Feel like if it was another country they’d be sanctions or something already.
they are, by not giving tourism dollars to the welfare states, and not going to usa.
Why isn't the rest of the world doing anything about the USA?
Submitted 5 months ago by florge@feddit.uk to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This. Academics are avoiding the US. Job seekers are looking elsewhere. Suppliers are not sourcing from the US because it is unstable.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 5 months ago
Exactly. Nation states don’t need to do anything because the world’s economy is actively avoiding the US due to its instability and untrustworthiness.
I can only imagine what the next generation is going to have to deal with. Kind of makes me sad.
Strider@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Have a look into what other countries did with the rise of nazis.
Business liked it.
As a German, what do you think we could do? Even with our experience we’re having fun with the far right Afd and the other parties are basically doing everything to get more voters to them!
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
What we could do is build networks of interconnected support and arm/train ourselves.
jannaultheal@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What can anyone do? The USA has the strongest military force in the world.
And they are being “sanctioned” by tourists avoiding going to the USA
KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
Also the USA has nukes. No one’s going to invade us, because doing so would be a destructive act, and the final order of any armed state is to nuke its attackers. This is the same reason North Korea gets to remain its defiant self when their army could be obliterated in a few bombing runs. This isn’t even counting all the non-nuclear weaponry we have. Think of that annual budget of hundreds of billions of dollars in military spending that keeps getting raised every year…
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
As a US citizen, I would expect the rest of the world not do anything - the fuck have we done for them? And even if things had been done at some point, why rock the boat now?
Let the US collapse, boycott our exports, ridicule Trump when he travels. Fuck this country, let it burn.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
oh, no, you misinterpreted OP
they’re not wondering why nobody is helping. they’re wondering why nobody is cutting them off
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
Gotcha. Well, in that case, I think everyone should be cutting off more. I want to see the US economy get decimated.
(I realize I’m coming off super aggro, but I just don’t see how else everyone here is going to wake up)
njm1314@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Nations operate under a a zero sum game. They’ll never actually act unless it gets them something in return. Considering the potential risk in directly acting against the US it’d have to be a big return.
netvor@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Not acting “for free” does not mean zero-sum game.
I am no expert but I don’t think nations need to (or do, in general) operate on a zero-sum game. Actions can benefit both sides.
ruuster13@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Why didn’t the world sanction Russia over Chechnya or China over Tibet? It has to have a certain impact on everyone before they’ll do anything.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 5 months ago
Letting them rot in the outcome of everything they do now. I say that is a fair amount of doing something about them.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Never interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake.
Today@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m mostly surprised that there’s been little response to the boat blasting.
blargle@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 months ago
US "allies" haven't gotten the memo yet, US enemies aren't going to interrupt America while it's killing itself and non-aligned nations don't give a shit. Human rights abuses are almost never the real reason for sanctions, just like the US didn't invade Iraq to spread democracy.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 months ago
US "allies" haven't gotten the memo yet, US enemies aren't going to interrupt America while it's killing itself and non-aligned nations don't give a shit.
AA5B@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Seems like Canada is making an impact.
It may not be official sanctions but If there’s any credence to the news, it seems like there are movements to fund more reliable trading partners. It’s tough to make an immediate impact but we’ll see over time how much we’ve screwed ourselves. Will Canadian snowbirds come back? Will China (or anyone) buy our soybeans? Will manufacturers, such as for automobiles, be able to stay in business?
NotSteve_@piefed.ca 5 months ago
Will Canadian snowbirds come back?
Unlikely. The USA was already quite hated in Canada for the arrogance and exceptionalism of its citizens but this whole thing has sort of sealed the deal for most people here
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
The US was already mildly disliked for that general civilian arrogance but most Canadians overlooked it say 15 to 20 years ago. Now when American arrogance is recognized, its seen as unequivocally contentious vs. being harmlessly obnoxious.
I’ve met several Americans that seemed to think the financial might of Wall St or the sacred reverence with which they hold their constitution somehow made their existence more meaningful, fulfilling or even valid. They had the genuine belief that everyone wanted to be in their position even though their specific material circumstances were often worse and their priorities were warped in many ways.
