 3 hours ago
Not if it's implemented in the Google Play Services, then every device will refuse to install unverified apps after the deadline, even if it's not on the newest Android versions.
Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 4 hours ago
Nah, American companies cannot be relied upon by definition. Even if the people running one are fine (and many are), they are still based in what is essentially a pro-crime, pro-corruption jurisdiction.
Bloefz@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
What do they mean reauthenticate after 24h? I can’t authenticate as I don’t have a Google account. Although I do unfortunately have Google play installed, my phones can’t have it removed.
SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 2 hours ago
Whatever you use to login, password / pin / pattern / body part.
DonPiano@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
This is a premature April Fool’s joke, right?
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
I think the 24 hour wait is at least a sensible alternative. Anybody who’s going to be seriously installing apps on their devices like this is probably going to be using Lineage OS or Graphene OS or /e/OS or something like that anyway. And in that case, they will be using AOSP and not be subject to this because they’re not running a Google certified device.
While I’m not particularly happy about this change, I think it could be way worse.
Something tells me that Google drastically underestimated the amount of pushback they were going to get when they announced this. I mean, very drastically underestimated.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
Making users wait 24 hours doesn’t improve security; it’s an anti-competitive change designed to make the Google Play store seem like less of a hassle in comparison.
over_clox@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I can actually see where it can improve security against scammers trying to scam elderly and non-tech savvy people.
For the rest of us that know our way around Android, it’s just a one time annoyance, after completing all the steps to enable sideloading, you won’t have to wait 24 hours anymore.
pennomi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It’s going to be effective, but it’s a sad world where you have to create a total nanny state because there exist a subset of users who are INCREDIBLY stupid.
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
I’d believe that if most Pig Butchering scams weren’t using apps from Google Play already.