Submitted 1 day ago by Grimreaper@sopuli.xyz to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
He held the rank of Jedi, but the Jedi Council were jealous and didn’t give Anakin what he deserved.
He saw visions of his wife dying and was willing to do anything to save her, yes, including killing kids. This isn’t evil; this is true love.
After he became Vader, he found out his wife died.
Justifiable crash-out, to be honest
I don’t agree. His story is a good person, becoming evil, and being redeemed to an extent at death. He was a bad person most of his life. He didn’t start bad. He may not have died bad. But he was bad.
But he was really forgiving!
That’s right! And before you bring it up, this wanker failed him for the last time, and deserved it, so it shouldn’t count against Anakin.
didnt he explode a planet
Also, he was the one who killed his wife.
Upon finding out that he was the one ultimately responsible, he went “nooooo” and I suppose went “well, as long as I’m in this cool suit, guess I’ll just keep doing the evil then”.
Frankly, I find his arc to be one of the least convincing “how a guy went evil and was redeemed” in fiction. Empire strikes back had the benefit of being able to leave it vague enough to leave it a potentially interesting turn, but when they actually had to delve into it, was pretty unfulfilling
Fun space action movies, but execution on the “twists” was not the strong point.
Why couldn’t it have been Earth???
Technically Tarkin did that but Vader was complicit in it
It should be noted that OP has previously expressed belief that the only justifiable reason for a character to change their life is loss of someone they were romantically involved with, so this is on brand.
Op believes that Anakin’s love for Padme was more important than anything, including the lives of children.
Nothing justifies murdering children, you psychopath. He wanted to save Padme. Guess what, Padme didn’t want children murdered to save her life. And you think becoming full on evil was justified because his wife died but he didn’t have to become evil. He could have used it as motivation to become a hero instead, like other characters would do. He could have sworn vengeance against the emperor for lying to him and telling him he’d save Padme and then not doing so. He chose instead to be a right hand man to an oppressive dictator. I see Anakin as a complex character, but to say he isn’t a bad person at all is too much
Yeah, absolutely nothing in the writing explained why he stuck with the emperor. I feel like the last thing he would have done based on his motivation to that point is stick with palpatine. Beyond being a psychopath, it doesn’t even make sense by those standards.
Empire strikes back set up a couple of plot twists that the series really couldn’t execute on. Nice in the movie since they got to leave it open ended, but bad for the series when they actually had to run with resolving those twists.
Anakin was portrated as a hot head and with poor impulse control in the Clone Wars series, the real hero and the greatest jedi on star wars was Obi-wan.
He didn’t succumb to the dark side even when Satine died, he keep his promisses to train Anakin on the dying momments of Qui-Gon Jinn, he looked over and protect Luke on the sh*ithole of planet Dagobah and even in the end, he didn’t hesitate accept his fate and strenght his bond with the force
The Revenge of the Sith novelization pretty much describes Obi-wan as the perfect jedi.
I’m reading this now for the first time. All of the conversations between Palpatine and Anakin leading up to the fall add so much flavour to his fall. Worth a read for sure.
…and yet the death of Qui-Gon is meant to be the event that set Anakin’s fate.
Tatooine is the planet you seek, Yoda’s on Dagobah.
But seriously, I agree with this take.
The lengths dudes will go to instead of just going to therapy.
This applies to OP, not only to Anakin.
Genocide is justifiable if you’re sad.
I always wonder if people who defend fictional villains online also think mass shootings are justified because the person committing them was in pain.
It’s one thing to acknowledge that the character is complex and that there were reasons for his evil deeds. It’s another thing to say therefore his deeds weren’t wrong at all.
Humans will readily disregard the humanity of vast classes of other humans. It’s especially easy to do it when those people are in fact fictional, but I think it’s the exact same mechanism. They just don’t extend humanity to those people.
My ex wife has a slytherin tattoo from Harry Potter.
I read the books, slytherin house isn’t a well flushed story arch. They are just “the bad guys”
There’s not really any nuance to it. He’ll even the griffendor house is just “slytherin but we aren’t dicks about it”
They are just “the bad guys”
You relate to them how exactly? There only role is being a pain in the ass to everyone else!
He strove for power and renown. Points 1-3 didn’t trigger him, they were excuses to become the evil he was fated to become.
He had his redemption arc but that was something like when he was in his 40s or 50s and reaching the twilight of his life, and knowing that Luke may well kill and replace him. Seeing Luke sacrifice himself instead, moved what little good (or more accurately, moral principles) was left in Anakin.
In terms of alignment, Anakin was always Lawful Evil imo. My interpretation is that he was swayed by the strength of Luke’s adherence to the light side and his almost complete sacrifice. I don’t think it was really motivated by love.
I don’t agree with the jealous council not giving him what he deserved claim. Anakin was exceptionally powerful and talented but that alone doesn’t make one eligible. I’m not big into Star Wars lore like some people but I can’t imagine getting on the council is just a Jedi powers skill test and that’s it.
It’s similar to the thing with Tai Lung thinking he deserved to be proclaimed the Dragon Warrior. He was incredibly powerful and skilled but was also the type to become a villain for being denied the greatness he felt he deserved. Oogway saw that in him, and his reaction to being denied proved that he didn’t deserve it, because there was more to it than just being really skilled and powerful.
He was bad. Have you seen the shit he gets up to in the comics or extended universe?
But, he did redeem himself in the end and that is what matters.
No it isn’t! Not doing genocides is what matters!
This. The redemption at the end is totally not justified.
I mean, it kinda worked when Vader was a cog in the machine and his biggest crimes were cutting off a hand or semi-choking another space nazi. But after the prequels, the redemption made no sense at all.
You seem like the kinda person who saw the Stormtroopers lining up and said “yeah, I can get behind that”
Oh wow, apparently there are people stupid enough to believe Anakin’s perpetual victim perspective. How smooth-brained do you have to be to believe the council was jealous of a whiny teenager who couldn’t control his emotions?
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Yep
But he was fucking Padme who was a decade or more his senior! How can this list be complete without addressing this crucial issue?
And I have to admit that I find the classification of killing children in the way that he specifically did as “not evil” a tad unconvincing.
I think Padme was only five years older than Anakin but that’s a good point. op used to be obsessed with age gaps and they’re okay with Anakin marrying someone he net when he was 9 and she was 14. Also Han and Leia are a decade apart in age (the Solo movie where he’s an adult takes place before the Obi-Wan series where Leia is 10) and Ben and Rey are also a decade apart in age
For shits and giggles I watched Phantom Menace today. Because I figured I’ll never have as good (?) a reason to watch that … wonderful … movie again. And I had time. As with all things I know I don’t like, the rewatch was more enjoyable because I could brace for the trade dispute Jar Jar pod racing medichloriean bullshit and not get pissed off. But that’s really besides the point. Anakin is six in that movie and too old to be trained as a Jedi. And Padme is closer to 18. I think in terms of the actors’ real ages it’s more than a decade’s difference. And I totally forgot Ani is a Jesus baby too because Shmi doesn’t remember the conception. JFC, what a family, the Skywalkers.
And mesa totally fine with Padme and Ani eventually becoming a couple. Mesa no okay with the children slaying for love though. Big doo-doo dat one.
That’s a nice opinion. Too bad it’s wrong.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
Born (or sold) a slave, brainwashed by a private institution (with no oversight) into a killing machine following orders, manipulated by an older (undemocratic) monarch, killed by his own handler & left for barbecue, rescued/resurecresurrected/kept alive by the magic force of a democracy elected leader.
He wasn’t much of anything, just a product.
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