It would be so interesting if humans didn't have a gender assigned at birth and could choose who they want to be.

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  With only 1% trans, I think if we’re just willing to ACCEPT when they tell us we got it wrong, apologize and leave it at that, that would be enough.

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  • definitely_AI@feddit.online ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is it possible that any of them ever got it wrong?

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    • arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The amount of people who detransition is incredibly small compared to the overall trans population, and even then most people detransition because society didn’t accept them and battered them down until they gave up.

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    • GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “Wrong” is probably not the best term for it. People’s understanding of their own identity can evolve over time, but their own assessment of their sense of self will always be the most accurate barometer to go by. Yes, some people detransition, but as others have stated they’re a small minority and ultimately that’s their decision to make whether it’s due to a change in how they identify or pressure from external forces.

      But to the original commenter’s point, we should just allow people to be the masters of their own identity and meet them where they are at any given point. If that were the case, the idea of getting it “wrong” wouldn’t be a big deal at all, they could simply give us an update and the world keeps turning.

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  • vivalapivo@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    only 1% trans,

    That’s the problem. You forgot that the left wants to pump this number to the levels of 10-20% before 2050

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    • RudeOnTuesdays@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think you have your numbers confused. The right wants to reduce trans numbers to 0%. The left doesn’t care about increasing numbers, only treating trans people like human beings.

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    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      they do?

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    • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If that means more people have a voice, then I’m all for it.

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• Voidian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think it’s fine to look at general biological markers and categorize people for healthcare reasons. Most of the time being in the ballpark works for most people. Maybe in the future we can have some full body scan thing that picks up the optimal healthcare setup for each individual but in the meanwhile, we’ll go with what we got.

  But that doesn’t have to have shit to do with their internal experience of themselves, or how the social environment should react to them. And I reiterate: “most people”. Meaning there’s going to be outliers and that’s okay, and they’ll need more individualized care.

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This would only make sense if humans were some neutral sexless gender until they decided, which would have to be biologically enforced until the brain was sufficiently developed enough to choose.

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  • Wataba@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s an episode of TNG where Data builds his child. He specifically says that he designed their base form to be sexless and speciesless, so that they could choose it for themselves.

    If only the Trek fandom at large would acknowledge how unfathomably based that episode is. I swear there’s still a massive contingent of right wing boomers driving the narrative.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yea that’s what I meant: If in a hypothetical alt-world, Humans were evolved so that biological sex is neutral for everyone.

    But since “Gender” and “Sex” both translates to “性別” in Chinese, so when I first learned those English words, my brain kinda just mixed up both terms and encoded into my lexicon to mean the same thing.

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• shane@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It can be done:

  today.com/…/he-she-or-it-family-keeps-babys-gende…

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s pretty much how it already works. It’s just that the pressure to make the “correct” choice is fucking crazy.

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  • Luci@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    For some of us we didn’t know there was a choice

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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      For all of us we didn’t know there was a choice, we were all infants at the time. We were still figuring out which amorphous blob gives us the milk.

      This is why others decide on sex for us through observation, that much is sensible enough. But we’re discovering more and more that this is an imperfect system and that more often than we realized the answer is not straight forward.

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  • Horsecook@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To say that transgenderism is a choice is to argue that it’s not a result of anomalous brain development, and is instead an ordinary delusion, no different than believing you’re Jesus Christ. Which implies than gender-affirming care is harmful.

    I suspect that’s not what you meant.

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    • definitely_AI@feddit.online ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why would someone not be able to choose their gender. Gender is a social construct. Of course people can choose. People can choose to be gay too, if they want. People have free will, don’t they?

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  • GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s just that the pressure to make the “correct” choice is fucking crazy.

    I feel pressured to only ever present as a cisgendered heterosexual person regardless of whether that’s correct or not. The pressure is for LGBTQ+ people to simply disappear from public society. Correct has nothing to do with it.

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• ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Do you really think people just behave in certain, sex-related ways, because they’ve been told they’re this sex or the other? That sex-related behavioural differences don’t appear naturally but are just learned? Also, you definitely can “choose who you want to be”, lol, God made us all free-willed entities! But I cannot be a camel, nor can I be a non-material entity, or (ethnically) Nepali. We have degrees of freedom but we are fundamentally constrained by reality. If you deny reality (a very post modern, perspectivist approach that’s been very popular in the West for some decades now), then sure, you’re no longer constrained but then you lose the capacity to make any “objective” assertions about the world (because you denied an external reality).

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• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Developmentally, babies don’t even have gender yet. Gender develops in the brain between the ages of 2 and 4 (and keeps developing until the end of puberty). I don’t think it’s developmentally appropriate to gender babies. All babies are nonbinary, and we should encourage children to choose a gender and pronouns as a rite of passage on their fourth birthday.

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• BillibusMaximus@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think it would be more interesting if you could change at will. Wake up and pick your gender line you pick your outfit for the day.

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ranma 1/2? 😅

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• TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s not really that it’s a choice to not be cis, but yeah, we shouldn’t assume people’s gender at all imho until they tell us themselves (and as children can’t tell us until they’re older don’t assume until they’re older), and even when they do it shouldn’t need to affect stereotypes or the way we grammatically refer to them or anything, just maybe what body they want to have and who can be attracted to them

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  • definitely_AI@feddit.online ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why would you trust anything someone says about themselves outright? What if they’re crazy? What if they’re lying? What if they’re wrong? Is that impossible, or does every person on Earth have perfect knowledge of themselves and their true self at all times, and always speak the truth?

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    • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why would you trust what someone else says about them rather than what they say about themself? If someone says they’re depressed, do you believe them, or do you need ‘objective proof’? Gender [dysphoria/euphoria] is the same, it’s an internal experience.

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• devolution@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Let’s be real. Who would actually pick to have a penis?

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  • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Probably men

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  • Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Penis vs periods. That’s the ultimate battle.

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      :(

      Can we do the blood type thing where like it’s O-Type?

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  • definitely_AI@feddit.online ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I would. Every single time the better choice by far.

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• Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How do you know you didn’t and you just happened to guess wrong?

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  • definitely_AI@feddit.online ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How do we know anything at all? How do we know that we’re not all just living in an alien simulation and in fact are multidimensional dragons from some parallel universe?

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    • Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is what I’m saying! Maybe it’s like that game from rick and Morty. 1% chance you get a brain tumor, 1% chance you just get put in the wrong body in some way or other cuz fuck you that’s why.

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• s3rvant@lemmy.ml ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Check out the Fluidum comic on Webtoons

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