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California introduces age verification law for all operating systems, including Linux and SteamOS — user age verified during OS account setup

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Submitted ⁨⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Amoxtli@thelemmy.club⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/california-introduces-age-verification-law

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  • redsand@infosec.pub ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is religious repression of TempleOS

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    • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How am I going to purify my code and my soul

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  • m3t00@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    root giggles

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  • Exeous@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What if no internet? How set up?

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  • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah… no

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  • aurelar@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Technically, Linux is not an operating system, just a kernel, so I’m not sure how this would be implemented.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      See, here’s the big open secret. All these politicians, who make all theze rules? They don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. They think a kernel is something that gets stuck in your teeth whrn you eat corn.

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      • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        But they do have a clue how laws work, and the element of fuzziness in who’s guilty is a beneficial effect.

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      • Samsy@lemmy.ml ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That was a 5’19 kernel operating in my mouth, I swear.

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      • aurelar@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s my guess. These people have no clue what they’re doing.

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      • db2@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Most of them are old enough to remember when politics was invented.

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You just said it, it’s a rule for operating systems, which means that whoever ships Linux as part of an operating system has the onus of implementing this.

      If you do Linux from scratch, that would be you I guess.

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    • Aganim@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Linux being a kernel is hardly relevant though. The law lies the responsibility at the “operating system providers”, looking at the definition in the article that would be the developers/organisation behind the individual distributions. Politicians don’t care if each distro comes up with their own solution or gets built-in to the kernel.

      But personally I think they all just give this law the finger, put a ‘not for use in California’ in their licenses and forget about this brainfart.

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  • Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve always input my age as 1900-01-01 and I can’t change that now because that’ll show an inconsistency and we can’t have that now can we.

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  • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    California users practice penmanship in preparation to expected return to paper and pen.

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Time for US-based linux distros to move their servers elsewhere (if they haven’t already).

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  • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This will not matter to most of linux, it’s non enforceable and easily circumvented.

    But the issue is what they used for thumbnail. Steam deck.

    Steam is bringing linux to the the masses but they won’t be able to sell any without complying to the part that all apps that can be installed must be able to ask the os to give this data.

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    • scbasteve@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Steam already requires your age when you look at m rated games. The only difference is that the age verification is before you get to that page.

      Also, the age verification is literally just check a box. Its the less of several evils, but really if I HAVE to verify my age, Id prefer to do it this way

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      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        this is not a checkbox, but a date field. and the hard part is, KDE needs to implement it, other desktops need to implement it too, and somehow it has to be fit into the existing linux user database that does not have a dedicated place for information like this.

        it also means using older operating systems became illegal, including windows 7, xp, etc

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  • Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is stupid and a waste of my time.

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  • Willoughby@piefed.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Everyone not in California: mutes California

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  • hamFoilHat@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How old is my tomcat user? How about my various docker containers, are those separate OSes?

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    • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Your average legislator hears the word “Docker” and imagines a ship unloading cargo. Of course computers on ships need age verification! Voters will appreciate a crackdown on nautical child labor.

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    • sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      decrepit boomer voice Whoa there sonny! Lots of stuff sharing just one computer? Sounds like communism to me!

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  • banshee@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Age verification is stupid. I wonder if anyone thought of using a captcha. Require users to solve an appropriately complex problem before they use systems that require a certain amount of intelligence.

    Would be fun to embed empathy quizzes for access to social media 😄

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    • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Age verification is stupid, but it’s also not the goal.

      All the “think of the children” is really just subtext for “we want to be able to track literally everything you do”.

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      • banshee@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yes this is true, and it’s good to remind everyone. I just had a random idea for the (rare) exception to the rule.

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  • Pat_Riot@lemmy.today ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Land of the Free, amiright‽

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    • jaennaet@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Land of the Free^*^

      ^*certain^ ^terms^ ^and^ ^conditions^ ^may^ ^apply^

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I understand why people are upset, but isn’t the operating system asking the user for age and then that age being used to get through service age gated the better path forward?

    I would much rather be able to tell my computer I’m an adult and be able to go to an adult site and have it use that instead of the adult site having to handle the load of age verification. If the age is set per-user, kid profiles and parent profiles can both work to limit content for kids without impacting what the parents see. Hell, even just not having to click through those stupid steam prompts every time I look at a game with an m rating or whatever would be awesome. Especially since my account is over 18…

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    • VicksVaporBBQrub@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The best analogy I’ve heard for this… "Parents to be doing the parenting, versus, a government doing parenting and unbeknownst apples it to everyone ". And it is speaking of widely available tools that are already available such as parental controls in routers, devices, etc.

      The analogy discounts “little hackers” or minors that intentionally will break laws to get what they want; in which then no “age verification” service (made by anyone) will work in practice.

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      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And it is speaking of widely available tools that are already available such as parental controls in routers, devices, etc.

        widely available? what kind of parental controls are available in

        • windows
        • linux
        • ungoogled android

        ?

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Parental controls already exist. There is no reason to force this invasive bullshit on us. If parents want to restrict/monitor their kids online all the tools they need to do so are already available. The government need not be involved.

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      • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Completely agreed, but our opinions don’t change reality, and we see the same sort of requests from countries across the world. If something like this is going to happen, it’s better to fight for the version you want instead of holding your ground in absolute terms and getting whatever is given to you.

        I’d much rather this didn’t exist at all, but if they’re going to do it anyway, this way is much less invasive and could be a lot better for our privacy.

        Even taking this past the parental control aspect, there are plenty of sites that are mandated to age gated, and having that built in and able to dismiss those with a binary of ‘of age’/‘underage’ (confirm to send, obviously) would be great, and would remove the need for some of the existing privacy nightmare ID validation sites. Which would be a overall benefit.

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    • noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The better path forward is to drop all this age verification bullshit. Completely and fully stop. NONE of it is needed. NONE of it.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re identifying yourself lock-step to the government to run your computer. That telemetry is now theirs. Everything you ever do on that computer is now tracked or trackable to you and stored in a giant data center, probably eventually into a trained model of you.

      You look at news about protestors, you leave a scathing review about a business supporting ICE, you post anonymously on a web forum that you’re displeased with the administration, All that needs to happen in the current climate is an executive order and the next time you go to update your passport or hop on a flight, you’re being detained as a terrorist.

      Giving them this all willingly is a horrible idea and they will eventually use it against you.

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  • weaponG@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Linux from Scratch is a refuge. It would be greatly improved with a package manager.

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    • db2@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      When I did it I added rpm and apt (and alien). It was a clusterfuck. Good times.

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  • osanna@lemmy.vg ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sometimes newsom does some epic shit, but then we get shit like this, and I wonder whether I want to live on this planet any longer :/

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