"A guitarist who's also an astronaut" sounds more impressive than "An astronaut who plays the guitar", despite both meaning the same thing.

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• makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think it’s typically because you lead with the thing people would know them for, or the thing that person is more known for in general. So because there’s so few astronauts, it’s pretty fucking impressive that you think I’m more likely to know their guitar work than their space career

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  • Uli@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do any of you like to go to the ISS in your free time? Just me? I’m never going to find someone who shares my hobbies.

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• Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lots of people play guitar, ‘a guitarist’ implies a certain level of skill

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• Saleh@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The first attribute in the list sets the framing.

  Another example is:

  Jeff is lazy, intelligent and charming.
  Marc is charming intelligent and lazy.

  Your brain most likely will have a more positive impression of Marc than of Jeff, despite both being described with the exact same attributes.

  Or what about this one:

  Pay 20 dollars. Then you get to flip a coin. If it lands on heads you gain 100 dollars. If it lands on tails you get nothing.
  You get to flip a coin. If it lands on heads you gain 80 dollars. If it lands on tails you have to pay 20 dollars.

  People will generally consider the first one to be better, because they could “win” more in the second step and “loose” nothing. The second one will probably be more averted because loosing could be “punished”.
  If you think slow about it and run the math, both set ups have the same probabilities with the same earnings or losses.

  I highly recommend the book “thinking fast, thinking slow” that deals a lot with these biases.

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  • AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thank you for the book recommendation. I have added it to my reading list.

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    • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That is the correct title. Thank you.

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  • reptar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was so confused about the coin flipping thing until I realized I was skipping “pay 20 dollars” as the start of the first scenario.

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• lordnikon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  leave Brian May alone 😋

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• roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It actually doesn’t mean the same thing.

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  • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, but also 2 would never be true. Nobody is a primary guitarist and hobbyist astronaut. Astronaut is always someone’s primary, and the rest is an afterthought. At least “real” astronauts, not space tourists.

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• 58008@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  1. The president of the United States is a rapist

  2. A rapist is president of the United States

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1. Yeah probably.

    2. Holy shit, they elected a known rapist?

    I think that’s why the statements feel different.

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• bladerunnerspider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  An astronaut who’s also a guitarist. Active. A guitarist who rides in spaceships. Passive.

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  • Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    denotation vs connotation

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• rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not to me.

  Katy Perry is ostensibly an “astronaut”. Not a pilot, not someone who trained for years to lead science experiments in space, just a guitarist who’s also an astronaut.

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Astronauts are trained professionals, she was a passenger.

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    • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s what I say

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Don’t have an opinion on that, or rather I can go bot h ways. Astronaut literally means space traveler. 🤷🏻

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• darkpanda@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Chris Hadfield has entered the chat.

  youtu.be/lc8BcBZ0tAI

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• Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think astronaut has a higher skill floor than guitarist. I don’t mentally separate astronauts into categories like amateur/average/talented/expert, it’s just assumed that any astronaut is an expert. Leading with describing someone as a guitarist before you mention they’re an astronaut too implies that they’re also an expert guitarist.

  So basically it’s the difference between:

  • An expert guitarist who’s also an expert astronaut

  • An expert astronaut who’s also an amateur guitar player.

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• DemBoSain@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is this a Buckaroo Banzai post? I feel like this is a Buckaroo Banzai post.

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• davidgro@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Some people call them Maurice.

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• ook@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s because being an astronaut is an actual job you commit to or you won’t get to do your job. Guitarist can mean anything from picking up the guitar once a month to being lead guitarist in the best band of the world.

  One is a job description, the other one can be just a hobby or a full blown job.

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  • somethingsnappy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One avenue pays bills at all levels, one you have to be truly good at to make anything. Reason I went back into science instead of music.

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    • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I once paid a bar tab with my guitar skills. Does that count?

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• Mac@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s because astronaut elevates guitarist whereas guitarist doesnt elevate astronaut.

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• pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  cowboy guitar spaceman from SilverHawks nods approvingly

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• FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If either one says anyways here’s wonderwall and launches into the song I’ll be ready to shoot them into the sun.

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  • Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anyway, here’s Wagon Wheel.

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