I deal with Junior devs that don’t even actually understand how it works now. Much less how it worked in the 90s. Routing is sysops, HTML is designers, storage is for DBAs. All they learn in coding boot camp is how react works, and even then, they don’t actually understand what it’s doing.
I've been alive for the entire narrative of the internet and it's crazy to think any of the newer generations will be able to sort it all out for themselves.
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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invertedspear@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
In all industries the workers is eventually alienated from the process of production through specialization. They need not know the process of manufacture or how the machine functions. They must only know their part in it.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately this is inevitable since it all has gotten really complex and large - not just the internet btw, just computing in general, of which the internet is a large part of course.
But teaching the basics and the history should be required imho.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So for an old fart like me, C/C++, netcode and multi threading senior, it’s all over?
LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
We have ai now. It will explain.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Lol
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure it was Al Gore who invented the Internet.
And if we say it enough, the AI will make it true.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Are you sure?
Oh sorry about that, it was invented by Francis Bacon when a wheelbarrow hit him in the chin.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The way things are going, physical media will be a thing if the past, from records to DVDs to Video game cartridges, our entire existence has revolved around physical media, but people went without for thousands of years before us, and people will go without after us. We are a very unique blip in history.
Sunschein@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I was explaining to my kid what a cassette was, and then I realized that I had to explain what physical media was first. Like, no, movies and music didn’t always just materialize out of the magic light-box.
Also had to explain to a nephew what the save icon was. That was funny.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The mediaiferous period.
MimicJar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So I’ve always felt this way about video games.
Can you imagine a kids first Mario game being Mario Wonder? That’s a twist on Mario games, it’s not the base Mario!? They won’t understand what makes it an interesting new game!
But the thing is, it’s fine. Everything new is old. Plus it’s the Internet, it’s impossible to actually sort out everything.
Like, what is Roblox? I know it’s some online game. Then I saw John Green play Roblox with his daughter. It was a dress up simulator. That’s Roblox?
Or how about the song Gangnam Style? I remember when that reached 1 billion views on YouTube. That was a moment. But then remember Despacito? When I first heard that song it was already at 1.2 billion views. How could I clearly remember the first billion views video, but completely miss it happening again?
Think about the entirety of history that happened before you. How did you sort that out?
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I get the basic gist, but can you elaborate on this please:
it’s crazy to think any of the newer generations will be able to sort it all out for themselves.
Sort what out? Learn the history of the internet? Why wouldn’t they?
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
A lot has happened. A lot you can never experience again. All things that teach you about the nature of a giant network like this. The types of groups that form. The types of culture. Things to watch out for. Things to question.
As another pointed out, some will come to understand but most will just come to believe this iteration of the internet is how it’s always been.
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re just describing reality. Certainly not specific to the internet.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I think I get what you mean; history will have dates and numbers but little narrative. OTOH this is recent and most people are still alive, and, you know, we have the internet, so write about it in blogs and on social media, lest we forget!
Rothe@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
They will learn its history as well as they will learn all other kinds of history. Which means some of them will be really proficient, but most will only know a smidgen of truths and half-truths, because most people don’t really care about history.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Wait, explain how Neopets was Scientology again?”
“What was the purpose of the hamster dance?"
Geocities?
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Well, ideally that’s what parents are supposed to help with. But it seems a lot of parents would rather have legislation pushed that make it so they don’t have to actually parent their own fuckin kid.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Exactly what is the “entire narrative of the Internet” and when did it start?
What is there to sort out?
shalafi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I peg the start around 1994. By then it was a household term, computers and dial up were fast becoming ubiquitous, people were learning to navigate the web, etc.
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
A lot of people equate ‘the internet’ with the web, which would be 1989.
Others will point to when they got their first email address, some years before that.
Really though, you should be looking at the beginning of ARPANET, which goes back to 1969.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah on all of the above.
ripcord@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Narrative…?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Well, you see kiddo, it all started with the Eternal September and it’s been downhill ever since. Also your music is too loud and stay off my lawn.
coaxil@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Legit take me back, modern front facing side of the net is fucking awful
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Wadidya say sonny? Yes I do like raisin bran! (First time visiting Amsterdam)
EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Believe it or not, there used to be a time when companies weren’t invading every part of your life with ads.
Ads were 6 minutes of garbage between TV, and between the pages of magazines and newspapers.
People would talk to each other on the phone. No ads. Mark their calanders to get together if they felt like it. No ads. Then actually meet up. Some ads.
Now, when you talk to anyone you know on Facebook? Ads. Any social media? Ads. Opening Google calander? Ads. Twitter? The person you’re talking to is an bot /ad. I don’t even have to be watching an actual TV show now to be served ads on my TV. Just turning it on gives me an ad.
These ads are from organizations trying to spin you a narrative urging you to give them money. The strategies they use for this are fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Things like: “Don’t miss out on that Lububu!” “Make sure to book your tickets for the movie opening next week!” “Make sure to buy this pillow before liberals take it from you.”
People now believe these narratives simply because they’ve been shoved into every aspect of our lives via social media.
These ads, collectively, are not something that ever existed in any society to the amount they do now. So it’s absolutley no surprise that the “narrative” these ads are telling us is completely warping people’s minds.
People still think Fox News is news. Simply because that’s how it’s advertised.
ripcord@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not sure that’s what they meant, but OK
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And so it goes for all of history
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I mean, I haven’t been alive for all of history unless the self-centered universe is a thing.
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I was thinking more along the lines of someone in 1810 thinking the same thing you think about the internet for, like the French Revolution
jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
only for the intellectually diverse
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
?
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Now that’s a new interesting insult 😁