Is it illegal to have a facemask? People should start carrying around ski masks in their vehicles in case ICE approaches them. If they claim it’s illegal then why the fuck is ICE wearing them?
ICE's 'Frightening' Facial Recognition App is Scanning US Citizens Without Their Consent
Submitted 17 hours ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-facial-recognition
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Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
__siru__@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
Because it is an authoritarian regime now, and not a state of law and order anymore.
DandomRude@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
I ask because I don’t understand how all this is possible in a constitutional state: Masked brutes who arbitrarily kidnap people on the open street without even identifying themselves, people who are interned without due process and then often simply disappear without a trace in the administrative system, total surveillance without cause, and many other massive violations that the US legal system seems to enable rather than prevent, as it should.
All of this already looks very much like a dictatorship to me, i.e., an unjust state, as none of this can be possible with a democratic constitution - at least not with one that is actually upheld by the legal system.
ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
It does not. The legal system has essentially lost the ability to be a check on the power of the executive branch. Partly because of regulatory capture and partly because of the speed at which the executive branch is acting illegally - it takes time to build cases and the jsutice system can’t keep up.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
At a certain point, we should just arrest the President, Vice President, and cabinet while we work through the paperwork. I don’t know much about Chuck Grassley, but he can run things while we get through the trials.
sobchak@programming.dev 2 hours ago
The judiciary “interprets” the constitution. Trump filled the judiciary with loyalist or otherwise ideologically aligned judges during this term and his previous. The supreme court ruled last year that the president has immunity, and the president has the ability to pardon people, so it seems the administration is pretty much “above the law.” Even when the courts do push back, they’re acting like they’re powerless, and the admin’s tactics seems to be just ignoring, stalling, or taking the “ain’t no rules says a dog can’t play basketball” approach to working around the courts. Yes, the constitution has been severely weakened, and will probably continue to weaken.
GaryGhost@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Land of the free (for white people)
architect@thelemmy.club 16 hours ago
No.
The people are so gaslit they will attack you if you say otherwise.
I wonder why our allies aren’t helping at this point. Surely they understand where this goes if they don’t stop it sooner rather than later. Europe is laughing at Americans ignoring the tiger that will eat them soon.
DandomRude@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I am German and I am appalled by the behavior of our government: Instead of standing up to Trump and his henchmen and becoming independent from the US, they are kowtowing to him, even though it is completely obvious how little Trump cares about his so called allies—and since the US is nowadays blackmailing Europe with tariffs and so on, it takes a lot of imagination to still call them allies, especially when all halfway rational people are particularly disturbed by all the inhuman Nazi shit.
Unfortunately, however, the weak position of the current German government was already absolutely foreseeable before the last federal election, because the Chancellor, Friedrich Merz, is actually more of a US lobbyist than a politician (among other things, he was chairman of the supervisory board of Black Rock Germany until 2022 and held various positions in business lobby organizations such as the Atlantik-Brücke – a conservative think tank). Nothing can be expected from these people, although I unfortunately also think that US citizens should not count on any external support anyway.
PushButton@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Why your “allies” don’t help? Well, the USA shouldn’t have spit in our face to begin with.
We have enough to fix in our own country with your stupid “USA first” moves.
Endure your own shit while we endure your shit…
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
No.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
Hybrid Regime is how I describe the US. It’s a weird limbo state between Democracy and Autocracy (because if this was a full autocracy, I wouldn’t have access to Lemmy and most anti-trump media would’ve been raided and shut down). Afaik, they aren’t doing exit controls yet.
The major difference between the US and PRC (where I came from), is that Americans seem more willing to resist the government compared to mainland Chinese, and these demonstrations in the US are actually being reported on, in China, its absolute silence, nobody even knows about the very little protests that do happen.
But, by the time EU starts accepting American Refugees, it’d probabably be too late and they would’ve imposed exit controls by then.
Idk what will happen, only time will tell.
NotSteve_@piefed.ca 7 hours ago
Its in a transitionary state but it’s erring there extremely quickly
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
It does but we’re in an act first ask questions later regime.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Yup, it just takes forever to get anything through the courts. We’re just now getting to the tariff nonsense, for example.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 6 hours ago
Nobody bothered to make federal agents wearing masks illegal, and eventually they decided to do it.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien
Cool, so I guess that means I can ignore evidence of the person/people at the door being law enforcement before enforcing my 2nd Amendment rights and state self-defense laws that also allow me to shoot to protect others.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
We should act on protecting our rights and then ask questions later.
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Um, Americans also realize they’re ABDUCTING people without their consent too, right? And have been, for like months now?
Packet@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
It has been years(let us remember Obama), it is only just now that drumpf is in office they realize that people are getting literally disappeared.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Most of us are well aware of that. I live in a neighborhood with a pretty high Hispanic population. ICE was reported just a few blocks from my house on Thursday, zero trick-or-treaters on Friday. There are still a discouraging about of people saying they support Trump and what he’s doing on Nextdoor. I want to believe they’re bots.
