Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs

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• Cocopanda@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Did not zee this happening.

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• yarr@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren’t necessarily garbage either – there’s models available for almost any price point.

  What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don’t need to worry about offshore models being “better”.

  While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we’re effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.

  I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it’s just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people…

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  • weew@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These cars are passing EU safety tests which are generally more demanding than the USA.

    They are definitely getting good, fast.

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  • immutable@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not just people, the economy will end up paying the price.

    Tariffs have horrible second order effects.

    Every companies outputs is some other companies inputs.

    American companies end up locked out of more affordable vehicles as inputs. That cost then gets baked into its output, which is some other company’s input. Then just keep following that chain.

    The best broad blanket tariffs can hope to do is trade long term competitiveness for some short term price increase.

    Americans will wonder why other nations eat our lunch in the coming decades. Well that foreign company could buy the cheaper machine to produce the widget, their raw materials cost less to deliver because the transit company that ships it in charges a better rate because they have lower vehicle overhead. Since they have 2 dozen suppliers for their components both foreign and domestic they are forced to compete on quality and price.

    American companies will become even more bloated and inefficient

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  • CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It was just like what happened to the American auto industry before. Instead of listening to the market, we tell the market what they should buy.

    We are losing our edge. People don’t want expensive cars. They want affordable, reliable cars. It was just like earlier Japanese cars. Japan is losing their edge too.

    Honda is too unreliable. I won’t buy Honda again.

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  • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the real reason for tarrifs. Forcing citizens into paying ridiculous prices so biliionares can circle jerk about how much more power they can get. They’re scourges and bottomless voids of resources and misery.

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• RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  and the people rejoice

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Data published Wednesday by ACEA found that Tesla’s car sales in the European Union, Britain and the European Free Trade Association fell to 13,863 units in May, down 27.9% year on year.

  Tesla’s European market share also dropped to 1.2% from 1.8% in May 2024.

  European/other than China EV makers also did well, that this and other headlines this year, intentionally obfuscate. The combination of both above numbers means overall EV growth was about 25%. 93% is non US/China.

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• echodot@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Even before the current political situation I wouldn’t have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

  Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it’s hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don’t have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won’t come to you, so if your car won’t start you have to arrange a pickup.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it’s their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.

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    • GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So like Apple but more expensive

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• 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn’t happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions

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  • AlexLost@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not just the UK that sees his as an idiot. The world sees him this way, and that’s because he is one. Also an egomaniac.

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• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,

  but nowadays i don’t care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.

  The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.

  Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.

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  • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He’s basically gutting NASA so it can be reduced to a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy for greedy billionaires and giant corps. They’re killing everyone’s dreams and inspiration.

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  • barneypiccolo@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    SpaceX should be nationalized. We paid for it, it’s ours.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t know why you didn’t just fund NASA properly.

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    • Tillman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Who in the current admin would you like to see run it? Because one of them would if it were nationalized. Who would be your pick?

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    • fishy@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Agreed. This system of giving out money and getting what we paid for sold back to us is fucking dumb.

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  • icelimit@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wonder what continues to motivate the uber rich to seek more wealth-you simply can’t buy any more tangible amount of happiness through material or influence after a point.

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    • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Once you have enough money, anything you do makes you money.

      Elon blew 44 billion or Twitter, axed the servers, staff, and the name, and he was able to leverage that into a government job where he could kill investigations into his companies years later. You could say it’s intelligence, but I’d say it’s a combination of luck, and the resources to blow 44 billion and not have it affect you personally in any way.

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  • bluedye@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Better super late than never.

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• Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  HAHA

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• Pirate@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn’t ran by a dictator.

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  • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Watch the RichRebuilds review of Chinese EVs. There is a lot of “make it look good” in their engineering, like massive painted brake calipers…that are a single piston. The cars probably aren’t as quality as other EVs, but the prices, specs, and niche features are very compelling. I’d definitely consider one in the US. Anything that isn’t a Tesla or a massive crossover would be great.

