Schools are using AI to spy on students and some are getting arrested for misinterpreted jokes and private conversations

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• AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is something fundamentally fucked up in a country that arrests and puts in jail a 13 years old kid over a bad joke.

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  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And strip-searched!

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    • arin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Without notifying parents

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  • huquad@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You don’t understand, they are brown \s

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  • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But can’t put the pedo convicted felon grifter behind bars…

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  • artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The result of "no tolerance policies".

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  • muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are schools not government organisations (in most cases) and would they not be subject to the first amendment?

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    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The first amendment is not absolute - things like threats are not protected speech. Although I agree that in this case there might be a case that her constitutional rights were violated, I suspect it would be dismissed as having been a justifiable action from the administration/police who “couldn’t dismiss a credible threat” or something equally bullshit…

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• A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  With the help of artificial intelligence, technology can dip into online conversations and immediately notify both school officials and law enforcement.

  Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the professionals here, not the police) go through the positives first.

  But oh, that would mean having to pay somebody, at least some extra hours, in addition to the no doubt expensive software. JFC.

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  • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the professionals here, not the police) go through the positives first.

    The idea behind the policy is to stop school shootings. If there were a legitimate threat of violence, you would likely want the police to be notified as soon as possible. The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.

    They have literally sacrificed an essential freedom for some temporary, and probably illusory, security.

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    • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Man, if only there was a good way to stop school shooting

      Alas, one can only dream

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    • 6nk06@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      the policy is to stop school shootings

      You should try Europe once. It’s more fun than your 3rd world country.

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    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The police are not effective at dealing with school shootings.

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    • db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Authorities be like “aww shoot, not again.”

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    • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.

      Yeah, at the very least, the software should be passing on the statement, and context surrounding it, along with its ‘judgment’, to the authorities, putting all the responsibility for making the call that X genuinely merits action on said authorities.

      Of course, that’s just one piece of the puzzle, and not a solution if law enforcement isn’t held accountable when they fuck up.

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  • verdigris@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I hate how fully leapfrogged the conversation about surveillance was. It’s so disgusting that it’s just assumed that all of your communications should be read by your teachers, parents, and school administration just because you’re a minor. Kids deserve privacy too.

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  • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The cruelty is the point.

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• a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Holy shit, the amount of surveillance the teens are under is ungodly and people blame the chatbot? And there wasn’t even a human kind enough to speak with the girl before calling the fucking cops? I see a lot of blame to place here, but it’s not the chatbot who is to blame.

  • The kids for bullying her for her tan
  • The school boards implementing the surveillance
  • The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
  • The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
  • The person calling the cops
  • The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents

  Everyone of them failed a 13 year old girl. All of them should be ashamed.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The cops for arresting an 8th-grader

    This is America, that’s what they do. They love overreacting to small problems.

    I was arrested for self-defence in a highschool fight, the actual bully who attack me did not get in any sort of trouble. If I didn’t have citizenship, there was a chance that incident could’ve led to my deportation, even tho I was a minor. (USCIS can see all your arrests, including those that did not led to a conviction, or even expunged or pardoned offences, and they could retroactively revoke your legal status if they find out you lied.) But luckily charges were dropped because of couse they don’t have the evidence to prove it and I have a clean record so they didn’t bother prosecuting.

    There is probably an alternate timeline somewhere out there in the multiverse where I got deported and had to learn another language that I haven’t spoken for over a decade. Depressing to think about.

    (Well that is still technically a possibility, all they have to do is make up some bullshit about “being a spy” and put me in gitmo)

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    • CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m in Canada and it’s only marginally better with respect to police under/overreaction. A friend and I once got the “don’t go to school on X day” message and we went immediately to local, provincial, and federal police. No one took us seriously. We had a friend working at CSIS (American analogue would be CIA) look into it and later that week we saw the article in a local paper.

      Police investigated the home and found:

      • 5000 rounds of ammunition
      • body armor
      • explosives
      • only thing he couldn’t get was legal firearms because of his history of mental illness, but he had been working on connections to acquire illegal ones

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      Point being we couldn’t get the police to lift a finger to check out what we believed to be a credible threat (this guy never even joked about that stuff), but boy were they willing to burn rubber racing to my school when I committed the crime of defending myself in a “normal” school fight and one of my bullies claimed they felt threatened by me. This event set off a whole series of events, like requiring me to get a full evaluation at a psychiatric facility, before being allowed back in school. Our system is broken.

