Submitted 1 year ago by LemmyBe@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
i’m doing it because I want to make the fediverse more friendly place, in hopes of making it more welcoming for new users, and the nicer place in general. But I wonder how much is just less bots.
I’ve seen more instances of “you’re right, I’m being a dumbass” than I was prepared to.
The Old Place put a patina of grime on my soul. People are alright here.
If you tell anyone I’m alright I’ll deny it!
I’ve seen you around.
(You’re alright.)
You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas. I’ll bet you couldn’t pour !@#$ out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won’t go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You’re a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformation. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly. You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You’re a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won’t have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusional self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral[size] equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meat slapper. On a good day you’re a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go. You smarmy lager lout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oink artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away. I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I’m sorry. I can’t go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don’t have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh. The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well… it didn’t really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective… Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us ”normal” people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are ”challenged” persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn’t have been ”right”. Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you. P.S.: You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally NOT GOOD.
New response just dropped
It’s been… eighty years…
My God. It’s almost Shakespearean
GatGPT letting it all out.
It’s just such an impressive array of insults. The variety, the scope, the diversity. There’s so much, I’m in awe
Is this the new navy seals copy pasta?
mostly coherent string of words. effort A, form D-, content incomplete next
I will never forget you. Your interaction with me is now burned into my psyche. As I recalled our horrid interaction, my whole body shook in disgust and I broke into a permanent frenzy of anger and confusion–i feel retarded. What you told me was undisputedly the dumbest combination of words uttered in the entire world. I just jumped out my apartment window and killed myself.
This is what you must do. Get up, walk into the middle of the nearest forest and lay down and reflect on what you did. Never utter a syllable out of that cancerous hole in your face again, and allow yourself to decompose to aid the surrounding flora in replacing the oxygen your stupid fucking skull wastes on a daily basis. You almost singlehandedly destroyed mankind by being conscious.
I’m fucking disgusted at the fact that you exist on the same planet as me, and what is worse is that you share similar dna to me. The fact that our DNA is connected, even marginally, is a goddamn abomination and I am going to spiral into a depression very quickly because of this realization. The realization that we both fall under the term “human” and I have to be grouped in with your pathetic existence is disgraceful. I am very traumatized by you. Your body language is fucking atrocious and it bothers me to no end. It’s so pathetic, the way you mope around. You mope around with your shoulders hunched over, lethargically dragging your feet on the floor. You have a thin, fragile frame. You walk around reacting to everything that happens to you. Fuck you. There are horrible, inexcusable things that I would happily do to never interact with you again, even if it was for a brief moment. I will explain what these things are in a list format, because that’s the only way your 7-year old brain stuck in a man’s body will understand it. I would rather…
Withdraw all my money in cash from my multiple bank accounts, get it all together and poop on it.
Give myself big papercuts in all the crevices of my fingers and proceed to dip my hands in salt water.
Stub my big toe over 50 times in one day.
Be told by someone in authority that I will never amount to anything in my life, ever.
Be a literal cuckold.
Get bitch-slapped by a man with rough hands once a day, for every day of my life going forward.
Undergo dramatic negative changes in my lifestyle that would damage my mind and body beyond repair.
Undergo a whole host of different forms of mental and physical humiliation; as in being spat on and told I am worthless.
Be forced to drink non-alcoholic macro-produced beer from the can, while every person around me drinks Trappist beers from exotic chalices for 10 hours straight - for the rest of my life.
Have a procedure done to reduce my IQ so that my new IQ falls within the range of down syndrome.
…than engage in the briefest of interactions with you.
I need you to know that this list is not comprehensive, and that there are many, many more atrocious situations I would prefer to you even coming across my vision.
Instead of continuing to talk about more situations that I would prefer to be in than merely glancing at you, I am going to revert back to what I was talking about before - insulting your character. The reason being that I don’t feel like you have fully comprehended the extent of my negative opinion of you - and why I think this way.