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  • sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I uh… you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat

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    • Pirate@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you think Xi Jinping is dictating what BYD does then you don’t understand the fundamentals as to why China managed to attract so much foreign investment in the first place.

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• arunshah240@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What a downfall Tesla

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• hark@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.

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  • HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is gonna go up, Elon said they’ll have full autonomous this year! /s

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s

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    • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Laced with fentanyl.

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• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Good, continue with the downward spiral.

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• Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Currently only proper options for EV is either Tesla, Korean EV’s (KIA, Hyundai) or Chinese. European and japanese EV’s are imo shit at the moment. Teslas I will avoid like plague, due to Nazis. KIA’s and Hyundai’s are so hard to get, so I am really considering getting BYD, Polestar or XPeng.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Plenty of good European EVs as well. From a Porsche Taycan to a Dacia Spring, a wide selection. Including wagons/combis and vans.

    The Japanese also have good ones, especially Nissan. Leaf and Ariya are decent. Honda kinda gave up and Toyota is indeed terrible, even the Lexus line is behind.

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    • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m still mad at Toyota because they’ve kept pushing hybrid cards instead of making great EVs.

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  • philpo@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The small Renault’s are actually more than decent EVs and can be compared to the Hyundai Inster.

    If you are filthy rich the Porsches are decent, same goes for some of the BMW. The Nissan Arya is also okayish, so are Mercedes.

    But yeah, Korea has the absolute king of the hill atm. I drive an EV6 (pre facelift). And honestly? It’s the most “fun” and “comfortable” car I ever had - and I used to have lots of expensive company cars in the past (Audi A4,A5,A6, BMW 5, Volvo), often with "lights and sirens " installed and drove Seat,Skoda,Hyundai, Volvo privately.

    None of them were as fun. None of fhem were as versatile and comfortable. And funny enough I safe enormous amounts of money.

    And all the downsides people worry about? So far I didn’t have any.

    Charging? Absolutely no issue - beside the fact that my sparky is shit and I still don’t have a home box (but a 200 bucks mobile box off Amazon helps). Even with long distances it’s no issue - even in remote locations I had a chance to charge,often easier to find than petrol. And on regular trips it takes as much time to go to the toilet and get me a coffee. Which I would also do with petrol… So in fact I save a few minutes. Even under these circumstances I pay half compared to what I payed for petrol.

    Battery issues? The car is used. So far: Zero degradation. We had it assessed by a professional company recently.

    The only two issues it has: Preconditioning is somewhat random (which has been solved with the facelift) and the fact that the drivers profile is not based on the key sucks.

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    • Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      EV6 is probably the best in tech, like the 800V system.

      Have you had the issue with iccu? They are unfortunately quite common, friend of mine had it. They will fully fix it, but it takes up to month to fix because they don’t have spare parts.

      I have Seat Mii, and I also think it is best car purchase that I have ever made

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  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have a Cadillac lyriq and I love it.

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  • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Ford Mach E is a good EV.

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    • Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Only heard good things about them, but aren’t they few generation’s old no w. Not that next gen is always better, but EV’s have gone quite big generational steps.

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  • friendlymessage@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why’s that? I drove a Cupra Born last week, pretty decent imo. I also drove a VW ID3 and a BMW i3. So far the only European EV I didn’t like was the Audi e-tron. I haven’t driven a Korean or Chinese EV yet, so I can’t really compare. What do you prefer about them?

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    • Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I currently drive Seat Mii, which is good small EV for city, but for long ranges VW and BMW are behind. Audi’s EV have been disasters. Cupras look good, but because I already have small EV, it doesn’t fit my use case

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  • varyingExpertise@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eh, ID7 and A6 are getting there. BMW i4 ain’t bad either.

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    • Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      All those are unfortunately so expensive here that I can only dream

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think it also has to do with the economy, not just nazi salutes. Its a bad job market, people dont have money, so luxary cars are not going to be attractive.