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    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They love overreacting to small problems.

      It’s what they do instead of reacting to major problems in any way.

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    • JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      One of my possible theories is that the alternate timelines diverge for each of us at moments we could have died. The timeline diverges and one continues on with us and one without us; sometimes while “dying” timelines merge back together resulting in stories like reddit’s r/glitchinthematrix

      So if it’s any consolation, your bully probably died in your deportation timeline.

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  • sik0fewl@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ya, AI is not the story here.

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  • Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The kids for bullying her for her tan

    To me it didn’t sound like she was being bullied, it seemed like her friends made a stupid joke and then she responded with another stupid joke. Which makes it even stupider that she got arrested. Literally just kids being kids.

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• NotSteve_@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The US will do anything and everything except try proper gun control

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  • BetaBlake@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Proper gun control? Nah let’s spy on kids

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    • thejml@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s for the children!!

      /s

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    • SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, rather, to monitor future slaves so that they are obedient.

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• Ontimp@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is exactly what is going to happen with the fucking chat control of the EU actually enforces it, but for an entire continent. Fuck this shit. Privacy is a human right.

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  • peetabix@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    fightchatcontrol.eu

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    • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I am Canadian, how can I help? Because this shit is coming to Canada, too.

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Arrested and strip-searched for a first offense? That’s fucking ridiculous. I hope the lawsuit succeeds. It’s the only peaceful tool we have to curb over-zealous law enforcement.

  Before the morning was even over, the Tennessee eighth grader was under arrest. She was interrogated, strip-searched and spent the night in a jail cell, her mother says.

  Earlier in the day, her friends had teased the teen about her tanned complexion and called her “Mexican,” even though she’s not. When a friend asked what she was planning for Thursday, she wrote: “on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s.”

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  • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is an ass-covering response to school shootings, because some of the shooters have expressed their intent before.

    A strip search obviously isn’t necessary even if it’s a credible threat; a metal detector wand and basic pat down is more than enough to ensure someone doesn’t have a gun. This wasn’t a credible threat though, and a chat with the school counselor would have been the right way to handle this.

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    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, that was my first thought too. I can see the need to take anything that resembles an actionable threat seriously, but that poor kid did not deserve to be abused by law enforcement like that.

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• 2910000@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Students who think they are chatting privately among friends often do not realize they are under constant surveillance

  This is the problem

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  • Aggravationstation@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yea, if nothing else hopefully this will make at least a few kids think about online privacy.

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• kalkulat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lots of wannabe authoritarians out there in educationland.

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  • krunklom@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I couldn’t agree more.

    It’s fucking pathetic.

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Citizen! Good news! Your writings have been randomly selected by Friend Computer for review!

      A select team of Troubleshooters has been dispatched to bathe your general area in soothing Raytheon ^™^ Brain Beams until your attitude improves.

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• Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The whole trend of teens rejecting phones for dumbphones is making sense now. If you can’t fight big mainstream technology, then fuck big mainstream technology!

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  • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    and then it’s even worse, you go through sms which is even less confidential

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    • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      …In a way yes, in a way no. A phone that’s SMS and Calls only has a few advantages. One is that other apps can’t spy on SMS because there aren’t other apps to spy on the SMS. The SMS vulnerabilities en-route still exist, sure, but you’re no longer being monitored by Apple, Google or anyone else by default.

      Sure, the ideal situation is for all of them to get on Signal, XMPP, Briar, SimpleX… fucking roll a D20. They’re all better than the choice they’ll actually pick.

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  • cannon_annon88@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As soon as my pixel 8 shits the bed I’m going back to a dumbphone

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    • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m gonna snag another used Oneplus phone that has decent community love and keep rolling custom roms until Google stops me.

      …and once they stop me(in ten years or so), a dumphone with tethering and a secondary device. And if they implant a chip into my brain, I’ll go luddite, live in the woods, read poetry and eat mushrooms.

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• xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You know what really grinds my gears? This shitty dystopia completely eschews any potentially cool aspect of invasive exploitative authoritarianism. The (not so) secret police is patching together their own “uniforms” by browsing the bargain bins at the local tacti-cool mall-ninja outfitters. Where’s the black leather trench coats, stylish sun glasses worn after dark and slicked back hair. If they’re going to ask my for ‘ze papers’ all the time, the least they can do is look cool. At least get Hugo Boss to design your attire; that’s just about the only thing that worked out well for the last bunch of pricks.

