What the fuck a 6 year old kid buys a $1000+ phone now? Man, these retards are not hiding it anymore
Apple brings age verification to UK users in iOS 26.4 beta - Users who don’t verify their age may not be able to download or purchase apps.
Submitted 1 day ago by user224@lemmy.sdf.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/tech/884306/apple-age-verification-uk-users-ios-26-4-beta
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LoremIpsumGenerator@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Most kids phones are hand me downs from parents these days. At least they were with my kids other than the first line purchase, and most of their friends. A 6 year old with an iPhone 11 wouldn’t be that weird.
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
The UK government is so god damn dumb.
tackleberry@thelemmy.club 13 hours ago
Time for more users to adopt GrapheneOS
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
GrapheneOS is great and all but I refuse to willingly give google a single dollar for their hardware.
When GrapheneOS can be installed on any device is when I’ll gladly make that switch.
Xatolos@reddthat.com 6 hours ago
Buy a user one then. Google won’t see your money then.
Or wait a little longer. piunikaweb.com/…/grapheneos-to-release-non-pixel-…
In a revealing discussion with David Bombal, the GrapheneOS team confirmed they are actively working with a “top-tier Android OEM” to bring their hardened operating system to non-Google flagship devices.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
If only you didn’t have to give google money to be able to install it.
LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Starmer really needs to fuck off.
maplesaga@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
What if a butterfly was made out of butter?
These kinds of thoughts could destroy big brother.
flandish@lemmy.world 1 day ago
if a phone is tied to a svc acct like a telco provider- age verification should be automatic as THAT provider cannot open an acct for a child.
Doom@lemmy.world 1 day ago
FUCKING THANK YOU!
d00ery@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not in favour of any of the age restriction stuff UK government is doing.
Good argument, but:
Phones in the UK can be bought without a contract and untied to any network.
Pay as you go SIM cards can be bought without a contract.
Credit cards used to make purchases online require users to be 18 or over. Debit cards on the other hand can be issued to those under 18 (but a bank account will require evidence of ID, address, age). gohenry.com/…/what-age-can-you-get-a-debit-card-i…
flandish@lemmy.world 1 day ago
can a debit card be created by someone under 18? ie does a parent have to do it then give johnny a card? can a bodega owner sell a prepaid to a minor, and can prepaids be used?
just wondering where up the chain the responsibility lies. i’m all for corps being held to task, but also parents. if i handed my kid a phone it was my responsibility.
now he had phones that he acquired. i saw them. so i know it is largely irrelevant my thoughts on chain of concern.
in short: this is a terrible tar pit of gov horseshit sold in the “protect the kids” camp but really is “build a bigger fascist state db…”
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
This is what happens when your phone is no longer YOUR phone
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s literally a government mandate, they can’t not do it without leaving the market
And of all the big names, I trust Apple the most to not give my shit to The Man
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
Dude, apple IS the man
rektdeckard@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Apple is the man. Google is the man. The men claiming they are the men are just little pocket puppets.
Zetta@mander.xyz 19 hours ago
Open source software like GrapheneOS is the only software you should ever trust to not be government spyware.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 19 hours ago
Apple has done a fantastic job surrounding their privacy reputation. Problem is, they absolutely bent the knee and kissed the ring.
The only way out is either going with custom roms on an android or a Linux phone, … anything along those lines (you know, IT stuff that let’s you actually do stuff). Or don’t participate.
linule@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Why is there no privacy respecting solution for age verification? Like the government giving you some sort of token that says you’re over 18 and that’s it?
sunbeam60@feddit.uk 20 hours ago
What if I told you that’ by regulation, the EU age verification system has to be anonymous and that it’s only the AUKUS countries that are moving forward in a way where anonymity is “a nice to have”.
Denmark’s system, which is a front-runner implementation in the EU, is going to be fully ZKP.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
How are you supposed to abuse the data of people that you can’t even identify…?
linule@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
That sounds great. I don’t follow the topic closely (probably I should), so wasn’t aware of these developments. This should be brought up in all discussions about age verification, so everyone knows there are better options.
eah@programming.dev 13 hours ago
Anyone have a more in-depth technical description of how that works? I’m interested.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Because its not about age verification, its about tracking and controlling you and making a privacy respecting solution isn’t compatible with that.
linule@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
So there should be a rebuttal demanding a privacy respecting age verification token, instead of just arguing against age verification, which technically does have a point. This way you disable their excuse to sneak in the other things.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 21 hours ago
Because then you can share the token and everyone can use it
I’m sure a more robust solution is possible though.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
You can make them biometric and still be private, but that’s even more effort which they wont spend.
linule@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Personal ids can also be used by non-owners, not much different than this theoretic age verification token. But yeah, ideally it would have an security layer to sufficiently confirm ownership.
Jimmytea@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
There is!, one of the officially recognised and approved ways is credit card verification, however afaik only steam is doing that.