From a Canadian perspective I might have put my hand on their shoulder and said “Cool”. Now I’d put my hand on their shoulder and say “You’re stupid” which is many ways more grace than some deserve.
whaleross@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The rest of the world has done various responses to the American trade war. Most everybody else has found other partners to do business with and those that haven’t are soon about to. America is not hurting other countries economically as much as they are hurting themselves. The entire ICE thing is terrible and it is too bad the government agencies have given in and that the military seems to be rolling with it too. But it is still domestic affairs as long there isn’t any proof of concentration camps or massacres or the like. We have lots of empathy for the people in America suffering from all of this.
But then again…
You guys have free elections and this is your democratically elected leader doing what he promised to do. You guys had him elected after he staged a failed coup once already. What do you expect the rest of the world to do about it? To save you guys from yourselves?
ABCatMom@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Never fails to surprise me that there are people in the US who expect the world to fix this for them. Sorry, it’s your country, you’ll have to figure out how to take it back. In the mean time the rest of us will work out new trade deals with other countries and arm ourselves in case your government decides to take their shit across the border.
NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Look, as an American, all I’m asking for is a little extrajudicial redition of Musk and Thiel by South Africa. If we could just get rid of some of the malevolent billionaires that have made the pilgrimage to the land of greed, we might stand a chance of holding on to some of our civil liberties.
expr@programming.dev 5 months ago
The OP is on reddit.uk, so most likely not an American.
The question is also just that, a question. Not an expectation.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
trump is literally issuing sanctions on his own citizens and they applaud him for it. i don’t think sanctions will work here 🤷♂️
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 months ago
Because there’s nothing to do anything about. Why would they be sanctioned?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Xi Jingping, Putin, and Trump are all having a feast with each other, meanwhile their respective countries’ citizens starve. We have more in common with the average people across borders than with our own leaders.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 months ago
To some extent, this has always been true.
It’s just that right now it’s worse than ever
WALLACE@feddit.uk 5 months ago
The US is already sanctioning itself through tariffs, and the rest of the crap is domestic problems.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
There are 200 countries and the US is one relatively small, isolated pocket making terrible decisions and hurting themselves. Many countries hurt themselves and the US is just one of them.
US problems benefit their rivals immensely and is influencing their allies to become more independent and form new local alliances, there’s no benefit to anyone to long jump into one isolated hornet’s nest.
Sanctions are specifically difficult against the US because 1) they’re largely hurting themselves, most countries don’t agree the US is doing the wrong thing about Palestine/ foreign/other policy to warrant sanctions and 2) the US has so much, albeit dwindling, legacy political and financial/banking influence that sanctions won’t make much of an impact.
If your dog starts defecating on the floor and rolling around in it, you clean up your dog.
If your neighbor starts defecating on their floor and rolling around in it, well…
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
How the fuck do you consider one of the largest countries, in literally every physical, economical, military, and basically every other metric… Small?
The fuck crack are you smoking. Cause that’s some good shit.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
The US certainly punches above its weight economically and militaristically. But its population is still a fraction of the global population and while it has wealth and lots of weapons, the rest of the world absolutely does have a say in how important we let it be.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
The world is muvh, much bigger than one sparsely populated country, and there are far more important metrics than the physical size of the US.
Metrics like population, geographic isolation, health care, political instability, violent crime, countless others that define a country, mark the US as an entity to be safely disregarded.
Thailand passed the US in health care years ago, China passed the US in renewable and next-gen tech, not to mention manufacturing, most countries citizens enjoy much more robust civil rights.
Yes, the physical country is large, but the US is s small, insecure, violent pocket of the world that people don’t need to pay nearly as much attention to as its groupies demand.
The US looks very tiny from out here, and even tinier from the inside after seeing some of the rest of the world.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
The last time the US enacted global tariffs, it created the Great Depression, which hit the entire globe and was one of the major contributing factors to the Nazis rise to power. What happens here might only be hurting Americans and killing American minorities at the moment, but the psychotic demagogue in charge here will have real international repercussions soon enough. Honestly though, I think the tariffs have done what international sanctions couldn’t do, which is help convince some of Trump’s cult that he’s the one hurting them. Sanctions would just let him blame the outside world.