  I mean, where’s the towering brutalist architecture? Where’s my mandatory daily dose of SOMA? Or my idiotically wirelessly hackable cyberware? Hell, they can’t even do bread and circuses right anymore. The bread is CO2-pumped flour glue and the circuses is an endless stream of more Marvel projects and Disney violations of Star Wars.

  And don’t get me started on the quality of our dictators these days. They sure don’t make them like they used to.

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  • Reverendender@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can’t they at least smoke cigarettes in a cool and threatening manner?!

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    • xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think that’s illegal now too. Can’t have anything interfering with the glorious vision of a relentlessly productive citizenry that ideally slave away for the benefits of their owners until they die in the office chair at age 74 - right before qualifying for pension.

      Well, except for the health “care” system. That’s an exception, but only because the only thing better than ruthless exploitation is diversified ruthless exploitation. Gotta keep the peons on their toes, lest they get uppity.

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  • treadful@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Mom, can we have Equilibrium at home?

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    • xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “ICE reached out to both Mr. Bale and Mr. Bean, but regrettably, neither were interested in the job.”

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean, where’s the towering brutalist architecture?

    I think China is doing a good job at that.

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• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My sense of humor is dry, dark, and absurdist. I’d go to jail every week for the sorts of things I joke about if I was a kid today. This is complete lunacy.

  Example of an average joke on my part: speed up and run over that old lady crossing the street!

  It makes my partner laugh. I laugh. We both know I don’t mean it. But a crappy AI tool wouldn’t understand that.

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  • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Something tells me that our type of jokes are on the way out bro. As you said, there’s no room for nuance in this story, so I’m afraid we’ll eventually all be listened in on 100% of the time until someone says something ‘actionable’. If you’re not already on a multitude of lists by now, you’re doing something wrong.

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    • qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, dark humor is like a child with cancer, it never gets old.

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    • Reverendender@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My understanding is those types of jokes are now en vogue, at least with Republicans. Wait, maybe it’s only wrong when they’re jokes, but it’s OK when the Republicans are serious about these things.

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  • dil@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah especially around middle school, the “darker” the “joke” the more funny it was

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• Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Another school shooting avoided! Just kidding, we just tortured a child for fun.

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  • thejml@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which kinda seems like a villain origin story to me.

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• Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It not just schools. Its everywhere. I was on reddit just last week, talking about when I was 15 and fancying one of my teachers. I got banned for “soliciting sex from a minor”… And whats worse, when I appealed, they upheld it. Some human actually read a comment in which I spoke about when I was 15. And took that to mean I was asking kids if they want to see some puppies or something. The insane online world of the far left and right has fucked us all.

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  • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    With you up until bringing the far left into this. What does universal healthcare, trans rights or taxing billionaires have to do with the surveillance state?

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    • prex@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would argue that universal healthcare, trans rights and taxing billionaires are not far left, but Im not American.

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    • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That wouldnt fall under** far **left, would it? Duh.

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    • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Example of far left: packaged-media.redd.it/…/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPl…

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    • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sadly people get Tankies, Neo-Liberals and the Real Left mixed up

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  • bold_atlas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sorry I could believe this if it were for the right-wing chud reveal at the end. Also chuds tend to have pedo tendencies so I think you’re misrepresenting what you were banned for; as much as I hate to give the benefit of the doubt to reddit’s moderation team.

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    • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, thank you for the example of what I was talking about. Very much appreciated.

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    • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What reveal? He just said he’s tired of extremists

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• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What is sad is that an environment like this ruins someone’s mental health and ironically increasing the overall risk of violence.

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  • belit_deg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t remember whose quote it was, maybe Hannah Arendt, that the real tragedy of tyranny is not when people self-censor what they say out loud, but when this leads them to filter out those thoughts from arising at all

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  • arararagi@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s the surveillance panopticon, they know they are being watched, but not when.

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  • Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then, those in charge can criminalise you.

