Submitted 2 weeks ago by fort_burp@feddit.nl to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
It has nothing to do with anti-semitism, and in fact nothing to do with ethnicity at all.
Conversely, the people who today don’t protest against the Palestinian Genocide would not have protested against the Holocaust.
protests the Holocaust
“Oh my god, that’s so Germanaphobic! You monster!”
I would be 0% surprised if the 1930s version of that did in fact happen. “Those fucking poles can’t run a country, good on Hitler to show them how to keep their rabble in check” or something like that, and spoken in a transatlantic accent.
They did, they’re was a lot of backlash against anti-nazis, especially pre-holocaust. Partially because nazi propoganda was so effective across the world. But also partially because anti-Semitism was practically mainstream across the world.
US famously rejected a boat of 900 jewish and other German refugees cause 1 dude lied (these people would be sent back and 40% of them would later die in the holocaust). We were terrified of foreign spies, which is an attitude that culminated in it internment of the Japanese. We were offered Jewsih refugees many times, including children, we rejected them.
Jews becoming supremists, falling for a Reichstag fire event, staying quiet, and falling orders to comitt a genocide against a semite population is not something I had on my bingo card.
Do you know nothing of Israels history? Even before the country was formed (and before WW1) and it was Zionist extremists pouring into the region, this was always the end goal.
Einstein even clued onto what Israel was very quickly once he saw it.
I mean not exactly the same people because there are definitely some antisemitic shit heads that are using the protest as cover and are trying to radicalize people that rightfully protest the israeli government to also hate the israeli population.
The whole situation has nuance that I don’t see talked about a lot on here.
I’ve been to a pro-pal protests few around different cities and have never met any real anti-Semite on the side of the protest. I have, however, met a couple of counter protesters that hold the Israeli flag yet proudly call themselves white supremacists.
Not a lot of nuance to bombing hospitals.
Thank you for demonstrating the issue.
You’re not contradicting their point, you know?
guess what, Palestinians are the real semites in this genocide. israelis are european.
Who protested against the Holocaust?
That's against Nazis. Not a lot of people knew about the Holocaust outside of Germany.
I found this one, which happened in Berlin and led to the release of 1800 Jewish people (!).
University never apologised. Turns out universities always sided with fascism, that’s not a new thing
Resistance networks who hid and smuggled targets out of reach at the very least.
A form of protest, perhaps, but probably not what OP was thinking of.
I 100% agree but you do realize most people did not go out and protest the jewish holocaust while it was going on?
Do those protesting for Gaza also protest about Sudan, Yemen, Rohingya, West Sahara, Yezidis, Uyghurs, Christians in Nigeria, Kurds, and so on?
Yes.
Do those protesting for Gaza also protest about Sudan, Yemen, Rohingya, West Sahara, Yezidis, Uyghurs, Christians in Nigeria, Kurds, and so on?
Whenever I read this, I roll my eyes. This is one of the most ridiculous arguments.
You have to start somewhere and you can’t put your focus on everything. Plus your argument is a method to move the topic to “do you/they this and this and this and that?” Instead of the actual on-topic.
The OP‘s argument is exactly that.
Some do. Thing is, it’s a BIG world and someone somewhere is beng abused and oppressed at all times.
People and countries are also experiencing freedom, growth and democratic expansion.
Go visit the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and you’ll see a different protest every day.
It is on my way to work, so yes I see different protests going on. It’s not the same people though.
So you do finally admit that Israel is perpetrating a genocide in Gaza?
Yes.
Do you pick and choose what genocide you tolerate?
Well, yes. They do
I doubt that was a literal shower thought .
It sounds like one. It’s brief, reasonably presented and quite obvious.
I think wewbull is saying they would have to expend a lot of energy to have that kind of thought 🤭
with ZYKLON B showers.
I doubt it since the holocaust happened 70 years ago
Are you sure they were not just anti-germanic!?
its a bit more complex, sadly. german antifascist groups have been leaning towards being very zionist
You can’t be anti-fascist and pro-zionism. That’s like being against animal cruelty except for chickens.