You should keep in mind, it will take time for everybody else to truly divest themselves of the orange shit-gibbon and all the corporations based here, and that means time in which the fan spraying shit can turn towards Europe.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 months ago
putin benefits from countries becoming isolationists to some sort. so russia can eventually take over ukraine, and move onto other former soviet block countries.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
dog if you think the US is “relatively small”
look at what Nazi Germany, an even “smaller” country did – it started a world war and nearly took over an entire continent.
the fascist US, with a much larger influence, is an existential threat to the world.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
The US is small on a global scale but certainly big enough to destroy the world.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 months ago
The US is an existential threat to Canada and countries in the Americas that MAGA has bones to pick with. Maybe also Iran. The vast majority of the world is mostly safe, because America has no interest and/or capability to start shit there. For your Germany example, Hitler made it clear exactly what he wanted to do in Mein Kampf.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
The US looks bigger and more influential from the inside. Its tantrums look tiny and rambunctious from out here.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 months ago
…you call for a welfare check on them? I mean, clearly there’s some mental issues going on with your neighbor.
But what are you going to do? Go over there yourself??? Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Easy buddy. This is America. They probably have a gun, and are already proven to be mentally unstable! Plus, they’re covered in shit! I just cleaned my dog. I don’t want to smell MORE shit!
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
Yup, that’s basically what has happened.
Political leaders and journalists have visited and done “welfare checks” on the US, and came to the same conclusions you just have.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
And when your neighbor starts defecating in your house and also all your other neighbors houses and also onto their own wife and children in plain view of everyone else, daring them to do something all while their armies and aircraft carriers point in every direction including at themselves?
I think the answer is still you do nothing. But man would I like to be wrong on this one.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 5 months ago
Do yu mean Russia? Their attacks have resulted in external military buildup near borders, NATO assurances, local military alliances.
Russia’s aggression directly harms and threatens other nearby countries.
Different measures for different circumstances.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Most international markets run thru NYC, and thus America.
So while other countries can sanction, everyone that could make that call has money in rates in NYC and would risk personally being sanctioned.
It’s a huge fucking deal, and silver lining is other countries are most likely taking steps to become more independent.
Which is a good thing over all.
It’s kind of like the Fediverse really…
Current market is basically Facebook era. Everyone is using NYC, so if you get “banned” you lose access to a lot of stuff.
The Fediverse splits the load, and if banned from an instance you just lose the slice that didn’t like whatever you did.
I got a assume that other countries are doing it, since even now Texas is doing it:
The Texas exchange hopes to benefit from companies that are frustrated with regulations like Nasdaq’s Board Diversity Rule, and increasing compliance costs that come with listing on the exchanges, the Journal reported.
investopedia.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-…
So the rest of the world is freaking out Conservatives control the American market, and conservatives are also freaking out they control the American market…
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
The corrupt politicians of the world want to enable his idiocracy to make their own poor behaviour seem more socially acceptable internationally.
yaroto98@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think they’re just keeping their heads down and not poking the bear. He’s already blindly striking out at imaginary percieved insults. They’re just riding out the next few years and hoping to not make anything worse.
Plus, it’s not their job. It’s the US’s job to clean up the bed they shit in.
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
There’s absolutely no excuse for buying American goods services.
yaroto98@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Absolutely boycot the crap out of us.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, from the world’s perspective, this is a problem that solves itself in a few years. Plus, the idea of ‘doing something’ about a country is not a very common action. The most common action is to ignore the BS best you can, focus on building up allies, and focus on building up your own country.
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Why? US foreign policy hasn’t changed since manifest destiny so threats to attack are literally nothing new, it’s still ““aiding”” a lot of western countries with stationed soldiers in case some countries outside the western bloc decides to attack, nuclear tests is a bit more iffy after the cold war, but can easily be justified by wars breaking out…
There’s genuinely no reason to cut ties with US for any country, doing so would just shoot it in the foot since you lose one of the largest economies for trade.