GaryGhost@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yup ice is in my neighborhood too, I’m trying to keep a look out and help anyone I can. I have a balaclava ski mask with prom night stitched into the forehead.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Hopefully they just don’t kno a how bad things are on the ground. Everything looks fine when your head is buried in the sand.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 13 hours ago
What is the point of comments like this. Yes, we realize this. Are you just hearing about it? Do we really have to face each new horror with admonishments that it is distracting us from the last horror?
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Time to start wearing face paint / face tattoos that fuck with facial recognition.
falcunculus@jlai.lu 9 hours ago
In their world, resisting surveillance will be probable cause for arrest, because you must have something to hide and need to be investigated.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
But it’s my religious markings from my officially recognized church.
Cybersteel@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Is that why cyberpunk media always has people wearing face tats.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Sometimes it’s explicitly called out for that reason ya. Can’t say all the time though.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I don’t think anything like that would help. Especially over the last several years with the huge rise of things like Snapchat filters where people can take photos of themselves in various situations with various costumes, various themes. I’m sure all of that was data mined for someone’s purpose.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 14 hours ago
Remember kids, Juggalo makeup defeats facial recognition. Woop woop!
return2ozma@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
arrow74@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
I also gear beards still confuse the system so that’s nice
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Alright, that’s it, I’m going full juggalo.
LMurch@thelemmy.club 13 hours ago
As they wear masks…
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
We can wear masks, too…for health reasons. I predict an increase in germaphobes.
Imagine if they actually try to ban medical face masks, not for some cockamamie pseudoscience reason, but because we don’t have the right to evade their facial recognition scheme?
Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf 15 hours ago
At this point there is no voting your way back to normal anymore. As others have pointed out, the Democrats will ratchet their way further to the right in order to take office again, and the surveillance state will continue to expand under their authority (albeit somewhat less rapidly)
The lower classes must wake up to this reality and take meaningful steps to remove the ownership class from power once and for all. Holding signs and chanting in a public square during a weekend won’t be enough, the rich and powerful must be in fear of their lives.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 hour ago
My area got flooded with Flock cameras during Biden’s last year. Both parties want the surveillance no question. But they also want to be in power. God I hate those cameras.
reddit_sux@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Imho surveillance state will grow even more rapidly with democrats, just not overtly. They will make a stronger big brother which the republicans will use to promote fascism.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Reminder to everyone that it is COVID season, so wear a mask for your health.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
And flu and cold season. Consider wearing gloves to keep your hands safe from diseases as well. Consider tinted glasses as well to keep the sun out of your eyes, and a hat or hoodie to protect from rain or snow.
Just basic health things, completely unrelated to cameras or anything.
Prox@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
So look,v this is just gonna happen. It’s legal to film people in public (in the US) and we all know stores, etc. are already using facial recognition.
The real problem here is the (apparent, though almost certainly assured) lack of responsible use of the data. Scanning faces means you also get time, place, and event/activity, and that citizens then have zero control of what the govt does with this, who they share it with (e.g. Palantir), etc. All prior collection of US person data required appropriate approval, limited scope of access, and timely adjudication/disposal. But ICE is (again, apparently) operating outside the law.
tourist@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Also, doesn’t this shit just waste like a fuckton of taxpayer money?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
That’s the beautiful thing, we just print more so people don’t notice how much we actually spend on things. Inflation goes brr, but people blame the corpos.
architect@thelemmy.club 16 hours ago
By design. They want America bankrupt.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Facial Recognition has always been racist this is nothing new in a broad sense.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
There’s always been facial rec. In the old days, they recognized that “He looks black, I bet he’s up to something.”
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Serious question, with all this surveillance, would it become a thing to always wear a full mask in public.
I know, feels weird to ask that post pandemic, but here we are.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
We aren’t post pandemic. They just want you to think we are.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
We are though. COVID has become endemic, which is the step after pandemic if the disease is not eradicated. So it’s like the flu now.
architect@thelemmy.club 16 hours ago
There are clothing that messes with it but the issue you will find is that with no one wearing them it puts an even bigger target on you.
Convenient they did that with the masks too.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Well that was my point, what if dressing up with masks and glasses (similar to ICE) becomes a trend.
It surely isn’t illegal so if enough people do it regardless of political alignment, it could break their process.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
A lot of cameras ID you by your eyes, so a medical mask wouldn’t really work. If you use a mask + something like Reflectacles, you’ll probably be okay.
Jhex@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
are you “there yet” America?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
We’re working on it, apparently.
Zephorah@discuss.online 17 hours ago
They use facial recognition on us while we are not allowed to see their faces.
These guys need de-masking.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
They need lifetimes in prison for treason and domestic terrorism.
Zephorah@discuss.online 17 hours ago
We will never get there while they are anonymous. The path to prison starts with de-masking.
You can’t prosecute what has no identification.