This person has no sense of security.
My petty gripe: forced software updates just make everything worse
Submitted 7 months ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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stoly@lemmy.world 7 months ago
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Remember the early 2000s? Updates would regularly add shitty bloat and break features. Upgrading to the latest version of anything was always a bad move.
It’s only maybe the last ten years or so that we have expected updates to fix shit and not break it…
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That bad times are back, unfortunately. In all aspects of life.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 7 months ago
I have to say, I don’t think this has ever happened to me. I don’t buy smart devices, I use few commercial apps. Forced updates are not that common in open source world. Just look for products made by people with passion. Those might be a bit more expensive but you will see it’s worth it in the long run.
barryamelton@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If you have an asshole that does a bad job for a handyman, you will learn to fear the fixes.
It’s not the regularity that is the problem, is the people delivering the fixes. Change manufacturers and software providers. I promise you there is software that is reliable, doesn’t get worse over time, respects your freedom, and treats you like a human bring instead of a conduit from your bank account to theirs.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
As in, switch to Linux and learn to enjoy using computers again.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The hard part is everyone pretending it isn’t on purpose
iopq@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The android update forever crippled my OnePlus 3. It used to sleep an unlimited number of applications in the background and went to not being able to run two apps without killing the second one
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I have a security camera by a very popular brand, and much to my surprise, I was suddenly unable to use it unless I updated to the latest firmware.
The thing is, the update software said that I was on the latest version.
It took days, physical intervention with a ladder to gain access to the camera, and the company tech support, to force an update to the camera, allowing me to use it once again.
That made me realize that the expensive security cameras I’m using aren’t mine, and might as well be rentals. Because the company could, at any time, render my entire system useless unless I meet their demands, which could be a forced subscription or worse.
The enshittification of paid hardware has no bounds!
fuzzzerd@programming.dev 7 months ago
What’s the brand we should look out for?
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
This specific brand is Reolink, but I have no doubt that other brands do the same thing.
Danitos@reddthat.com 7 months ago
The company could, at any time, render my entire system useless unless I meet their demand
That’s already happening. Louis Rossman has a saga on the topic, including the company threatening legal action against him.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 7 months ago
On the other hand DoS attacks frequently depend on systems that haven’t had security updates to build up their zombie army.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 months ago
Yet updates on commercial platforms* rarely allow you to do separate between security upgrades and everything else.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 months ago
In my personaly experience, an update actually breaking shit isn’t even a common ocurrence outside of a few terrible developers that always break things with updates.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 months ago
AFAICS the author is talking about UX getting worse, not actual breakage. He describes a classic case of platform decay.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
The solution isn’t being able to stay on old versions. Software should improve over time, not fuck you over
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Software should improve over time, not fuck you over
Gotta remember most software is capitalist. Fucking you over as much as possible is the primary goal.
Sxan@piefed.zip 7 months ago
Anoþer aspect of þis is how it drives our behaviors.
Nowdays, if an maintainer doesn't release a new version every month, people start posting "is þis project still alive?" and call it abandoned.
Ledivin@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You only notice the bad updates. There are probably over a hundred good ones for each annoying one that you notice.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No one remembers how vulnerable windows server and windows desktop OS’s were before they revamped updates?
Forced updates are great. The internet is safer.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Forced updates a shitty solution to a much bigger problem: proprietary software.
sanpo@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Yeah, I remember, now we still have Windows being vulnerable, but in addition we also have untested changes pushed automatically to paying customers.
Forced updates are great!
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 months ago
Debian: am I a joke to you?
(security upgrades are separate from everything else)
Zykino@programming.dev 7 months ago
Are you the one user of this OS Server side? /s
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Why did they write such shit software in the first place? No, they don’t get off the hook.
JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Processors change, libraries become deprecated or vulnerable, design paradigms shift, and new integrations become possible that weren’t there when the application first launched. Should we blame old house builders for using asbestos when they didn’t know how poorly that would end up?
cygnus@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
All software is either shit to begin with or becomes shit when it gets big enough. If a Linux distro were forced to maintain as much legacy cruft as Windows it would be shit too.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Let’s look at your code from 20+ years ago?
whaleross@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Security packed and system updates is one thing.
The constant reorganization of functions and apps and layouts and compatibility is a very different one.
It is a problem that the operating system is controlled by the largest apps and service company that make money from user data in various forms and keep pushing their business model in every device core operations.
And fuck fuck fuck that Google keeps trying to force Gemeni in every update. Let me keep using Google Assistant and stop making it worse by stripping out functionality or replacing shortcuts to Gemeni. Gemeni can still not do the very few things I want my voice assistant to do, namely set alarms and play music on whatever music streaming service I prefer to use.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
No one remembers how vulnerable windows server and windows desktop OS’s were before they revamped updates?
I remember how much it sucked when ignorant users ignored updates forever and MS didn’t really seem to give much of a shit about security anyway, yes.
MS is a great choice if you want to borrow a computer that someone else controls. Less so if you want a computer that is actually yours.
sykaster@feddit.nl 7 months ago
For most people it won’t matter, they just want something that works.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Until they force an update that bricks your device because they want money from you upgrading hardware
br3d@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This is a good point, but the issue is that vendors have abused this need by not just pushing security updates, but also regular rewrites that make the products more invasive/full of language model shit - Exhibit A being anything at all from Microsoft
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You can’t maintain security and feature changes separately long term.
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
or changing their product from a one time purchase to a subscription model, I predict there’s gonna be a lot more of that with this new forced app updates change.
ctry21@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Going from One UI 6 to One UI 7 on a Samsung has made me very excited to go get a used pixel or fairphone and install a custom ROM instead. Absolutely abysmal update.
candyman337@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m on a Pixel 8 with lineageOS with microg and I LOVE it. Be prepared for some apps to be a little wonky, I had to install aurora store to download balatro because it said my phone wasn’t compatible from the official app store. I’ve had more issues because I’m also rooted though, so there will probably be less to deal with if you just use lineage. Not sure if it’s because it’s lineage OS or the root, but Authy doesn’t let me login, but I just use my password manager for 2fa now anyway so that’s fine.
ctry21@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
That’s good to hear! I’ve ADBed almost all of the Google & Samsung stuff off my phone already so I’m well used to fighting with Aurora to download certain apps by now. Nearly all my apps are from F-droid as well so that will make the transition a lot easier, and I do a lot of self hosting so I’m not relying on any proprietary services that are going to demand play services be installed. Balatro on my steam deck already steals enough of my time, so honestly if my phone won’t let me install it that’s probably for the best.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 months ago
Congrats you discovered Enshittification
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
When is this fad going to end?!
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
When capitalism ends.
scarabic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
People have been complaining about the world going to hell in a hand basket since before hand baskets. There’s just a fun new word for it.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I was about to say that this is ironic coming from the guardian, but their website isn’t anywhere as spammy without Adblock as I remember. Good on you, guardian.
MurrayL@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They’re still doing ‘pay up or allow all cookies’ popups, so definitely not good on them as far as I’m concerned.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
We have decided to charge for what was previously included… Substantially changing the parameters of the established contract
Suck it
Corporations are basically just criminals now