I know I insulted your body language already, but I hate how you look. Its terrible and a tragedy worth crying over. Your clothes don’t look nice - I am very angry about it. It looks like you wore them to seem interesting but it doesn’t make sense to me because you aren’t an interesting person. You should have thought about this before you dressed yourself. You are an ogre. Do not leave your house on a whim - every time you go out, you should think about how you’re going to present yourself to the world for a very, very long time. You should be rigorously micromanaging yourself all the time to appear normal because you are anything but. You have a long and difficult road ahead to become even within the realm of normal, let alone a contributing member to society.
I have no sympathy for you. I feel bad for myself for being forced to interact with you. Its bullshit that you are conscious and had to be in my vision. I will never recover from this - you have singlehandedly jaded my view of the world and made me very hopeless and cynical.
Your character is flawed in a myriad of ways, its an impressive feat that someone could be so grossly incompetent in all areas of human socialization. My disgust for this shows no boundaries; I have been violently puking in 20 minute intervals for days now due to your worthlessness. You’re character is so devoid of any charisma that the only thing to do to would be to force you to change via bullying.
You’re right, I’m sorry
I agree for the most part. However, in my effort to post content, I’ve gotten more than a few snarky or mean comments about the quality of the content. I get it if it’s not for you but just down vote. You don’t need to make the person feel bad for trying to help Lemmy grow.
I hope the haters won’t succeed at discouraging you and thank you for your effort to help our place grow! I’m a bit shy to post too because I don’t want to get those kind of comments, but so far it’s been a positive experience.
I’ve had the opposite experience, my mediocre photography has won a few very kind comments!
Yay, you’re… Adequate!!!
(Kidding, you actually sound great.)
I know it’s easier to say than do, but ignore ‘em. I got myself into some pointless argument a few days ago, even though what I should’ve done was block the individual and move on.
I stopped using upvotes/downvotes at all on Reddit. Unless you were on New, exclusively, it didn’t matter how often you got on Reddit, anything you were seeing was at least fifteen hours old. Any conversation was already done. Any up/downvotes you put in wouldn’t matter at all and probably just got ignored by the system. Anything you had to say would only appear to you, in reality it just dropped to the bottom of the sea, never again to be seen. Thousands had already spoken, somehow, and you were just walking through a snapshot of the past, already said and done.
For now, it’s much smaller here. Sometimes I find myself upvoting a post just to let the person know that somebody actually came in here and gave a fuck about what they had to say, that they aren’t talking to themselves in an empty room.
It makes sense to care a bit more, for a lot of reasons. We’ll see how long that vibe can sustain itself.
My feeling exactly Smaller communities nurture much more healthier engagement than bigger ones
Sure, for the main subs. But the smaller subs for hobbies (for example) didn’t have this issue.
I didn’t vote much either, though. So many posts were karma farmers reposting old material.
There was such an easier way to “farm karma” that I accidentally did it for a while. Just kept posting silly puns to reply to stuff people post on the Florida Man subreddit.
Reddit karma ain’t worth much at all.
Friend, yesssssss!
Here it feels like interacting with the community matters. A comment will be one of ten or a hundred, not ten thousand or hundred thousand. Comment chains between two people with different views can be discussions, instead of flamewars where one person is dogpiled for disagreeing with the thread.
Let’s all enjoy what we have here before it gets overtaken by chuds and/or AI :)
Don’t forget mods hiding your posts without a trace! There is no way from the reddit interface to tell.
Lost the link, but there’s a site that shows all the posts you made that were hidden from the rest of the sub. LOL, they even let the guy do an AMA!
I was more than a little stunned. Dozens of posts, just gone, very recently, and I had no idea. Nothing controversial, nothing crazy, and for sure nothing right-wing that might have triggered any liberal mods. I’m certain someone was following me around, reporting everything they might get traction on, hiding my posts. All very disconcerting.