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• j4k3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is not the tool, but is the lazy stupid person that created the implementation. The same stupidity is true of people that run word filtering in conventional code. AI is just an extra set of eyes. It is not absolute. Giving it any kind of unchecked authority is insane. The administrators that implemented this should be what everyone is upset at.

  The insane rhetoric around AI is a political and commercial campaign effort by Altmann and proprietary AI looking to become a monopoly. It is a Kremlin scope misinformation campaign that has been extremely successful at roping in the dopes. Don’t be a dope.

  This situation with AI tools is exactly 100% the same as every past scapegoated tool. I can create undetectable deepfakes in gimp or Photoshop. If I to so with the intent to harm or out of grossly irresponsible stupidity, that is my fault and not the tool. Accessibility of the tool is irrelevant. Those that are dumb enough to blame the tool are the convenient idiot pawns of the worst of humans alive right now. Blame the idiots using the tools that have no morals or ethics in leadership positions while not listening to these same types of people’s spurious dichotomy to create monopoly. They prey on conservative ignorance rooted in tribalism and dogma which naturally rejects all unfamiliar new things in life. This is evolutionary behavior and a required mechanism for survival in the natural world. Some will always scatter around the spectrum of possibilities but the center majority is stupid and easily influenced in ways that enable tyrannical hegemony.

  AI is not some panacea. It is a new useful tool. Absent minded stupidity is leading to they same kind of dystopian indifference that lead to the ““free internet”” which has destroyed democracy and is the direct cause of most political and social issues I’m the present world when it normalized digital slavery through ownership over a part of your person for sale, exploitation, and manipulation without your knowledge or consent. I only say this because I care about you digital neighbor. I know it is useless to argue against dogma but this is the fulcrum of a dark dystopian future populist dogma is welcoming with open arms of ignorance just like those that said the digital world was a meaningless novelty 30 years ago.

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We are living in the shittiest kind of cyberpunk dystopia. Can’t wait for AI-induced cyber-psychosis once people implant Musk’s chips into their brains and give MechaHitler full access to their subconscious.

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• Aggravationstation@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ha, its now a crime for kids to say dumb shit. Messed up, but its genius really, raising a generation who’s afraid to say anything that even vaguely rocks the boat and will go along with whatever the status quo enforced by social media is.

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Talking about online privacy has become the “safe sex talk” of the last decade or so. You have to keep reminding kids so that it sticks. Nothing you say online is private, it can all be copied/screengrabbed/recorded/photographed and shared by the recipient. What you say, any images you post, etc. On school or work devices they can essentially see most everything, nothing is private. Even if you make efforts to cover your tracks, a truly determined agency with enough resources likely will find out who you are if they want to.

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• WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  More free child labor in jails.

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• Kissaki@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “I wish that was treated as a teachable moment, not a law enforcement moment,” said Patterson.

  Seems like the Gaggle CEO has a good view. They’re still an enabler in these situations. Be it poor guidance or training. With the impact they have, taking responsibility would be tracking and ceasing contracts that do not follow this soft response approach.

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• redwattlebird@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  WTF America?

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• wuffah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What a great way to prepare students for our AI enabled social media and digital surveillance society. Take note kids, trust no one!

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• ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I didn’t know Reddit admins were also school admins

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• Zak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Snapchat’s automated detection software picked up the comment, the company alerted the FBI, and the girl was arrested on school grounds within hours.

  Someone should tell the kids about Signal.

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  As for monitoring on school computers, that seems OK to me if it’s disclosed to the students and parents in advance. What’s problematic is the responses, which seem much more focused on ass-covering than student welfare. I imagine most 13 year olds have made jokes about killing people once or twice and any adult with common sense would be able to tell they’re jokes.

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The world is turning into one giant shitty customer service experience.

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• Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LOL the land of the free.

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• NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The next few years is going to be like the time Post Office employees were hounded and had their lives destroyed over what was later found to be a software fault and not mass Human corruption, but on a far grander scale.

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• PokerChips@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is also why (I think) that younger people don’t like going outside. Cameras are everywhere. There’s no privacy. We’ve become a world of creeps. Not really for the most of us. But if I was 10 years old I’d think everyone as creeps.

  Now corporations are forcibly creeping into the classrooms. Yuck!

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• BD89@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thought control

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• cdf12345@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Sometimes you have to look at the trade for the greater good,” said Board of Education member Anne Costello in a July 2024 board meeting.

  No no no no.

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