Submitted 8 months ago by neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com to startrek@startrek.website
My brother said that he will watch an episode of Trek with me when I visit my family in October.
I am wonder what the best single episode to show him is. He has not seen anything Trek before.
I am thinking something that is newer, but not necessarily.
Anyway, what do you think would be good?
TNG “Devil’s Due”
Top notch in my opinion. When Picard steps to The Devil (Ardra) is one of my top moments of all time.
I think lots of people could identify with this episode due to it’s scifi content and it’s theological content.
I said the same thing to my wife last night about “the inner light”
Devil’s Due
If this was the only episode of Star Trek I’d ever seen I’d have no interest in continuing 😅
I actually think “Inner Light” is a good option for OP because is a “side quest” that doesn’t require much backstory, while still being thematically aligned with what to expect with TNG.
Yeah but are we trying to get people into Trek or specifically into TNG?
Also “Duet” from S1 of DS9. Incredible acting.
There is some back story needed with that one… but maybe it’s tangential enough to make the viewer want to know more?
That was basically my thought as well, but I still say it plays well as a stand-alone story to give someone a taste of Trek. They may be confused at the beginning of the episode but I feel it’s self contained and focused enough that most people can pick up the major beats from context (Cardassians = occupiers, Bajorans = formerly occupied). And then hopefully the acting, the mystery, and the twist ending are enough to, like you said, make the viewer want to learn more.
“Carbon Creek” serves as a VERY light introduction to some core Star Trek elements. It’s far from “the best” but it’s a heartwarming little peak into the world of Trek. You even see some Vulcan’s become influenced by human compassion which is a good way of showing what makes humans special.
Not a single ENT episode in this thread
I was thinking that as well, but someone eventually commented that carbon creek would be good.
I plan to show my mom Carbon Creek sometime soon.
I think the first three episodes of SNW are like made for new people with showing clearly what Star Trek should stand for.
If you are only watching one episode to hook him in you could also go with something funnier like lower decks or a ferengi episode
Or you could get confusing and take The Orville :p
The Orville might not be a bad idea. I didn’t consider it, but my brother really likes family guy.
Might be worth showing him the first episode of Lower Decks then. Or “Temporal Edict” is another strong early episode that’s still fairly introductory and really gives a lot of the Star Trek vibes about being capable and ethical while still showing it as a fun time.
I personally love DS9 and think that it has aged better than TNG. I think its S1 is not amazing, but certainly one of the better first seasons. It has plenty of good enough episodes that don’t depend heavily on the upcoming plot and leave your brother in a good place if he wants to start watching for himself.
A few suggestions would be:
Don’t show him any of the all time greats. Then there’s nowhere to go but down.
I also wouldn’t try to hook him on a twenty or thirty out forty year old show when there’s a really good Trek series coming out right now. There’s no urgency to watching an old show, so even if he likes it he’s likely to put it off for later and forget about it.
Just hit him with SNW episode 1. It’s a decent episode, not an all time best but a good introduction to what the Federation is all about and very briefly how it grew from the present day. And if he decides to continue in his own, there’s no question of where to start - just move on to episode 2.
Darmok
I have shown this to people as their first. It works. It’s a highly unusual story so some people may or may not “get it” but there isn’t any issue with it being a first entree into the franchise.
I think it does a good job of showing the Star Trek approach to science fiction.
You have a human on the planet interacting with an unusual alien. There is some action, but the primary problem of the episode is not solved by violence. The audience is taken along with Picard in the process of figuring out communication with the alien captain.
Its main weakness is that you don’t get much ship-based stuff in this particular episode. There is a little, but…
That’s a really interesting choice. Ok it’s in my top 3
I’ve struggled with this question for years, and haven’t been able to come up with an answer I feel good about, so the “correct” answer is probably, “consider the person’t tastes and cater to them.”
I do believe that it’s probably not a good idea to start with the “best” episodes - they tend to break the usual format, and once you’ve seen them, there’s nowhere to go but down.
Instead, I’m on a continuous search for the most “average” episodes - solid, enjoyable, and representative of what the series and franchise are as a whole. But I still don’t have a simple answer.
Might be a bit off beat to say this, but maybe the first episode of Prodigy?
It’s very much intended as an entry point into Star Trek for those unexposed to Star Trek.
I love Prodigy, but I’ve seen people struggle to get past the first episode. If someone’s coming in reluctantly it’s not where I’d start.