Just posted about being banned for “inciting violence” for the 3rd time in 2-months. And I’m now a lunatic after 11-years without issue? Not like I can see what I was banned for, or even appeal.
I’m out. How are you folks?
It’s the same crowd and over time they will be identical. The power of moderation is the only thing that keeps nastiness in check.
If we build to act like Reddit and keep consolidating as we grow, you’re right
But I think as we grow, we need to add in mechanisms to decentralize. When communities or servers get too big, it’d be nice if we had a way to split them, divide up the users and mods, and migrate them seamlessly.
Right now I think fomo would kill this, but if we had a way to manage federation of multis so everyone can see the top posts of both while still seeing more of the lower ranked local content, I think we could get the best of all worlds
Imagine this - with some clever statistics, we can look at your upvotes (and maybe comments), then put you with that share your take on the topic. Or let communities split on an issue divide before things get nasty
If you like the memes, you get put with the memers, but still see the hottest news and interact with the full community on those posts, and vice versa. And if you really want to be in both, you could do so without doubling up content.
I’ve had this idea percolating through the back of my mind since I learned how Lemmy worked, when things stabilize a bit more I might take a crack at it
I upvote for general encouragement. But I upvoted this especially to be nice to you, OP. I also gave you a lil boost.
Just wanted to say that I upvoted to be especially nice to you for being nice, Janet. Have a good day!
Every platform is nice at the start, for mainly the reason you say: people who join early have an interest in the platform, so we actually try to keep it nice.
Then every successful new platform gets its own eternal september. A large influx of people who don’t care about the platform at all, they just want to use it to talk to people. And of these, yes many are still nice people, but also many aren’t.
You see this in all kinds of communities, not just online. If you’re in a new or niche hobby, everybody there will have an interest in improving the hobby and the small community, so it will probably be very nice. When it gets mainstream (I’m looking at MTG here, but other people probably know other examples) then it starts to attract people who do nothing but complain.
Every platform is nice at the start
I submit that parler was never nice.
Do they even allow niceness over there?
That was made for a very specific reason by a very particular crowd. Definitely an outlier.
This is it. I’m not sure how young the crowd is here but those of us that have been around for the start of a lot of platforms have seen this happen plenty. It’s always nice to start with. Then that fades.
I had sexual relations with your mother.
If you wanna call me that.
Get back in the grave, dad.
Even when I argue here, it’s very civil.
Yeah I actually enjoy the arguments.
No you don’t.
No you don’t.
Fuck you. I hate you all.
Just kidding. I like it here. Sometimes a little boring but maybe that is a good thing. I have plenty of things to do. This is a nice break and not stressful like some other sites.
As long as we keep posting content and the users continue to slowly grow there is hope.
We have the higher ground
Because it’s easier to moderate smaller communities and the average idiot hasn’t discovered these types of communities. Reddit on the other hand has reached mainstream status, so the average idiot is going to sign up there and say stupid stuff or be idiotic. Every platform goes through this.
That’s true, but Lemmy could potentially be different. The fact that it’s a federation means some instances can go mainstream and become more like reddit, and others can be more exclusive and try to preserve their atmosphere/culture.
Yup, it happened to Facebook, then reddit. Overrun by idiots.
Yup here’s an upvote.
I think a lot of us are into free software and Linux. Something about open free software social media platform is right up my alley.
Give it time. I’m already seeing the ‘agitation’ communities like mildly infuriating, which serve no purpose other than promoting negative thinking.
Tbh, my upvote policy didn’t really change when I moved to Lemmy.
Something has to be dangerously bad for me to downvote it.
I upvote anything that seems interesting or agreeable to me.
2 small theories as to why this could be:
Down vote count is shown. On reddit, a down vote, unless it put total karma from a comment into the negative, was imperceptible. I felt less bad about abusing the functionality and downvoting opinions I disagreed with
Lemmy is a lot smaller than Reddit. Whereas on Reddit I might see a low-effort post and go “get this garbage off my feed” on Lemmy I’m like “YEAH! Way to populate my feed!”
