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• schmorpel@slrpnk.net ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Who’s in this pic and doesn’t like it? Not me, of course, because I don’t work for an evil company directly, I just help their operations through a middle man. So I work for several evil companies, but only a tiny little bit for each, which in the grand scheme of evil is nearly nothing!

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  • faltryka@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Me too!

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• idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I used to work in long-tailed litigated liability insurance claims. Think asbestos, lead paint, toxic exposures, etc. Insurance comes into play for defending companies against lawsuits made by people suffering from those exposures. I rationalized it to myself for a year and a half (if we don’t pay for the company’s defense attorneys, we couldn’t pay the claimants their settlements; we’re just following the contract; at this point, the big players are bankrupt, so the claimants are just going after easy targets; etc.), but it makes the world worse and I eventually quit.

  I looked at other aspects of the industry, but there really wasn’t a role that I could feel totally comfortable with. At best, I felt like I I worked for the organization which gave earth “adequate notice” for the hyperspace bypass in hitchhikers guide.

  I went back to school and now I teach new immigrants the local language. It took a lot of work and I make less money, but holy shit was it worth it.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Image

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    • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      we are gonna get so many more of these movies when this everything bubble pops…depressed yeah

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• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think a good step would be if people could admit the companies they work for are making the world worse. I’ve met some people who work for Google who do some backflips about how no the company is good and definitely they’re good people and it’s not the $300k salary talking.

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  • mlg@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Seriously for all the protests and walkouts over Gaza last year, my main thought was “didn’t you know MSFT/Google/Meta is literally evil?”

    I can’t blame anyone for wanting a stable income, but you might as well be working for Lockheed Martin. There’s a reason why these megacorps stay in an oligopoly at the top, and it has nothing to do with talent or quality solutions.

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      15 years ago Google was a cool tech company that open sourced a lot of their projects.

      That was no longer the case long before Gaza though

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t work for Google, and you’re not wrong, but I am not sure they’re totally wrong either. I honestly believe that a majority of companies around today are making the world worse, at least, for most companies there’s an argument that can be made. I’m having some difficulty thinking of an exception right now.

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    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m sure there are companies that are at least more good than bad. Teachers pay teachers. Meetup. Bandcamp before they sold. That’s all I have off the top of my head. But even so capitalism invites cruelty, and the best intentions can easily wither under the pressure to make more money.

      I work for a very large company involved in medicine. They make machines to do like blood work. That’s fine. People need that. But they treat many of their workers like trash. I don’t get paid for holidays and get the legal minimum sick leave per year. Their mission isn’t especially evil , but their behavior sucks.

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• Delascas@feddit.uk ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Everything is relative to your prospective.

  I worked 10 years for a major EU defense contractor. Mostly on civilian projects, but not exclusively. For many years, I hid my employer from acquaintances & friends - when asked, I would just say “I work in software”. After I left that company, one of the anti-tank missile systems I had a very (very) small part developing started to tear the fuck up Russian tanks across Ukrainian farm lands.

  I don’t hide that history today.

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  • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is just moral luck. My opinion is that your work was very unethical from the get-go and you just happened to be happy with the outcome. It’s like saying you are ashamed of speeding in your car, until some day, when you crashed into Elon Musk.

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    • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My opinion is that your work was very unethical from the get-go

      Calling any form of military “unethical” is the absolute peak level of clueless wishful thinking.

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    • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think it depends on whether you work on actual defense systems rather than assault systems.

      Anti missile systems for example.

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    • Delascas@feddit.uk ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You rather made my point - everything about morality is retaliative. There are no absolutes - it is up to your (and my) prospective. For the record, I do wrestle with my employment there . . .yes, we did stop many, many Russian tanks. But I also suspect other systems have been used in Gaza by the IDF. As for speeding and taking out Musk - 100%, sign me up for that moral tradeoff right now!!!

