And in the US we just block foreign options because it is gov policy to artificially support specific corporations.
Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs
Submitted 3 weeks ago by vegeta@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
the country of free market capitalism…
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oddly libertarians never acknowledge that market leaders ask for theses things. The biggest threat to the free market are capitalists themselves.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t think that has ever been true, really. Nor should it be, Laissez Faire is a trainwreck waiting to happen, probably literally and figuratively.
Textbooks will tell you that the USA, and other countries like China and Russia, are a regulated “Market System” which in some markets teeters on strict Oligopoly.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I think that’s the invisible hand of the market. The visible part is the products you don’t get to have.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight…
SpaceRanger13@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I would say go with whatever company that doesn’t have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.
Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.
Kaboom@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
So support the country committing a genocide against the uyghurs? Because you think a salute is worse than a Holocaust, got it.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
i am afraid it is just that most CEOs are sane enough to keep their embarrassing moments for their private life. do you think musk is the only narcissistic psychopath on drugs in the business word?
this is not advocating for musk, but it is important to be grounded in reality ;)
pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)
StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
The public transport bus I take to and from work is a Chinese made electric. It’s a Yutong E15.
varyingExpertise@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Living in the boonies, I’m never going to get a bus going by every ten minutes so a solid market for good EVs is still what I root for.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
i am lucky, my city has excellent public transport, that doesn’t stop people from using cars though. be it because of pure habit, or because public transport is not solution for everything.
so i’d rather if our european car industry wasn’t decimated by the chinese one.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I don’t want to be like China though /s
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It’s not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.
pycorax@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not super into cars but is there even any reason other than environmental friendliness to get an EV? Where I’m from, EVs are all wildly expensive compared to their combustion peers and they all frankly look really ugly to me. The coil whine of the EVs also drive me crazy.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Competition is good for the consumer.
except what is happening now is not really any kind of fair competition. the european manufacturers exported they know-how to china, which was strategic failure, it was stolen, and now it is sold back to us with the advantage of cheap chinese production.
they will ruin our production and we will be in a similar situation where we were during covid, when the political leadership were saluting the china cargo airplanes on tarmac, otherwise it would not bring us masks, syringes, or any other stuff whose production we had given up and outsourced to china
unless we turn the ship around quite soon, we will be regretting it soon and for a long time.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car.
that isn’t really an argument in favor of china 😂
claimsou@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
The article title is a bit sensational. The share of the market for all Chinese EV is 5,6%. It’s not ( yet ? ) a tsunami.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Telsas total european market share this month is 1.2%, down from 1.8% last may.
5.6% vs 1.2% is a nearly 5x sales rate for chinese cars versus Teslas. The title is not sensational. If anything, your comment is a bit misleading by not listing the tesla share.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
It would be nice if there was a way to rip out any questionable software/electric components from modern cars and replace it with something open source.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Buy european? I mean if that’s an option.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
There are lots of EVs by European car manufacturers. The problem is that they have trouble competing on price with the Chinese ones.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
as customers switch to Chinese EVs
Sure. That’s the reason.
killabeezio@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I don’t think that’s what they meant. I think they are just saying that people are still buying EVs, but they are just going to Chinese and other manufacturers instead of buying a Tesla. The article specifically calls out the stupid shit Elon has been doing.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Which is important because about a year ago the headlines were saying EV sales were collapsing. In fact, it was just Tesla having less market share of new EVs sold because other manufacturers got off their ass.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
Not even sure it’s that true though. Afaik BYD is only the 14th most popular car in Denmark, and European brands have risen from around ~28% last year to ~40% this year. Sure, Chinese carmakers have had some growth - but we’re talking in the order of something between 2 - 4% of the market. Might be more popular in other countrues
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ah. Good to know- I didn’t read the article, but that’s kind of my point, really. Most people don’t, and media outlets know that. The headline is all that “carries”. A better headline would include the Nazi stuff AND Chinese EVs. I think they deliberately avoided that and tucked it in the article.
makki@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Even before the current political situation I wouldn’t have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.
Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it’s hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don’t have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won’t come to you, so if your car won’t start you have to arrange a pickup.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it’s their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.
GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So like Apple but more expensive
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,
but nowadays i don’t care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.
The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.
Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
SpaceX should be nationalized. We paid for it, it’s ours.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I don’t know why you didn’t just fund NASA properly.
fishy@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Agreed. This system of giving out money and getting what we paid for sold back to us is fucking dumb.
Tillman@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Who in the current admin would you like to see run it? Because one of them would if it were nationalized. Who would be your pick?
bluedye@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Better super late than never.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
He’s basically gutting NASA so it can be reduced to a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy for greedy billionaires and giant corps. They’re killing everyone’s dreams and inspiration.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I wonder what continues to motivate the uber rich to seek more wealth-you simply can’t buy any more tangible amount of happiness through material or influence after a point.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Once you have enough money, anything you do makes you money.
Elon blew 44 billion or Twitter, axed the servers, staff, and the name, and he was able to leverage that into a government job where he could kill investigations into his companies years later. You could say it’s intelligence, but I’d say it’s a combination of luck, and the resources to blow 44 billion and not have it affect you personally in any way.
hark@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Laced with fentanyl.
HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Is gonna go up, Elon said they’ll have full autonomous this year! /s
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I own BYD and it is a great car. Very pleased with it.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
how many cameras does it have? be pleased about all your, and your neighbourhoods everydays be uploaded to china, to train face recognition and whatever else
I hate teslas, but byd’s are not even slightly better in my eyes.
jjlinux@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
China can have all the images they want from my car’s. I don’t live in China or anywhere near them. I’m more concerned about US made EVs and their surveillance because I travel there regularly, and they are digging hard on everything for people coming into the US.
jjlinux@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
We have 2 BYD plug-in EVs in our house, absolutely delighted with the brand. Before that I had a Model 3 Tesla, which I could not get rid of fast enough.
Honor where honor is due, Tesla did open the door for mainstreaming EVs, there’s no doubt about it, but it was through marketing based on gimmicks, not through quality products. But the reality is that BYD, Xiaomi, Avatr and a few other Chinese manufacturing cars are way better value and even quality than their Occidental counterparts.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
Heard it can be hard / expensive if you need to order spare parts and stuff like that. Anything to that?
jjlinux@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
That’s halfway true, depending on the part, and where you live. But the warranty they provide (at least in my country) covers everything that you don’t damage yourself, and the warranty is transferable if you sell it still being under warranty.
The only expense I’ve had with mine are new tires and correcting some body scratches caused by other people (and public charging if on long road trips, because I charge at home with solar power).
Pirate@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn’t ran by a dictator.
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 3 weeks ago
I uh… you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat
Pirate@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
If you think Xi Jinping is dictating what BYD does then you don’t understand the fundamentals as to why China managed to attract so much foreign investment in the first place.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Watch the RichRebuilds review of Chinese EVs. There is a lot of “make it look good” in their engineering, like massive painted brake calipers…that are a single piston. The cars probably aren’t as quality as other EVs, but the prices, specs, and niche features are very compelling. I’d definitely consider one in the US. Anything that isn’t a Tesla or a massive crossover would be great.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Good, continue with the downward spiral.
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Hitler was “incendiary” and “political” but I think there’s a four-letter word so much better, so much more concise, that this wording is actual disinformation.
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 3 weeks ago
Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn’t happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions
yarr@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren’t necessarily garbage either – there’s models available for almost any price point.
What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don’t need to worry about offshore models being “better”.
While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we’re effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.
I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it’s just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people…
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Currently only proper options for EV is either Tesla, Korean EV’s (KIA, Hyundai) or Chinese. European and japanese EV’s are imo shit at the moment. Teslas I will avoid like plague, due to Nazis. KIA’s and Hyundai’s are so hard to get, so I am really considering getting BYD, Polestar or XPeng.
arunshah240@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What a downfall Tesla
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I think it also has to do with the economy, not just nazi salutes. Its a bad job market, people dont have money, so luxary cars are not going to be attractive.
Also there is hardly any reason to buy a Tesla… Volvo recharge and others are better cars, made by actual car companies with a reputation they care about.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
and the people rejoice
Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
HAHA
Cocopanda@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Did not zee this happening.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Data published Wednesday by ACEA found that Tesla’s car sales in the European Union, Britain and the European Free Trade Association fell to 13,863 units in May, down 27.9% year on year.
Tesla’s European market share also dropped to 1.2% from 1.8% in May 2024.
European/other than China EV makers also did well, that this and other headlines this year, intentionally obfuscate. The combination of both above numbers means overall EV growth was about 25%. 93% is non US/China.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.
jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Which kind of blows my mind. Coal miners should love EVs. There was a story in the news a few years ago about how nice it was for the miners to help someone in an EV, as if they should be mortal enemies.
Non-EV cars don’t run on coal, they run on gasoline. EVs on the other hand can run on coal, natural gas, solar, wind, you name it - and still are more energy efficient than cars burning gasoline. In a sane world, coal miners would be throwing their support behind electric vehicles. The utility companies seem to understand this, but seems like the support hasn’t made its way up the supply chain.
Litics@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
Of course US trucks run on coal. I see them rolling coal all the time! They cant roll coal if it wasnt coal. Duh…
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Especially when you see some of the tech being rocked in Asian cities
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Again. They already enshrined “billionaires get all the money” in the one legislative victory of trumps first term.
neshura@bookwyr.me 3 weeks ago
They already enshrined "billionaires get all the money" in 2008 when the banks got the bailouts instead of the people
balder1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But… but… those good ol’ days felt so good! We need to relive those days!
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
This isn’t exclusively a problem of the new administration, or the previous. All administrations since the late 20th century have been compliant in allowing the offshoring of most industry
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
It’s not just industry. Now they’re killing the development of skills and knowledge in engineering (hardware, software) and design
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
The problem is systemic, it didn’t start with Trump. He’s just way more flagrant.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think my glasses are smudged
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Apparantly they have also been removing bike lanes in some area’s….