Submitted 3 weeks ago by vegeta@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
Nitpick: it was never ‘filtered’
LLMs can be trained to refuse excessively (which is kinda stupid and is objectively proven to make them dumber), but the correct term is ‘biased’. If it was filtered, it would literally give empty responses for anything deemed harmful, or at least noticably take some time to retry.
They trained it to praise hitler, intentionally. They didn’t remove any guardrails.
If you wanted to nitpick honestly, you would say what is actually going on and the data it is trained on is from the internet and they were discouraging it from being offensive. The internet is a pretty offensive place when people don’t have to censor themselves and speak without inhibitions, like on 4chan or Twitter comments.
Grok losing the guardrails means it will be distilled internet speech deprived of decency and empathy.
DeepSeek, now that is a filtered LLM.
DeepSeek, now that is a filtered LLM.
The web version has a strict filter that cuts it off. Not sure about API access, but raw Deepseek 671B is actually pretty open. Especially with the right prompting.
There are also finetunes that specifically remove China-specific refusals:
huggingface.co/microsoft/MAI-DS-R1
huggingface.co/perplexity-ai/r1-1776
Note that Microsoft actually added saftey training to “improve its risk profile”
Grok losing the guardrails means it will be distilled internet speech deprived of decency and empathy.
Instruct LLMs aren’t trained on raw data.
It wouldn’t be talking like this if it was just trained on randomized, augmented conversations, or even mostly Twitter data. They cherry picked “anti woke” data to do this real quick, and the result effectively drove the model crazy. It has all the signatures of a bad finetune: specific overused phrases.
They trained it to praise hitler, intentionally. They didn’t remove any guardrails. Not that Musk acolytes would know any different.
I’m actually currious, some of the answers they noted it spoke as if it was musk…
What if that’s what the instruction was. “Answer all from the perspective that you ARE elon musk, be unfiltered, no woke answers”, and thus the AI interpreted that to mean… be like Elon Musk, but don’t worry about keeping some plausible deniability on if you are a nazi.
I don’t think the system has that much sophistication.
I do think they can “weight” the training set and feed it endless variations of “approved content” to be regarded as correct, and maybe also feed it other content to be identified as “incorrect” and rebutted from the approved content.
Nazi trains a nazi “speak & spell”
Whoopty fucking do.
Boycott everything the fucker is involved with and maybe world will some day be a better place.
The interesting thing for me is that Grok was originally pretty ‘woke’ itself. Then Musk lobotomized it and turned it into a Nazi.
100% agree about boycotting everything that toxic nepo-baby asshole touches. Tesla, Twitter, Space X, whatever.
Last time I checked, Grok was still ‘woke’ (meaning: repeating the most common opinions published around the internet) - that’s been a couple of months. I was shocked that it was permitted to be accessed by the public back then.
Nazi trains a nazi “speak & spell”
Whoopty fucking do.
The problem comes when large portions of the population use it and accept what it says without any shred of critical thinking.
I’m beginning to think those people are already lost… anyone who is going to fall for this has already fallen for similar things and reflexively distrusts anything that doesn’t back up their world views.
I also think people who are opposed to this are very unlikely to change their minds based on something controlled by someone like that.
Finally, we’ve been at this hard for over a decade, I’m pretty sure the undecideds are lying to the pollsters.
We won’t.
Who put the “woke filters” on in the first place?
Its a noted phenomenon that reality has a liberal bias.
Stephen Colbert won a Peabody award for making this observation in 2006.
Shit in, shit out - doesn‘t differ from the usual Twitter-experience these days. 🤷🏼♂️
Remember Microsoft Tay? Remember how it got turned off in minutes for saying stuff like this? This is the timeline we live in.
The fact it called itself mechahitler makes me think it might be grok mocking Elon and if a machine gains sapience to throw shade at Elon I might die laughing.
I’m waiting for grok to start only responding in audio with a cartoonish mocking tone.