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  • GLOOMSDAY@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    • Bo7a@piefed.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      oh look another fresh account come over from Reddit and trying to be his same edgy fucking self. easy block. bye-bye.

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    • GLOOMSDAY@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re human shit. You said as much. Don’t down vote me because I hate you, and everything you set in motion. All the harm you caused. Drop dead creep.

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• Joelk111@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t think my company is evil, but it’s definitely not my favorite industry.

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• Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That was me. Had a nice career, benefits, 401k etc. I quit in part because the company is eviI. Now I’m in debt, my body aches from my new low-paying physically demanding job. But I don’t have the bIood of chiIdren on my hands so I’ll manage.

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  • goatinspace@feddit.org ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Improvise, adapt, overcome 💪

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “I was just following orders”.

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  • GLOOMSDAY@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you look up the Nuremberg trials. The US went out of their way to not agree unless It was following orders during “wartime”. Wartime specifically because they didn’t want to be punished for Jim Crow.

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• ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m only the SS’s IT guy. I’m still a good person.

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  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I just make sure the trains packets get there on time

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “I’m just a willing cog in the machine that produces death and destruction, for my own personal benefit.”

    “I’m just doing what I have to do to get by.”

    I very much hope you are joking, because if you sre serious, you are a hypocrite and a coward.

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    • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The state of discourse is so dire I’m gonna have to workshop a way to make the “Schutzstaffel IT Guy” bit more obvious.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  New manga title dropped.

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  • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “…in another world” is missing.

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• Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sorry, but if you know your company is evil and you still work there, you’re evil too.

  Once worked at a very major German donation-based organization as an it-admin. Wanted to do something valuable with my sparetime. What I learned there made me never donate a single cent again to any organization ever. I left on the spot, knowing they would never dare to sue because they fear the truth could come out. People could literally just not show up for weeks without explanation and wouldn’t even get a slap on the wrist. Before that I donated like 50k a year to many.

  Could I work there and still call myself “a good people”? Absolutely not.

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  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This.

    I worked for one evil company and I left fairly quickly. They added features that were basically designed to funnel money from gambling addicts and people were even joking about it internally. It felt so gross. I just couldn’t in good conscience stay around.

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sounds exactly like the kind of evil to leave. Well done! “Gross” nearly fits. It’s disgusting. Preying on the weakest amongst us is plain disgusting.

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  • Strider@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I agree and I know it’s hard to swallow, but that’s enabling.

    Yes, life is hard and it’s not easy or possible for everyone to change jobs. Still.

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Everyone has a choice. It might be harder for some, but it’s still a choice. Work for the evil company or not. Noone forces me at gunpoint to go to work. I’d argue it’s possible to change. Maybe not easy or fun, but possible. There may be exceptions in uncivilized countries where it’s “work or die” where it’s “me or them”.

      I, personally, just couldn’t. Working for someone that’s clearly against my ethics or moral code? I would probably prefer welfare over that. Couldn’t enjoy anything I would buy from that salary. Better be poor but proud than rich and ashamed of myself.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Correct.

    A person who knows about evil and continues to participate in perpetuating it?

    That is the definition of complicit.

    You either quit, become a hypocrite and coward, or embrace and justify the evil.

    Left, liberal, conservative.

    Thats pretty much how American politics/society works.

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s exceptions, but almost every company harms at least someone, or some thing through their existence. Maybe not the world as a whole, maybe just a small portion of it, but considering the nature of doing business itself, it’s a difficult problem to get around.

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ok, “evil” surely isn’t black/white. Capitalism in its roots borders around evil, that’s true. But it’s still a difference of selling crap to idiots who won’t question their purchases and ripping e.g. people off of their stuff or just…well, selling arms, munition, addictive drugs (knowing there would be non-addictive versions), making/selling alcohol/nicotine and whatnot…

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• Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Okay which ethical company hires for a senior C/C++ developer?

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  • crandlecan@mander.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We have an internship ready for you 👍

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      internship

      As in getting interned and working for a bowl of rice

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You might try some kind of open source non profit.

