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Los Angeles aims to ban single-use printer cartridges — new ordinance will target ink and toner that can't be properly recycled

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨throws_lemy@reddthat.com⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.tomshardware.com/peripherals/printers/los-angeles-is-looking-to-ban-single-use-printer-cartridges-in-an-effort-to-curb-waste-new-ordinance-will-target-ink-and-toner-that-cant-be-properly-recycled

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  • sidebro@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hey this was actually some good news in regards to US laws for once.

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    • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Here in the state of California, we still have the qualified in regulatory positions. Hell, I think we already reintegrated with the WHO.

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      • sidebro@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m glad to read that, keep that up! 🤗

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  • aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cool, now ban the countdown chips that brick ink and printers that are still perfectly serviceable.

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    • BlindFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How do these work?

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      • W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        bpicolor.com/…/chipped-ink-cartridges/

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  • certified_expert@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Repeat after me: plastic does not recycle. It inevitably degrades in the process.

    Regarding printers… ink tanks is the only sensible answer.

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    • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Laser is the answer. Inkjet dries and clogs the jets if not used often like back when it was invented. Hardly anyone prints like that anymore.

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      • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Only problem with laser is the desk size for color laser. If you don’t print very often, and you want color, a laser can take up space.

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    • crank0271@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Community ink tanks, with pipelines to transmit the ink from where it is mined to substations, and on and on.

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      • SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The children yearn for the ink mines?

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      • errer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Water pipelines to the home. Gas pipelines to the home. Ink pipelines to the home. It just makes sense.

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      • BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I want a clam chowder pipe straight into the kitchen.

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    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We also need some sort of way to prevent heads from drying out so quickly.

      Printer companies know heads dry out, and they ship tanks with caps / tape for prevent dry out on retail store shelves. But once the tanks are installed, printers just leave the heads exposed to the air. Like a pen without a cap, the tanks dry out.

      I print like 5 times a year. So 90% of the time, when I’m replacing a tank, it’s because the damn head dried out.

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      • ArchAengelus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Laser printers don’t have this problem. Their medium is already a dry powder!

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  • babyfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I remember years ago seeing a list of the “most expensive liquids in the world”, and black printer ink was near the top of the list.

    Other things on the list were scorpion venom, cobra venom, crab blood, insulin, things of that nature.

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    • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can blame Kodak for that. Printers used to be expensive and ink cheap but then Kodak flipped the business model and made a ton. Other printer companies were losing it so the flipped as well. You can also blame the consumers for choosing that model as well I guess

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      • tux7350@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Looking into the history of Kodak is crazy. They used a 13 month calendar and secretly kept a nuclear reactor in the basement for years.

        People forget that Kodak was a chemical company, not just photography.

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      • Peffse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Funny, I had a Kodak printer for years since they had the cheapest ink by a large margin. HP was always the most expensive.

        What year did that flip?

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  • 14specks@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just FYI to people that you can get remanufactured ink cartridges for a fraction of the price (around half) of OEM. They are sometimes modified to contain more ink in the same body. The company I purchased from included a prepaid bag to send used cartridges back for reuse.

    Also while I’m in PSA mode “REDUCE, REUSE, and then recycle”. Sometimes we skip over the first two steps since reducing is not marketable and reusing rarely is (although reusing printer cartridges appears to be a sustainable business).

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    • iglou@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or even better, get printers that work with ink tanks rather than ink cartridges :)

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    • velummortis@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s all fun and games until your printer holds you hostage with their DRM nonsense

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      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re not wrong. Just have to be selective which brand printer you buy - and I say that with the awareness that a company can enshittify an online printer at their whim. BS Proprietary cartridges that know when they’ve been used up and tattle someone’s refilled them and refuse to work (looking at you, HP).

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  • Sunspear@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    TIL ordnance and ordinance are two distinct words with distinct meanings

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    • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t want to be in the center of an ordnance drop. It’s a statement of fact and a way to remember which of the words has an ‘i’ somewhere around the middle.

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  • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m in favor of ordnance targeting printers in general.

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  • RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I love the idea but I don’t see how it will be enforceable. Companies routinely ignore California laws if they only exist in California.

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    • ooterness@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is just for city of Los Angeles, which is a small portion of Los Angeles county, let alone the entire state of California.

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  • arin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Refillable needs to be default

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    • morto@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      non refillable should have never existed!

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  • Danquebec@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s good, but it pales in comparison to the effect we could gain by reducing the amount of paper that gets printed, especially in business.

    Incredibly, a lot of time I spend is spent scanning shit that was produced using a computer, then printed, sent to me, only for me to then bring it back into a computer!

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  • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Which in practice will simply drive up the price: like refundable deposits

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seems like the headline and article itself are missing the main point

    printer cartridges that can’t be refilled or that don’t have a take-back program offered by the vendor.

    It may be barely mentioned but I read this are requiring a program to take back cartridges

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    • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are there requirements for these programs? Or can they make it as onerous as possible to disincentivize usage of said program? (More rhetorical than anything)

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  • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wow. Just in time.

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  • jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Excellent podcast on the issue : www.npr.org/2021/02/…/why-printers-are-the-worst

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  • babyfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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    • foenix@lemmy.radio ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I believe the cost is more to do with the electronic components. Ink cartridges are kind of like the OG disposable electronics and now we have disposable vapes.

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Probably, but we also need to take every chance to reduce unnecessary plastic in the environment

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