I think realistically right now everyone is putting brakes on till November elections. If Trump doesn’t go full hitler till election date and declares an empire, he’s likely done in Nov.
Finland's Ministry of Justice is considering halting its plans to start using US-hosted cloud services
Submitted 1 day ago by Beep@lemmus.org to technology@lemmy.world
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sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 hour ago
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
No government organization should ever be using foreign hosting, period, but using usa’s is an especially awful idea
rmuk@feddit.uk 30 minutes ago
Easier said than done for a country that size, but I always think it would be amazing if Finland could band together with a couple dozen or so other European countries to form some kind of cooperative Union that would allow the creation of this kind of project. I also imagine that if such a thing did exist and you were a part of it you’d have to be a complete fucking dickbasket to leave it but that’s neither here nor there.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
Only considering?! Nevertheless good enough.
vpol@feddit.uk 23 hours ago
In order to halt they have to consider it first. There is some process required.
mumblerfish@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Then migration will take years if they already are established in US cloud services
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I think rather than good enough, it is a good start.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 22 hours ago
That was my first reaction, but anyone who’s been anywhere near the civil service knows it will take 16 meetings just to decide to have a meeting about it. The fact they’ve even considered it within a year means this must be high priority.
SW42@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Imagine being the person in the Finland Ministry of Justice who’s been railing on about this for years and constantly getting shit on by idiot managers who can’t install (or use) their own software. Watch it make the national news and then they decide to go ahead and use AWS anyway.
I’m pretty sure a lot of us are that person.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Some of us here think it’s no coincidence the move was considered just as a right wing government happens to be in power. Especially since there was no significant cost savings from the proposed move.
It was already unpopular, but the USA going full Putin now has the average Finn also seeing it as suspicious, instead of just the left wing.
Australis13@fedia.io 9 hours ago
Bit late to the party, but good to see another country waking up to the realisation that the US cannot be trusted. Now if only my own country would realise that...
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
the fact that ministry of justice of any state, regardless of specific geopolitical problems going on at any given time, would just upload its data to any “cloud” no matter what state it is operated from, is mind blowing to me.
you would really expect some standards for such sensitive data.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Ditto. I would have expected most justice ministries to self-host or at least use domestic servers.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
AWS and other US cloud hosts do have data centers in various “regions” (countries) around the world. Some countries have requirements that the servers are physically located there. And iirc, as I worked with some of this in the past, as an example some EU countries for their services required that only EU citizens had certain types of access to those systems. Ultimately they are still owned by US companies. But those companies try to accommodate their access requirements, in order to get their business. Not saying EU shouldn’t move away from US companies, but wanted to clarify some existing policies.
huppakee@piefed.social 16 hours ago
no matter what state it is operated from
Not disagreeing, but if Trump hadn’t won a second term there really wouldn’t be a dire reason to avoid the US. Sure they would be better of choosing a local or at least European provider, but most politicians (naively) didn’t see the current hostility coming.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
but most politicians (naively) didn’t see the current hostility coming.
i don’t think that’s relevant. such sensitive data should be kept in-house and well guarded, not uploaded into public cloud.
Zarajevo@feddit.org 19 hours ago
Halt it, US dependencies can and will be using against you in the future
fort_burp@feddit.nl 18 hours ago
All your data are belong to us.
bytesonbike@discuss.online 8 hours ago
Put your private citizens data on US servers?
Nah. More like giving your private citizens data to HS government.
jali67@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
American oligarchs will bribe the government to continue doing their bidding, even against nations that were once our allies.
ChessThoughts@piefed.ca 22 hours ago
Good. Get American technology out. Follow Germany’s lead.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
That you even started to consider it in 2026 is bizarre, really
mumblerfish@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I hope Sweden and more Erupoean contries does the same
linule@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Is there a site listing what exactly European solutions are missing as alternative? It’s so weird that a continent with population, education and wealth of Europe struggles with… software? These are all solved problems and software development becomes easier by the day. Come on.
vin@lemmynsfw.com 6 hours ago
Europe struggles with agile, in my experience
adespoton@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
Ericsson was doing great until it got swallowed up by globalization.
The one-two punch of the US and China shuttered a lot of viable global infotech companies.
linule@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
It would be interesting to study those cases, to see exactly what failed. We’re not weak and should be able to survive in „globalization“ context. Anyway, now it’s (more obviously) a matter of security too.
wewbull@feddit.uk 18 hours ago
We only struggle with what we produce not being bought up by American giants.
Writing the software isn’t a problem. Having the company survive is.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I would assume this is more a Finland specific problem, AFAIK Slovakia for example has a private cloud for all government IT stuff.
Though that might be due to corruption in this state…
4am@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
They didn’t used to. England in particular had a leg up during the PC revolution. There are also a lot of really great game studios there in the 90s.
And to be fair there still are some, but they broke al lot of ground in the early days. I don’t know what happened; American enshittification possibly left a bad taste in a lot of folks mouths.
wewbull@feddit.uk 18 hours ago
The studios are still there in a lot of cases, but they are part of EA or other giants.
9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
Finland already has very good datacenter companies, as one would expect…
I moved my VPS to a finnish company almost 10 years ago before data sovereignty was cool
luthis@lemmy.nz 19 hours ago
Not even starting seems like the best way to deal with this halting problem
Toes@ani.social 16 hours ago
I heard Japan is starting to get big in the cloud sector.
drmoose@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Lol
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
They don’t exactly have an excess of land to build datacenters
sommerset@thelemmy.club 14 hours ago
How so?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 50 minutes ago
Wow, if only there was some software originating in Finland they could use…
Tja@programming.dev 25 minutes ago
That’s not an alternative. In fact almost everything cloud already is Linux.