I completely agree. anti-Deutsch have be3j internationally condemned
My current plan is to wait for my basic coworkers to have kids, and those kids to be old enough to ask “what did you do in the 2020s to fight fascism?”. They’ll lie and say they did a lot, and I’ll burst through the wall to shout “NO THEY DIDN’T. THEY DID SHIT. THEY STAYED HOME AND PLAYED VIDEO GAMES. YOUR DADDY IS A COWARD”.
Hopefully somehow this will result in my coworkers dying alone and unloved in a pit of shame or something.
But the reality is their egos are indestructible and they will always think they’re good people, and their kids will probably be the same.
And when the kid turns around to you and asks “What did you do to fight fascism”, you will say…?
Went to protests, volunteered for better candidates, tried to get other people involved. The bare minimum, perhaps, but more than another run of Baldur’s gate 3.
To be fair, most of Russian dissidents are angry about how the war is fought.
They would have wanted Ukraine to be taken over in a way that doesn’t spill Russians’ blood.
There are people in the Russia that are really against the whole war and want to see all of Ukraine’s territory liberated, but those are not many! I would estimate their number is somewhere between 100 and a bit over 1000 individuals. Among 140 million.
A good way to figure this is asking “who does Crimea belong to?"
Everyone who is really a dissident will say “Ukraine”, because in reality the case is crystal clear. Everybody who moved there knew it’s not part of the Russia in the same manner as other regions where the white-blue-red flag is waved. And yet they elected to.move there. It’s a sad thing they’ll need to move away, yes, but they knew or at least had the responsibility to know what they are doing. And this is what Russian dissidents (both of them…) think.
But almost all “dissidents” will say “it’s complicated” or something similar. That’s how you know a person protesting against how the war is done.
And let me say: it is statistically extremely unlikely that the deported ones were among those 0,00071 % of the Russia’s population that are real dissidents.
Jews in other countries probably protested against the Holocaust but most didn’t for the Gaza War(s)
Then there are those who ask to expand the Holocaust and increase the throughput that disengaged people indirectly support by not arguing/voting against their wishes at least.
Idk. I think that is a large factor. But there are also other large factors. Beside that one arabic group that is like the bros of isreal, i think like all arabic ppls are against palestinian genocide. aka i think it also has to do with who the involved parties are and the relationships linked cultural groups have to them.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean a Polish resistance fighter willingly infiltrated Auchswitz in 1941 and broke out in 1943 with incontrovertible evidence. They just weren’t taken seriously.
dustyData@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s nation-state apologia. They just ignored all the evidence because genocide wasn’t even defined yet in International Humanitarian Law, they just didn’t care. Remember that even the US had concentration camps inside the US for foreigners, almost all of them Japanese people. They just felt this was a normal thing armies did to control populations deemed risky (see the ghettoisation of black communities, history of segregation and the systematic wipe out of indigenous tribes). They knew, armies even went directly to the locations of the concentration camps, they already knew where almost all of them were. Like, inside Germany it was not entirely a secret either. German officials boasted about the whole thing in international forums and in propaganda.
The term Genocide, even, was coined by a polish-Jewish lawyer in 1942, Raphael Lemkin precisely because of what was known at the time of what the Nazis were doing against Jewish people and his own experiences surviving the Holocaust.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Based.
Honestly it sounds like we need to go back to his definition of genocide. So many have since been led to believe it can only look like a Zyklon B shower.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Concentration camps yes, but Death Camps with gas chambers and crematoria, not intended to hold people for any longer than it took to “exterminate” them, were new. Even slave-labor camps of the sort where inmates were starved and worked to death were frowned upon, not considered normal. That’s why the Nazi lied, and created false camp films for propaganda.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Is there any other way?
starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Earth” already knew before the war started.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
you’d think we’d be able to see the genocidal intent of the arabs easier given this experience, although it began before wwii