cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37019722
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I honestly don’t get why anyone would have bought an Intel in the last 3-4 years. AMD was just better on literally every metric.
Bye Intel, hi AMD! I’m done after 2 dead Intels
Submitted 1 day ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2025-09-07-bye-intel-hi-amd-9950x3d/
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Decq@lemmy.world 1 day ago
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
If your use case benefited from Quicksync then Intel was a clear choice.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Older Intel CPUs are the only ones that can play 4K BluRays on the player itself and not just ripping to a drive. Very niche use case but that is one I can think of.
Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 1 day ago
Idle power is the only thing they are good at, but for a homeserver a used older cpu is good enough.
Decq@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Was that even true for comparable CPU’s? I feel this was only for their N100’s etc.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 15 hours ago
KiwiTB@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Looks like they didn’t have adequate cooling for their CPU, killed it… Then replaced it without correcting the cooling. If your CPU hits 3 digits, it’s not cooled properly.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
If your CPU hits 3 digits, therm throttling isn’t working properly, because it should kick in before it hits that point.
frongt@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
The article (or one of the linked ones) says the max design temperature is 105°C, so it doesn’t throttle until it hits that.
Which makes me think it should be able to sustain operating at that temperature. If not, Intel fucked up by speccing them too high.
chloroken@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
laughs in 8700k
When I overclock this old chip (which it was built for) it can hit over 100 with proper cooling. Some chips are hot as fuck. I think this one shuts off at 105.
nuko147@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That’s not the case. 100% for new CPUs, but also for old ones too.
My father’s old CPU cooler did not make good contact, got lose in one corner some how, and the system would throttle (fan at 100% making noise and PC run slow). After i fixed it, in one of my visits, CPU was working fine for years.
System throttles or even shuts down before any thermal damage occures (at least when temperatures rise normally).
lemming741@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Pretty much anything with a heat spreader should be impossible to accidentally kill. Bare die? May dog have mercy on your soul.
fleck@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
damn… its sitting at 301 Kelvin currently…
victorz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What if it hits around 90°C during Vulkan shader processing? 😅 Otherwise like 42–52 idle. How’s that? I’m wondering if my cooling is sufficient.
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s fine, modern CPUs boost until they either hit amperage, voltage, or thermal constraints, assuming the motherboard isn’t behaving badly then the upper limits for all of those are safe to be at perpetually.
missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
If you’re talking about the Steam feature you can safely turn it off, any modern AMD GPU running mesa radv (the default driver in most distros) should be sufficient to process shaders in real-time thanks to ACO.
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
Slight under volt, or upgrade cooler. 90c is too hot sustainably. Idle high 40s to 50s is not the best. Find a better air cooler or use a 240 AIO atleast.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
AMDs 7000 series CPUs were designed to boost until they hit 95c, then maintain those temps. 9000 series behaves differently for boosting, but the silicon can handle it.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 14 hours ago
The computer I bought should last me about 10 years. I spent a fuckload of money on it. The next comp will have to be done entirely with as little starting google and privacy violating shit as possible.
And I am certain AMD will make better stuff by then.
fleck@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I’m still rocking an i7 4790k and its >10 years old! Judging from the other comments it seems the intel issue is more of a recent one though. If I ever configure a new PC, I’ll check out AMD for sure.
modus@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’m still using the same chip on an Asus mobo. No problems here.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I was an intel guy most of my life, Intel on all the hand-me-downs I got from my grandfather’s appliance store, Intel on my first gaming PC in 2008 til 2012, Intel on the 2012-2019 PC, it wasn’t until I built my current PC in 2019 that I Switched because of the Meltdown / Spectre / Etc issues, largely just out of reputation not actually understanding them.
Sufficed to say, I left in 2019 and have had no reason to return.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I’ve swapped back and forth between brands since I built my first computer almost 30 years ago. It was intel forever until AMD showed up with their early Athlons, amazing CPUs for the price. Then Intel fought back with with their Core 2 Quads, AMD with Thunderbirds, back to intel with their higher i-series, up until about 2-3 years ago and now AMD’s Ryzen offering the better performance/$ again. It’s too bad intel seems to be unable to keep costs competitive and maintain quality. I’ve never had a CPU quit on me yet (knock on wood). Motherboards, RAM, PSUs, sure.
kieron115@startrek.website 13 hours ago
I know this is sort of still doable with aliexpress kits, but I miss the days of being able to make “weird” builds. My first build was an Athlon XP-M 2500+. It was a mobile chip that was just a binned desktop chip. It used the same socket as desktop, had no IHS, and ran at a “lower voltage” thanks to the binning. Overclockers DREAM in back in like 2005.
Soup@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Intel’s strategy seems to be just chugging power into the CPU and hoping for the best.
It feels kinda like there’s a race and one person’s breathing hard and sweating bullets only to have another runner breeze past them like it’s nothing.
Knossos@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I built a new PC recently. All I needed to see were the benchmarks over the last 5 years. There’s currently no contest.
the16bitgamer@programming.dev 1 day ago
I went from Ryzen 1000 to intel 12000 since I need single threaded performance above all else (CAD). Plus it was a steal of a deal.
If Intel ever sorts out their drivers or it gets cheap enough I might for at 14000 chip but no further.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 day ago
I’d probably just warranty the CPU and assume it was a defect instead of blame the entire company.
But yeah amd is the better choice for everything atm except x86 power efficiency laptop chips.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
Which is fine. Potentially part of the huge known issue with the last couple of generations of Intel chips which affected a huge swath of CPUs, foxes have been released, but damage has been done - that alone would make me dubious about them going forward.