I kind of feel like Prodigy struggles the first half of the first season… as a Prodigy lover, I’ll say it certainly gets there, but even then, let’s say it wasn’t until season 2 that Jankom Pog no longer made me want to find out what Tellarite carnitas taste like…
I’m going to say any or none of the suggestions here may be right.
And some of them, like Inner Light, are awful choices simply because their impact is very dependent on having the context the rest of the series and characters.
The main thing is that Star Trek has a wide variety of tones. The way to success is to provide excellent examples of very Trekie episodes that are in the genre or tone that your friends already like.
Don’t show them action if they like cerebral mystery. Don’t show them romance if they like action. Don’t show them intense drama if they’re into comedy. If they’re into animation, start with Lower Decks or Prodigy not TNG.
Examples from this perspective…
If they like psychological horror, then TNG’s ‘Schisms’ or Voyager’s ‘The Thaw’ might be best.
If they like action, Discovery’s two part pilot might be the one.
I’m nearing 40 and ‘Schism’s’ is still straight up nightmare fuel for me. Wonderful performance from Frakes.
Voyager’s “Year of Hell” is the best of any television, but admittedly, will be a difficult entry. If they are adventurous, though, it’s fully enjoyable without any Trek knowledge.
That’s really good, but maybe too hard for someone with basically 0 trek knowledge. Thanks!
DS9 - In the Pale Moonlight
Hands down one of the best storylines, acting, twists, pure joy of resolution.
I disagree. I think the Dominion War context is way too important.
I’ve shown this as a first episode (or at least first 2-3 episodes) and it hasn’t been an issue. If you’re sitting with them you can explain significant items, but generally they get enough without much help.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen that. Could it be too difficult for someone with 0 trek knowledge to get?
I think the important bits are easy to pickup in context. There is a war and it’s not going well. Sisko is trying to bring a powerful neutral party into the war and is willing to do very questionable things to do it.
As a Star Trek fan I had given up on DS9 during the original airing of the first season. Latter I caught Pale Moonlight by chance and it impressed me enough to watch some more. Then I went back and watched all the earlier stuff. Now it’s my favorite Star Trek.
When I first saw it I knew Star Trek quit well but had no idea what was going on in DS9 and had no trouble following the story.
By series: TOS: City on the Edge of Forever TNG: Measure of a Man or Inner Light DS9: In the Pale Moonlight or The Visitor VOY: Scorpion SNW: 1:1 or Memento Mori LD: Crisis Point
Holes and crap! Measure of a Man might be genius. Intellectually engaging, good acting, but boring (no offense) enough that other parts of the show can impress as well!
By 1:1, do you mean the first episode for the first season?
Yup! SNW is one of the few that has an actually good pilot episode.
Measure of a Man is one of the best single episodes of any television show ever
DS9 The Visitor is a complete story on its own and has some of the best acting in the franchise.
I agree that The Visitor is a great choice! Although depending on OP’s goal I’d argue for Duet because,
So it might be a simpler introduction to the rest of the show.
Those factors aside, yeah The Visitor is probably the more compelling story.
Either way, DS9 has the best character writing, and is therefore the way to go!
that one can backfire as its too good and can set the wrong expedition.
TNG, “The Inner Light”
Great episode, but I’d argue it doesn’t really give a new viewer much of a feel of what Star Trek is. Probably works better when you have a few episodes of TNG already under your belt.
One of my all time favorites! I was considering this.
SNW “A Quality Of Mercy”
and then TOS “A Balance Of Terror”
I think it conveys the breadth, depth and love there is in the star trek fandom for the universe.
That’s a really good idea! I so far it’s this and mine to mori in the lead.
If you are talking TOS then for me it’s “The City on the Edge of Forever”.
This 100%. It was written by Harlan Ellison, and adjusted to his chagrin by D. C. Fontana and Gene L. Coon. It won a Hugo award in 1968.
I think TOS is too difficult to be someone’s first trek experience.
I must disagree. ToS was where it all started. It was many people’s first trek experience. It was not “too difficult”. It was exceptional. The stories were interesting, easy to follow, and they were not dumbed down or used “big words” like TNG did to make it seem more intelligent. In my humble opinion, ToS is the best place for people new to Star Trek to venture forth. Thanks for reading.
hopesdead@startrek.website 8 months ago
My first inkling is to always tell someone to just start from the beginning with “The Cage”.
But if I have to pick something else my mind wonders to “Cause and Effect”.