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- Comment on Society is starting to appropriately accommodate neurodivergence, yet stupid/idiot/crazy/lazy etc. stay in the vocabulary. 2 weeks ago:
You realize the OP is doing a melodramatic bit, right? It’s funny, at least to me.
You say that they are full of false assumptions but your arguments against them hinge on the assumption that they have been asking for banning for words. Can you point to a single instance where he says this?
- Comment on Society is starting to appropriately accommodate neurodivergence, yet stupid/idiot/crazy/lazy etc. stay in the vocabulary. 2 weeks ago:
Dude.
You are literally arguing for the right to be mean to others without consequences.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
If they don’t have meaningful power, then neither do people who would abuse any space they’re in, rendering moderating wholly pointless. But people sure don’t like that idea.
- Comment on Society is starting to appropriately accommodate neurodivergence, yet stupid/idiot/crazy/lazy etc. stay in the vocabulary. 2 weeks ago:
I don’t think OP is suggesting we sympathize with the ideology or the harm it causes. There is a vital distinction between empathy as an alignment and empathy as a diagnostic tool.
Understanding the cognitive or mental health mechanics that lead to radicalization isn’t about giving someone a ‘pass.’ It’s about having the clarity to see the situation for what it is. If we don’t understand the ‘why’ behind how people are manipulated, we can’t effectively dismantle the systems that recruit them.
True compassion in a political sense isn’t about being ‘nice’ to someone spouting hate; it’s about having the clarity to address the root cause of the behavior rather than just reacting to the symptoms with more hate. It’s possible to hold a boundary against someone’s actions while still being mindful of the human vulnerabilities that landed them there.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
The fact that they still exist in an authoritarian system hardly argues in favor of them.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
No hard feelings :)
Not sure what theme you’re using but at least for me the default one makes it a bit hard to separate replies. I still like it most of all for just lurking.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
You’re making quite a lot of frankly weird assumptions.
Find a single line from me where I’m saying that people who don’t engage in rational discourse shouldn’t be kicked out.
In fact, have a honest think. How much of your response is based on a knee jerk reaction instead of actually looking at what I’ve been saying in this thread?
- Comment on It would be so interesting if humans didn't have a gender assigned at birth and could choose who they want to be. 2 weeks ago:
I think it’s fine to look at general biological markers and categorize people for healthcare reasons. Most of the time being in the ballpark works for most people. Maybe in the future we can have some full body scan thing that picks up the optimal healthcare setup for each individual but in the meanwhile, we’ll go with what we got.
But that doesn’t have to have shit to do with their internal experience of themselves, or how the social environment should react to them. And I reiterate: “most people”. Meaning there’s going to be outliers and that’s okay, and they’ll need more individualized care.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Start building what works now, where you are.
Every reform you like started as people organizing. The second the state touches it, it turns care into control. Prisons, cops, “rehab”, all began as community ideas. Now they’re cages.
Anarchy isn’t “no system.” It’s systems we control. Local, adaptable, replaceable. The state just standardizes failure.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
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Responded to someone else.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
You mean the direct quote of Popper that you referred to?
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Then be clear about the rules. I have 0 problems with people creating communities with very clear rules on what is allowed and what isn’t. I wholeheartedly welcome that. What I take issue with is when people claim to have open discussion, or the space is for “rational discourse”, or “anarchist” discourse etc. but then ban everything that doesn’t very exactly align with the mod ideology.
If most people waving the anarchist flag would admit they’re just doing it because it’s cool but actually, they just want to be the authoritarians in place of the authoritarians, that would be fine. I’d happily avoid them. Problem is that when they don’t admit it, they drag down the whole anarchist ideology because they are misrepresenting it.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
People like to refer to the paradox of tolerance but always skip out on the inconvenient bit:
““Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
— In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.
We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.””
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Schrödinger Anarchist: both has and hasn’t rules.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Again, as long as you’re very explicit about it. But don’t call it an anarchist space. It’s then a space, run by an anarchist, that doesn’t follow the rules of anarchism.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
You’re right, predators exist, and ignoring that is dangerous. But coercive systems don’t solve the root problem; they just move it around. Prisons don’t stop abuse, they concentrate it. Cops don’t end corruption, they institutionalize it. The illusion is that punishment equals justice, when really, it just perpetuates the cycle of suffering: hurt people hurt people, and systems that rely on domination will always produce more of both.
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be consequences. It’s consequences without hate and domination. A world where harm is met with accountability and prevention at the root level, not exile and fear of punishment. The question shouldn’t be “How do we punish?” but “How did we fail this person, and how do we stop failing each other?” That’s not softness. That’s seeing through the delusion of separation, the idea that “monsters” are a different species, not products of the same broken systems we all inherit. It’s the admission that IF NOT FOR THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF YOUR GENETIC MAKEUP AND YOUR ENVIRONMENT, you would be exactly as dangerous and harmful. True safety doesn’t come from bigger cages. It comes from communities that refuse to abandon their own, even the difficult ones.
