Submitted 5 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-facial-recognition
So hypothetically, what if a bunch of protestors showed up with ICE shirts/pants/etc…. without license plates and started to protest? How would they know who was who at that point?
It doesn’t even look that hard to do given how much memorabilia there is online.
Well, Halloween just happened, so there are probably convincing costumes available on discount. Just saying…
I consent
Ok time for everyone to dress like I’ve agents then. Masks for all.
Is it illegal to have a facemask? People should start carrying around ski masks in their vehicles in case ICE approaches them. If they claim it’s illegal then why the fuck is ICE wearing them?
It’s harder to racially profile a masked person or identify them in general.
Because it is an authoritarian regime now, and not a state of law and order anymore.
Time to start wearing face paint / face tattoos that fuck with facial recognition.
I don’t think anything like that would help. Especially over the last several years with the huge rise of things like Snapchat filters where people can take photos of themselves in various situations with various costumes, various themes. I’m sure all of that was data mined for someone’s purpose.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision_dazzle it’s been done before. AI facial recognition gets a little overhyped
Is that why cyberpunk media always has people wearing face tats.
Sometimes it’s explicitly called out for that reason ya. Can’t say all the time though.
In their world, resisting surveillance will be probable cause for arrest, because you must have something to hide and need to be investigated.
It doesn’t matter. At this point resistance is a responsibility. They will lie and make shit up either way so challenge them while you still can.
But it’s my religious markings from my officially recognized church.
An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien
Cool, so I guess that means I can ignore evidence of the person/people at the door being law enforcement before enforcing my 2nd Amendment rights and state self-defense laws that also allow me to shoot to protect others.
Yeah you can, but you’ll probably get killed. If you’re willing to do that though, then please do
That depends on who you ask, but likely the courts would side with a citizen requesting ID. The policy seems to be that they must “when it is practical and safe to do so.”
AFAIK, this issue has not been tried in court though.
We should act on protecting our rights and then ask questions later.
Yup. If someone is abducting someone else and doesn’t self-identify, that sounds like an open and shut self-defense case, provided you survive the encounter.
As they wear masks…
We can wear masks, too…for health reasons. I predict an increase in germaphobes.
Imagine if they actually try to ban medical face masks, not for some cockamamie pseudoscience reason, but because we don’t have the right to evade their facial recognition scheme?
Facial Recognition has always been racist this is nothing new in a broad sense.
There’s always been facial rec. In the old days, they recognized that “He looks black, I bet he’s up to something.”
Um, Americans also realize they’re ABDUCTING people without their consent too, right? And have been, for like months now?
It has been years(let us remember Obama), it is only just now that drumpf is in office they realize that people are getting literally disappeared.
What is the point of comments like this. Yes, we realize this. Are you just hearing about it? Do we really have to face each new horror with admonishments that it is distracting us from the last horror?
Most of us are well aware of that. I live in a neighborhood with a pretty high Hispanic population. ICE was reported just a few blocks from my house on Thursday, zero trick-or-treaters on Friday. There are still a discouraging about of people saying they support Trump and what he’s doing on Nextdoor. I want to believe they’re bots.
Yup ice is in my neighborhood too, I’m trying to keep a look out and help anyone I can. I have a balaclava ski mask with prom night stitched into the forehead.
Hopefully they just don’t kno a how bad things are on the ground. Everything looks fine when your head is buried in the sand.
Remember kids, Juggalo makeup defeats facial recognition. Woop woop!
Alright, that’s it, I’m going full juggalo.
I also gear beards still confuse the system so that’s nice
At this point there is no voting your way back to normal anymore. As others have pointed out, the Democrats will ratchet their way further to the right in order to take office again, and the surveillance state will continue to expand under their authority (albeit somewhat less rapidly)
The lower classes must wake up to this reality and take meaningful steps to remove the ownership class from power once and for all. Holding signs and chanting in a public square during a weekend won’t be enough, the rich and powerful must be in fear of their lives.
My area got flooded with Flock cameras during Biden’s last year. Both parties want the surveillance no question. But they also want to be in power. God I hate those cameras.
Imho surveillance state will grow even more rapidly with democrats, just not overtly. They will make a stronger big brother which the republicans will use to promote fascism.
are you “there yet” America?
We’re working on it, apparently.
Serious question, with all this surveillance, would it become a thing to always wear a full mask in public.
I know, feels weird to ask that post pandemic, but here we are.