You’re a cool OP. Have an upwardpointingarrow, sir or madam
It may be because there in reddit, there generally are more comments to a thread and newer threads faster. The people who respond to the older threads are generally more likely to be assholes. Maybe it has to do with the type of people who browse them, or maybe it has to do because of the people who’d rather follow profile histories to gaslight someone than participate in the community, or maybe the fediverse really is nicer because it doesn’t thrive on engagement thus avoiding the need to artificially create conflict. Who knows.
Almost all of my posts here get upvoted. On reddit they mostly got ignored.
It’s great that this newfangled platform isn’t filled with hate, but that’s just because not that many people know about it yet. Give it time to grow, and the hostility will be more apparent. It’s the sad reality.
But for the time being, I absolutely love this place.
Cram it, meatbag!
I think part of it is that it seems like Lemmy has older users on average than Reddit. For teenagers and young twenty years olds raised on the internet, they seem to not really know how to talk to people in a productive way, so it’s often just toxic, vulgar or empty. Obviously this isn’t all people, but internet culture kids tend to all sound and act the same.
It feels like I’m talking to real humans. Not some ultra sensitive sissy all the time. It’s just so much less mentally taxing
The best part about Lemmy/Kbin etc now are that downvotes aren’t hidden, rightfully so. Just because a set of people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have the same visibility as somebody that is more agreeable to a set of people.
Niceness… will change and evolve over time as more and more people join. :-)
You dickhead
Come here and give me a hug
When people are rude to me here, which I admit is rarer than on Reddit, I block them a lot faster. Maybe that sort of goes against what you’re saying because it means I’m less tolerant here than I was on Reddit, but I am determined to make Lemmy a more pleasant experience for myself.
Honestly the issue isn’t Reddit, it’s just people. Most people are decent to great, with a smaller group of bad to horrible. With more people on Reddit the pool of bad to horrible is bigger, and they tend to be the loudest of the bunch.
I think reason for that is the community is still very small. I think as the fediverse will add more users it will attract advertisers, which will attract people who want to make money & game the system
Have the upboot because I think you’re handsome and cool.
donut4ever@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Also, those upvotes and downvotes don’t mean shit here
MegadethRulz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is one thing I’ve been trying to figure out, I keep hearing this a lot. What exactly is different with the upvotes and downvotes? Do they not bury comments and posts or something? Serious question just trying to be informed
Whirlybird@aussie.zone 1 year ago
At least in the app I’m using there is no cumulative score for your upvotes/downvotes, so people don’t care about it.
Also comments don’t seem to get hidden due to downvotes thankfully. That was always a stupid system.
Tbh I wish that the comment voting system didn’t exist, or that to downvote you had to write a legit reason why, and everyone could vote the votes and reasons. Too many people just use it as a disagree button.
everythingsucks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
From my new user experience it seems like active comments get placed higher regardless of upvoted. i.e. comments that are still being commented on or new ones.
FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What if I told you they didn’t mean shit over there either?
donut4ever@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They certainly did to a lot of people to the point they were afraid to state their opinions so they don’t get downvoted
DrMango@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I get what you’re saying - that we don’t have a “karma” score associated with our username - but the votes do drive what people see first when they view a particular community or the “front page” so they do matter.
donut4ever@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To an extent, but people won’t be put on timeout if they went into negative.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
And downvotes especially don’t mean anything since they aren’t even enabled on blahaj.zone :)
donut4ever@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s amazing. Fuck those virtual internet points
DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They never did, but here there no persistent score gamifying it.
donut4ever@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good, we don’t need them here so people aren’t afraid to state their opinions.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Come on, they didn’t mean shit over at The Bad Place either… Sure, there’s extreme examples of accounts racking up crazy amounts of karma, and being able to sell them, but… If you’re not using bots, that still means 99.9% of people didn’t profit in any way from upvotes…