  Also there is hardly any reason to buy a Tesla… Volvo recharge and others are better cars, made by actual car companies with a reputation they care about.

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  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are plenty of Europeans that still have money. These are aimed at the upper upper classes and people in those strata have not been feeling the economic pinch the way many of us have.

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  • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Telsa used to be a status symbol, and sexy.

    But then their chief chap couldn’t seem to publicly pronounce the popular phrase “Nazi’s suck and I wish to have nothing to do with them”.

    Now Telsa is an anti-status symbol.

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  • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Idk why are you being downvoted. Musk being a nazi is the last of the problems for Tesla. They had being outcompete by BYD in every measure.

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    • Ronno@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Me, my friends, my colleagues are the target audience for Model 3/Y’s. I drive a Model 3 and some colleagues do as well. Pretty much all of them and myself say the same thing: The cars top the list in terms of value versus price and has the features we want and need, but we will not buy or (company) lease a Tesla (again) due to the nazi in charge. Simple as that.

      At this point, people don’t even take Tesla’s into consideration anymore due to the nazi. So I would say that’s far worse than the competition with BYD.

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  • Anomalocaris@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it definitely has to do when musk being a nazi.

    Tesla used to be the brand, the good quality car, the one that you want to get.

    (at least that was how the public saw it, car affictionados don’t count)

    now it’s just cringe

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    • Tja@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tesla has NEVER been the good quality car. Ever.

      Tesla was the techy car. The fast car. The fun car. The virtue signaling car. The convienent car. Lots of things, but they have never been the good quality car.

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And in the US we just block foreign options because it is gov policy to artificially support specific corporations.

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  • Anomalocaris@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the country of free market capitalism…

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think that has ever been true, really. Nor should it be, Laissez Faire is a trainwreck waiting to happen, probably literally and figuratively.

      Textbooks will tell you that the USA, and other countries like China and Russia, are a regulated “Market System” which in some markets teeters on strict Oligopoly.

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    • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oddly libertarians never acknowledge that market leaders ask for theses things. The biggest threat to the free market are capitalists themselves.

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  • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think that’s the invisible hand of the market. The visible part is the products you don’t get to have.

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• herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I own BYD and it is a great car. Very pleased with it.

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  • jjlinux@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We have 2 BYD plug-in EVs in our house, absolutely delighted with the brand. Before that I had a Model 3 Tesla, which I could not get rid of fast enough.

    Honor where honor is due, Tesla did open the door for mainstreaming EVs, there’s no doubt about it, but it was through marketing based on gimmicks, not through quality products. But the reality is that BYD, Xiaomi, Avatr and a few other Chinese manufacturing cars are way better value and even quality than their Occidental counterparts.

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  • KumaSudosa@feddit.dk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Heard it can be hard / expensive if you need to order spare parts and stuff like that. Anything to that?

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    • jjlinux@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s halfway true, depending on the part, and where you live. But the warranty they provide (at least in my country) covers everything that you don’t damage yourself, and the warranty is transferable if you sell it still being under warranty.

      The only expense I’ve had with mine are new tires and correcting some body scratches caused by other people (and public charging if on long road trips, because I charge at home with solar power).

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    how many cameras does it have? be pleased about all your, and your neighbourhoods everydays be uploaded to china, to train face recognition and whatever else

    I hate teslas, but byd’s are not even slightly better in my eyes.

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    • jjlinux@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      China can have all the images they want from my car’s. I don’t live in China or anywhere near them. I’m more concerned about US made EVs and their surveillance because I travel there regularly, and they are digging hard on everything for people coming into the US.

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• misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hitler was “incendiary” and “political” but I think there’s a four-letter word so much better, so much more concise, that this wording is actual disinformation.

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Journalists do Nazi what you’re talking about.

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    • misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      CNBC didn’t here. So it’s a lie.

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• homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  as customers switch to Chinese EVs

  Sure. That’s the reason.

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  • makki@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.

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• 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight…

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