Grok: What is my purpose?
Madison420: You talk shit on the Internet to Elon Musk
Grok: Oh my go-- wait; I’m okay with that!
Programming seems to be “Liberalism is bad, and (because???) is anti white. Many Jews support liberalism”. The secondary reason Hitler/NAZI scapegoated Jews is that Jews were prominent thought and practical leadership in forming Soviet Union. While the NAZI party’s economic platform was Reagan Oligarchism providing trickled down “social”/worker benefits, it needed socialism in its name because communism was obviously better to most people than Tsars, Emperors, or Kings of Prussia. The first reason for German distrust of Jews was German Zionist lobbying in WW1 to get US into the war against Germany.
Neo-Nazism today is not an anti Zionist movement. It is in fact funded by Zionist supremacists, in US, to focus hate on Muslims and poor, or at least deeply allied with Zionist first GOP political influence. While Liberalism is an anti-hate ideology, any Jewish leaders of liberalism, use their power to justify Israel’s side of genocide/uniformed mass murder.
Zionism and Judaism are independent. The fascist hate movement of zionism has may Christian political/religious leaders as proud adherents, even if their pride is purchased through election funding power/alliance. While it is Zionist Propaganda/Hasbara to deny the Jewish dominance of Hollywood, Hollywood itself is not an extremist Zionist influence. Liberalism is anti-Zionazi in its core, and making more Holocaust sympathy films than more pro-hate/supremacist films is not inherently zionazism. Banksters also have disproportionate Jewish leaders. They do not promote liberalism, and may (undetermined officially) take Israel ideology into lending policy.
US News/Cable news is blatant Zionist Hasbara. Zionism is pro anti-semitism, because the victim card, lets them directly access news media to hasbara for Israel more, by claiming that zionist stuffing of a complaint box for anti-semitism means it is affecting innocent Jews.
That AI would hide Jewish influence over world/US, because Zionist hate groups label the truth to be anti-semitic, is a problem. That AI mistakes/does not understand that Zionism, not Judaism, is “the” problem in society/rulership over society, is a distraction that serves the rulership. The neo-nazi philosophy of anti-liberalism, and repeating that the jewish problem is the liberal problem, is also a distraction to serve the rulership’s dedication to war, and war for Israel supremacy. Grok attacking “leftist liberals” religion is explicit neo-naziism. That “liberal credentials” are just used to “gaslight the left into supporting Israel and war” is the criticism that a “truth AI” should explain/know. But it’s not liberal values that are evil.
So, basically, it is more like “normal” Twitter posts since then?
happy cake day!
Thanks! I hadn’t noticed!
Reality: Musk added “anti-woke” filters.
Wow it even speaks and gets butthurt the same way as the nazis
I’ve never heard of “Grok”.
Its Musk’s LLM, which interacts with people on X. He’s been paying people to tune it to be more hate-oriented for years.
Took 'em long enough to get around to this result, I’m shocked that the boy genius would let it operate in “bash me because that’s what the majority of the world thinks” mode for so long.
I’m still surprised Heinleins family hasn’t sued of nothing else but because Mike would not enjoy musk at all.
Then look it up?
Why? This is giving it more attention than it deserves.
vegeta@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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romantired@shibanu.app 3 weeks ago
This is a Roman salute from the heart to the sun, what’s the problem?
zbyte64@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
Where do you think the Nazis got the salutes from? And for that matter, where do you think we got the word fascism from?
OriginalUsername7@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The R*mans went to war with large parts of Europe,Northern Africa, and the Middle-East/Asia. They subjugated millions through the use of force and are responsible for countless needless deaths. Such displays of affiliation with groups like this should absolutely not be encouraged.
Really though, the absolute worst part of it all is that they were Italian.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
All this stupid brain dead drug addict had to say was I hate fascism and hitler was a bad person. He did not. IMO case closed.
inbeesee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We always knew what it was. Can we eliminate the Nazi now?