And yes there are cases where the only answer is to keep someone harmful separate from the rest but it’s possible to do that out of love and care towards those that they would harm, NOT out of hate towards them as a demonized “other”. I’m talking about being pre-emptive, which requires ability for people to have open discourse. It requires the ability to rationally look at horrible behavior and address the causes.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Aannndddd… yeah. The “round and round” is what happens when we mistake performative rebellion for actual change. Most of us know the system’s broken, but we’d rather rage at the symptoms than admit we’re part of the pattern. You’re dead right about the “physician, heal thyself” bit, except nobody wants to do the boring work of actually examining why they crave control, whether it’s over a Lemmy community or a state. Easier to just slap a label on the ‘enemy’ and call it a day.
True rebellion against fascism starts with the self.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
I really, really hope that having rules against molesting kids aren’t the only thing keeping you from doing it.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Your logic relies on a cherrypicked take of the anarchist code of conduct to manufacture a smear. You selectively cited the list of prohibited behaviors while deliberately ignoring the sections that protect rational discourse. By removing that context, you’ve created a false binary: either one submits to YOUR specific method of centralized policing, or they are a bigot who wants to harass marginalized groups. Which is exactly the kind of behavior I’m criticizing. Waving the anarchist flag because of the good parts (anti-bigotry) while ignoring the difficult parts (personal responsibility, critical thinking).
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Calling names doesn’t change the structural reality I’m pointing out: that there are a lot of people using ‘anarchy’ as a mask for top-down, centralized authority.
I’m not attacking anarchism. I AM an anarchist who is tired of seeing it appropriated by authoritarians.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
i think it’s okay to be authoritarian on your own channel lol.
Absolutely. But don’t pretend to be an anarchist then. Be actually honest about your views and people may then (as per anarchist thought) choose for themselves if they want to get on board with that or not.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
I haven’t degraded anyone. My focus is on the contradiction of using the language of liberation to justify the mechanics of control.
Lemmy has a lot of performative anarchy: putting on the badass sunglasses of a rebel only to act as a gatekeeper for a specific set of permitted thoughts. When someone claims to be an anarchist but their first instinct is to use centralized power to silence anyone who doesn’t follow an ideological script, they haven’t abolished authority, they’ve just claimed it for themselves.
True anarchy requires individual responsibility. It’s about the capacity for adults to navigate discourse through their own discernment, critical thinking and voluntary association rather than needing someone to pre-filter their reality. If a community can only exist by forcibly removing any voice that challenges the status quo, it isn’t a functional anarchist space; it’s just a digital walled garden with a cool flag.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
It’s a misunderstanding of anarchy to equate it with either total chaos or total control. True anarchism is about opposing coercive authority, not creating a new, rigid authority that dictates what discourse is acceptable.
You can absolutely oppose bigotry and harm (which are coercive actions) without resorting to silencing anyone who doesn’t conform to a specific ideological viewpoint. Genuine community defense is about voluntary association and preventing harassment, not about restricting the exchange of ideas.
- Comment on The same people who rage against authority love moderating communities where their ideology is the only one allowed 2 weeks ago:
Did you intentionally skip over the parts that you don’t like in Anarchist thought?
Degrading, disrespecting, or insulting another person or group of people, because of their : Gender or Gender Identity, Ethnicity, Immigrant status, Religion, Sexuality, Language, Physical appearance or body size, Substance or medicinal use, Disability, Age, Acceptance of any unfavorable or disfavorable group, whether this group is political, economic, social, or cultural.
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- Comment on The last thing people want is to stop wanting 5 weeks ago:
Oh yeah lol I was actually thinking about it when I wrote that but I forgot where I heard it.
- Comment on The last thing people want is to stop wanting 5 weeks ago:
There’s a misconception that to practice non-attachment, you have to literally live in a cave. There’s a very large part of Buddhism that is geared for people who are still fully engaged in life. In fact many think it’s the more spiritually challenging route because you’d have to live in the middle of all the temptations, turmoil and drama, without getting lost in it. The joke is that a family dinner is a good litmus test for how well one is doing. It’s a process of constantly letting issues arise, being with the response that arises in you, and if an action must come, learning how to take the action through compassion. That allows for even political activism - it’s just fueled by wishing people happiness, not by wanting to see the other side lose. The non-attachment is in not believing that the outcome one prefers is the outcome that should come about. But it’s fine to work towards a goal, as one would in a video game.
- Comment on The last thing people want is to stop wanting 5 weeks ago:
The non-monk Buddhists who could enter chats are great actually. I mean those who actually actively practice meditation etc. Very friendly and down to earth.
- Submitted 5 weeks ago to showerthoughts@lemmy.world | 16 comments
- Comment on People don't really know their own motivation for their actions 5 weeks ago:
I had a lot of things happen in my head when I started to listen to Harris’ meditation stuff. Getting the free will thing was a huge relief. Been a while but I recall this was a great bit on it.