The more immediate issue though is, my CPU failed, I need to find some time to take the PC apart, safely box up the the CPU, figure out the intel rma procedure, ship it off, wait for intel to assess the cpu, hope they accept responsibility, ship me a new CPU and then find the time, once again, to take the PC apart to put the CPU back in. Twice. And I’ve been without PC for the entire time. And they most likely knew about the issues before the second gen of defective chips they launched. And it’s not even the better chip as you mention. I’d be sufficiently pissed off to stay away.
rezad@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
care to explain that last part?
for example if I want to by a new laptop right now, do I buy intel? because it has better power usage? is that only idle and/or lower usage power? what about if I just plus the laptop to power socket always (like a simple desktop), then amd is better with respect to performance per watt?
Fizz@lemmy.nz 16 hours ago
Intel has its core ultra line up which has more efficiency cores like 1:4 ratio. This isnt great for intensive workloads but its great for general everyday use on battery.
When you’re plugged in power usage no longer matters so having an Intel CPU sucks because yoy are getting less preformance for your dollar.
Also amd is more price to preformance and still has good battery life so you really do get the most value.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 day ago
“Do you need to transcode video?
Then leave Intel the fuck alone.”
Been my rule for 20 years, and it’s worked good so far.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s odd, their GPUs are doing fine, a market they are young in, but their well established CPU market is cratering
Business majors suck.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Sure, if by doing fine you mean looking alright in benchmarks while having zero supply because they don’t make money selling them and thus don’t want to produce them in any significant amount.
KingRandomGuy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Their GPU situation is weird. The gaming GPUs are good value, but I can’t imagine Intel makes much money from them due to the relatively low volume yet relatively large die size compared to competitors (B580 has a die nearly the size of a 4070 despite being competing with the 4060). Plus they don’t have a major foothold in the professional or compute markets.
I do hope they keep pushing in this area still, since some serious competition for NVIDIA would be great.
kreskin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
they always did, even back in college.
iopq@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I transcode video with nvenc, I don’t need Intel
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 15 hours ago
Can nvenc do dual pass encodings these days?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
yeah quicksync is the only reason i put an intel in my NAS.
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 1 day ago
It was ok until he said the AMD chip consumed more power. It is a X3D chip that is pretty much a given, if he’d gone for a none X3D chip he’d have saved quite a bit of power especially at idle. Plus he seems to use an AMD chip like an Intel chip with little or no idea how to tweak its power usage down
xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 day ago
I’ve got a 9700X and it absolutely rips at only 65W
oranges_in_my_a55@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Same here, that thing fucks and stays very cool doing it
HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Interesting, so it’s not only their recent-ish (either 12th or 13th gen and up, iirc) laptop CPUs that die under normal load.
postall@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ah ha ha. I had my second ryzen die yesterday in a row. No load, no overclocking, just in the middle of coding. Fack AMD and fack Intel. I’m gonna go buy a Mac Mini.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Those M chips ARE pretty amazing.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Probably a bad motherboard then. CPUs generally don’t just die, unless there’s some kind of excess voltage or something. If you weren’t aggressively overclocking, that sounds like the mobo isn’t doing a great job at controlling voltage. It could also be a bad PSU, the CPU is the last thing I’d suspect on the second failure.
postall@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Boards are different, Asus and Asrock, power supplies cheap Zalman and expensive DeepCool. It doesn’t matter. It’s not supposed to happen! And it has never happened before, until they started making some wild voltage controls.
iopq@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
It just happens, it’s a lottery
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
CPUs don’t die very often without something being very wrong with your system.
Could be the PSU or motherboard
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Most likely your motherboard. Asus and ASRock have been fucking up recently.
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I knew Michael Stapelberg from other projects, but I just realized he is the author of the i3 Window Manager. Damn!
callouscomic@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Somehow I figured out Intel was shit early on. Been AMD for like 15-20 years.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
15-20 years is silly. Intel was the clear leader for a long time before Ryzen in 2017, and arguably a few years after that too.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
Yuuup! The last time AMD was better before Ryzen was the Athlon 64 era.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Similar reasons I hate Hitachi and Western Digital hard drives. They always fucking fail.
You misspelled Seagate.
My WD drives have been great, but my Seagates failed multiple times, causing data loss because I wasn’t properly protecting myself.
frongt@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
All manufacturers have bad batches. Use diversity and keep backups.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I was in AMD in the 2000s for two reasons: price and competition to Intel. Intel had massive anti-trust loss to AMD around that time, and I wanted AMD to succeed. I stuck with them until Zen was actually competitive and stayed with them ever since because they actually had better products. Intel was the king in both performance and power efficiency until that Zen release, so I really don’t know where that advice would’ve come from.
As for Hitachi and Western Digital, WTF? Hitachi hasn’t been a thing for well over a decade since they sold their HDD business to WD, and WD is generally as reliable or better than its competition. It sounds like you were impacted by a couple failures (probably older drives?) and made a decision based on that. If you look at Backblaze stats, there’s not a huge difference between manufacturers, just a few models that do way worse than the rest.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Just for interest. Why did you buy Intel in the first place. I don’t know about many use cases where Intel is the superior option.
Kissaki@feddit.org 15 hours ago
I started buying Intel CPUs because they allowed me to build high-performance computers that ran Linux flawlessly and produced little noise.
I find it funny that they mention noise level, as if the CPU itself were making noise. I’ve bought silent fans all my life, separately from CPUs.
Allero@lemmy.today 20 hours ago
Better energy efficiency overall.
Other than that - maybe some habit.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
They have better idle efficiency, but if your PC is not on and idle 24/7 for some reason, AMD is more efficient.
vikingtons@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’d never heard of arrow lake dying like raptor has been? wild.
dan69@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
It was a sign for me when Amazon sent me two od the same chips. Thank you!!