A lot of cameras ID you by your eyes, so a medical mask wouldn’t really work. If you use a mask + something like Reflectacles, you’ll probably be okay.
We aren’t post pandemic. They just want you to think we are.
We are though. COVID has become endemic, which is the step after pandemic if the disease is not eradicated. So it’s like the flu now.
There are clothing that messes with it but the issue you will find is that with no one wearing them it puts an even bigger target on you.
Convenient they did that with the masks too.
Well that was my point, what if dressing up with masks and glasses (similar to ICE) becomes a trend.
It surely isn’t illegal so if enough people do it regardless of political alignment, it could break their process.
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
I ask because I don’t understand how all this is possible in a constitutional state: Masked brutes who arbitrarily kidnap people on the open street without even identifying themselves, people who are interned without due process and then often simply disappear without a trace in the administrative system, total surveillance without cause, and many other massive violations that the US legal system seems to enable rather than prevent, as it should.
All of this already looks very much like a dictatorship to me, i.e., an unjust state, as none of this can be possible with a democratic constitution - at least not with one that is actually upheld by the legal system.
I’m not going to excuse ICE and all the shit they are up to. I’m just going to point out that immigration status doesn’t require the same process to determine as the guilt or innocence of some other crime. In a murder trial, you have to prove motive, opportunity, etc beyond a reasonable doubt. With immigration status, it’s simpler: either you can document your legal right to be in the country or you can’t. When someone isn’t supposed to be in the country we don’t jail them for years to rehabilitate them and then release them into the population. We remove them. So everything about this feels and looks different from a standard criminal due process because it is different. Even without the aggressive tactics, masks, and all attendant bullshit, it would still be different.
Due process is recognized as a human‑rights protection in almost all democratic countries and generally applies regardless of citizenship; it helps prevent arbitrariness and abuse of power.
The fundamental safeguard against arbitrary state detention is habeas corpus or its functional equivalent: a person detained must be brought before a judge so the lawfulness of the detention can be reviewed and so the detainee can be informed of the charges against them.
ICE denies detainees even this, for which there can be absolutely no excuse in any reasonably civilized country.
From a distance it looks like the American people don’t realize what’s happening and accept it because “it will be over in 4 years”. Keeping them frightened of losing their breadcrumbs also works very well.
That’s my impression too. After everything the regime has done so far, I think it’s pretty clear that it can no longer be removed by legal means - the legal system already seems to me to have been infiltrated too deeply for that.
It also seems likely to me that MAGA will no longer allow free elections, because that would carry the risk of being voted out of office, which, even in the corrupt US system, could mean severe legal consequences for many of the regime’s followers and for all the misdeeds that have already been committed in less than a year. I don’t think MAGA will take that chance, especially since ICE is already set up as a kind of secret police force with a budget equivalent to the military spending of a medium-sized country. I mean, what else could an agency like this possibly need such an astronomical budget for other than as a private army loyal to the regime and thus a safeguard in case of resistance from the regular army or the police?
In short: I think the outlook is very bleak, and like you, I’m not convinced that the majority of US citizens are aware of how dangerous the situation is.
The judiciary “interprets” the constitution. Trump filled the judiciary with loyalist or otherwise ideologically aligned judges during this term and his previous. The supreme court ruled last year that the president has immunity, and the president has the ability to pardon people, so it seems the administration is pretty much “above the law.” Even when the courts do push back, they’re acting like they’re powerless, and the admin’s tactics seems to be just ignoring, stalling, or taking the “ain’t no rules says a dog can’t play basketball” approach to working around the courts. Yes, the constitution has been severely weakened, and will probably continue to weaken.
Land of the free (for white people)
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
No.
Nobody bothered to make federal agents wearing masks illegal, and eventually they decided to do it.
Reminder to everyone that it is COVID season, so wear a mask for your health.
They use facial recognition on us while we are not allowed to see their faces.
These guys need de-masking.
So look,v this is just gonna happen. It’s legal to film people in public (in the US) and we all know stores, etc. are already using facial recognition.
The real problem here is the (apparent, though almost certainly assured) lack of responsible use of the data. Scanning faces means you also get time, place, and event/activity, and that citizens then have zero control of what the govt does with this, who they share it with (e.g. Palantir), etc. All prior collection of US person data required appropriate approval, limited scope of access, and timely adjudication/disposal. But ICE is (again, apparently) operating outside the law.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If they can, they will. That’s the only rule you need to know about business and politics.