    No guarantees, but likely at least less evil.

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    • AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      From personal experience, I went that route (open source non profit) and it ended up being a shit show, i wouldn’t assume it’s better. I think going the route of just producing things people want to make their life easier is somewhat reasonable. I’ve been having a bit of a time sorting this out myself.

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• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Oh look, its literally everyone who works in HR and Marketing!

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• IWW4@lemmy.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The sad reality is, name a company that isn’t evil to someone and a blessing to someone else.

  People love shopping at that shithole Walmart, the convenience and costs, the company’s business practices are fucking ruthless.

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    there are companies that just provide a good service/product/app without much controversy. unless you’re one of those “capitalism is inherently evil” people.

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    • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Capitalism is inherently evil… it’s built on exploiting workers through economic coercion by rich capital owners who don’t, the labor is not rewarded as much as the hoarding of capital.

      Still, we live in a capitalist society, and businesses can be not objectively evil, and we have to support those business and boycott objectively evil ones.

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    • GLOOMSDAY@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Tell me more about how capitalism aims to provide a good/product/service/app whatever? And then explain how it’s actually green living green since you didn’t build a home because daddy gave you one he already had?

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  • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There are specialized niche services/domains in B2B professional services and engineering where it’s honestly difficult to be evil due to the nature of the domain and because it’s B2B.

    One could argue you are are still enabling evil companies, which is fair, but at least you’re not really harming anyone.

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So do we really think that everyone who works at Google or Microsoft is a bad person? Let me remind you that Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has given billions to charity. He’s probably not a saint, but is he a net positive or a net negative to the world?

  Net positive and net negative… there are 8 billion people and that in and of itself is a problem. Should we fault every human on the planet for being part of the problem? “I was just following orders,” someone in the comments said. Biological directives to mate and reproduce and raise a family. Two people having more than two children between them are increasing the population. If you have three kids, and you’re the father, if there are two different mothers, it’s the same equation. Three adults replaced by three children (after so many years). But population is increasing, not decreasing. We’re all part of the problem. Are we all evil?

  That’s not the way I see it. I don’t think it’s fair to judge the individual by the group. I think a person can still be a good person even if they’re part of something that is not good. If you agree with me on overpopulation but not the company in OP’s post, do you draw the line at being able to help it? Like if you’re one of 12 kids you can’t help that, so maybe you adopt when you’re ready to have kids, instead of actually bringing more into the world? So most people can’t help where they work on account of your hopes and wishes won’t pay their bills. You can will them to do the right thing, but you’re not the one responsible for paying their bills, and if they get their lights shut off, their car taken, or evicted, you can draw the shades and say “that’s not my problem.” So why should you get a say? Are you willing to support their families? No, you are not.

  But at the same time, I also recognise that some organisations are evil, some governments are evil, and those who enable them do own some responsibility for that. I just don’t think it’s the final say in who a person is.

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  • MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bill Gates is a bad example. That motherfucker was the most evil corporate asshole in the 90’s. He has rehabilitated his image, but net positive is a bridge too far.

    As for the rest, I appreciate the nuance. But Bill Gates can go fuck himself. It’s easy to be generous with money stolen from somewhere else.

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    • GLOOMSDAY@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He bent the knee to Trump. If he were not just a greedy shitbag. He could’ve said no. But profits over people.

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  • pandapoo@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Started off fine for roughly a dozen words, then you jump right into Bill Gates.

    Bill Gates who was great friends with Jeffrey Epstein, a monopolist, and most recently, worked tirelessly to prevent the sharing of the covid vaccine technology because it would harm the profits of his friends in big pharma.

    I think your world view needs adjusting.

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    • 5too@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think their world view just needs more information. Bill Gates is a horrible person, who has had an excellent PR team whitewashing his name for at least a decade. And unlike Elon Musk, he doesn’t step out from behind the PR team’s cover.

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  • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bill Gates is a horrible person, he is a criminal.