JenitalJouster@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
i’ve seen screenshots of ios users being verified due to having their credit cards as payment methods tied to their name, which is a hell of a lot better than an ID
linule@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I mean a dedicated, government issued age verification token that doesn’t reveal any data to the third party other than you are allowed access age wise.
Lazer365@feddit.nl 21 hours ago
My Apple account is probably old enough to vote…
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I wonder if any companies would ever accept that as proof hah.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
When we were young adults and couldn’t buy our own booze, we made it. Let’s do something like that here.
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 13 hours ago
That is what F-Droid would be, on Android. If it survives…
Of course, we have SailfishOS, postmarketOS, and other small ones, too.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Damn I was not nearly that based at 20. And given that you’re on a Canadian instance and this is about the UK, I’m assuming you’re talking more like 16-17…
XLE@piefed.social 1 day ago
> can’t have apps without an account
> cave have an account without a loicenseWill this finally kill off the “Apple is private enough” mantra I always hear?
nullPointer@programming.dev 1 day ago
unfortunately, that is now how cults work.
Quicky@piefed.social 1 day ago
Mixed feelings about this.
However, ethical questions aside, and from a purely legal conformation standpoint, if the phone validates the user is over 18 and passes only that info as a token to whatever application or website requests it, then it’s a good implementation. It means elimination of multiple validation requirements, minimal transfer of data to third parties, fewer sources holding personal data, etc. Whether it works that way remains to be seen.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
It’s always funny when Apple fanboys try to whitewash its brand.
“Apple is the most private mobile operating system there is that cares for its users that stands up to governments” until it doesn’t but that’s still great because it is how it is and apple has to obey laws and its fine because they hide their involvement with feds so well with marketing, and the cult accepts whatever they do, so they get a pass.
web.archive.org/…/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving…
Have you tried not being a cult member to manufacture consent for corporations?
That or PR agencies are picking up fediverse to push people into being docile consumers.
Quicky@piefed.social 23 hours ago
Not a single word in this rant has any relevance to my comment.
Nelots@piefed.zip 23 hours ago
Kinda just sounds like you were looking for an excuse to aggressively rant at someone. I don’t know how you came away thinking they were an apple fanboy after reading that comment full of ifs and general skepticism.
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 22 hours ago
purely legal conformation standpoint
It’s still stupid even if it’s required by law.
Quicky@piefed.social 22 hours ago
The technical implementation, or the law itself?
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I haven’t read this particular law. But one proposed in Colorado still requires service providers to look for other indicators of age and override the one reported by the OS.
Matty_r@programming.dev 1 day ago
Wow, thats fucked. I hope Australia doesn’t decide to do this as well. This shit is happening so quickly at the moment
awaysaway@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
me too but i’m not overly optimistic. i don’t think there is a strong enough culture of anti-surveillance
hector@lemmy.today 23 hours ago
I think they did this first, at least they passed the law first. Our “left center” government in action.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 day ago
Another reason sideloading is important.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sideloading isn’t a real term - there is only loading a better OS than whatever spy-tech google is offering.
You can’t “sideload” hardware you own - you just install whatever software you like and prefer
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 day ago
Jesus Tittyfucking Christ, yes it is. I’m not typing out “installing software from outside the Google Play Store” every time so you can go away.
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 day ago
Exactly. It’s important that we stop saying “sideloading”, we should just say “install directly” or some other non-loaded expressions
plyth@feddit.org 1 day ago
Teens can travel alone and setup their phone in France or Ireland, or by their phone from a dealer. All the cool kids will have free phones and be on snapchat, forcing everybody else to follow suit.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
no problem, I’ll just use apps from outside of the App Store, right?
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 day ago
You could, if you lived in the EU :)
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Holy. Shit.
HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 hours ago
quite funny for me to read this on a furiphone…
ironic, even
Fijxu@programming.dev 1 day ago
What the actual fuck???
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Disgusting.
khanh@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
IT GETS TO A POINT
thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Looks like the ways they’re doing this is via credit card or account age. I wanted to keep my current phone until it died before switching to something else but fuck me, who knows what nonsense they’ll make us do in the near future.
rimu@piefed.social 1 day ago
2026, the year of the PWA.
paequ2@lemmy.today 14 hours ago
Unfortunately, Google and Apple have crippled PWAs. Surprise, surprise. They don’t get the attention, features, or bug fixes native apps get.
But also, a lot of apps are just views into websites anyway. So I bet a lot of apps could just be PWAs.
The main hurdle is getting people to install the PWAs instead of apps. It’s a different install flow.
StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Well, since I’m not doing that, that would prevent me from having to install the apps that every damned company seems to insist I install rather than having a website. Kinda makes me wish for this nonsense to come to the US.
Osan@lemmy.world 12 minutes ago
For god’s sake can corporations and governments stop trying to
control and survey peopledo the job of parents and society. If parents are not doing their job then you need better awareness and education not to take over.