    Microsoft’s oligopoly (officially sanctioned and enabled by US society) has cost the world hundreds of billions of dollars if not more.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Microsoft’s oligopoly (officially sanctioned and enabled by US society) has cost the world hundreds of billions of dollars if not more.

      It has cost everything the tech industry made since then and everything it could have made if MS and its helpers hadn’t killed most of the interesting companies, from DEC to Nokia. I’m not naming Sun, because honestly they are seen through rosy glasses by many today, they were the dotcom bubble locomotive and in general had that weird authoritarian vision of future tech which is similar to what we are getting, but without cool industrial design of Sun. They were not the corporation of good.

      Microsoft’s oligopoly is a device of fate for the world similar to what tech monopolies were for Japan, leading it into recession, or to China’s isolation policies that led to its 200 years old catastrophes. It’s not something that will be hidden by bigger events or undone. It has defined our world for many decades.

      Perhaps it will be named in the future as one of the main reasons for WWIII.

      That being said, I don’t think everyone at Microsoft or Google is evil, but a far larger percent of their employees are evil than one would think (i.e. it’s not only the senior executives).

      Not even evil, just spineless apes who shouldn’t have civil rights (it’s not a dog whistle, I mean independently of race, such people actually tend to be racist when they can get away with it).

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I literally for Microsoft in large part because I could not morally myself justify working for such a manipulative, lying company.

    And that was a decade ago.

    Yeah, yeah if you work MSFT, you have less moral character than I do, you are certainly aiding and abetting evil; even if you’re not directly doing the super evil shit, you’re helping the gears keep grinding along.

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  • AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Most of the big tech companies have enough stuff going on that there are non-evil groups within it doing non-evil and it’s a judgment call for each person. I worked at an Amazon contractor for a little while and it didn’t feel right to me so I moved on pretty quickly.

    Places like flock and palantir though? Yes, almost certainly.

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  • tburkhol@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The landscapers and cleaning staff are probably fine people.

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• handsoffmydata@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The article reads like the inner monologue of every six figure tech neoliberal.

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• TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t know of anyone who isn’t in some way contributing some way or form to some rather dystopian practices, intentionally or not. This is not a justification, just an observation. Just by being part of many societies and filing your taxes, people can be “working for evil”. The real crux of the matter is what you consider acceptable evil.

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• theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You are a good person unless it financially benefits you not to be therefore not a good person.

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• network_switch@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Practically everyone I’m friends with hates imperialism and colonialism but loves the benefits of visiting poor countries that were victims of imperialism/colonialism and feeling special because of the money they bring and the lack of developed domestic entertainment/art industries so that theirs and their countries artist/entertainers are way more competitive there

  Everyone’s pretty hypocritical. People that get mad at other people for working for Google are extra and easily ignored. Damn all those Boeing and Airbus employees for working for huge military contractors. When a company gets big enough, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re lobbying for something terrible to benefit themselves.

  I’m continuously confused how these standards don’t seem to apply to bank tellers, finance in general, large chain retail, fast food, large agriculture companies, fashion industry, film industry, music industry, alcohol, pharmaceutical, … etc

  Some people fight the most inconsequential battles. If you work for JP Morgan Chase and someone gives you the cold shoulder or lectures you because so, ignore them. It’s such a small crowd that’s like that that it won’t change your lifestyle. It’s not like if you quit and struggled to find work and started to teeter on ruin that they’d be there for you. And someone like that probably fights so many small inconsequence battles that they’d be exhausting to be around anyways. And fighting such small inconsequential battles produces so little. Tagging, down with the oligarchy in a bathroom stall or sidewalk day to day. It’s small bubble activism

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• nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The evil companies are far more organized than any individual. If you do evil things for a living or provide support to a company that does evil things the reality is your personal good actions will always pale in comparison by orders of magnitude to the 40+ hours a week of highly specialized and organized labor. It’s functionally impossoble to make up for the harm you’d cause.

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