Why is the manosphere on the rise? UN Women sounds the alarm over online misogyny

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https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164531

A growing network of online communities known collectively as the “manosphere” is emerging as a serious threat to gender equality, as toxic digital spaces increasingly influence real-world attitudes, behaviours, and policies, the UN agency dedicated to ending gender discrimination has warned.

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KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because they are being completely alienated. The hater haters are also on the rise. Those have even more troubled minds and it’s the same on and on until the bottom. It’s very easy to reach out to these young males, and fix them. But instead whine. They are straight up looking for role models and only dickheads speak their language. Like… Tell a lost male to “man up” instead of expecting young males to have feelings is kinda dumb. It’s been happening in history over and over. It’s just on the rise to then start to wane to then rise again slightly lower the next time when people forget about caring for young males again. They aren’t easy so I get it but Jesus with the influencer dicks becoming their fathers… It’s so pathetic

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Darohan@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Pretty sure I’ve commented this on Lemmy before, but I’m gonna drop a link to this Struthless video again because I think it’s pretty good at getting the point and really reflected my experience as someone who was once a “young man on the internet”, too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHHqQDKzjTg

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- barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The code section in particular is gold and exactly the type of online content we need. A big reason why chuds like Tate are successful is because they provide a code (“compass, outlets, who you’re with, how it feels”), which before the internet was something everyone built for themselves, actively picking and choosing, while nowadays the algorithms do the picking+choosing for us. Or, well, before the algorithmic internet boomers largely got that stuff from old institutions (be that church or the party), Gen X from rebellion, then come us sweet-spot millennials seeing the boomer/X conflict and having access to previously unheard of amounts of information to actively choose from, and then Gen Y and younger getting fed by the outrage machine.
  
  So what we need is algorithm-compatible content that challenges the whippersnappers to build their own code, in an active manner. Give guidelines, give examples, but don’t decide for them (that makes you no better than the algorithm or for that matter Gen X and boomers) and definitely don’t make it a list of don’ts: They’re in the process of adapting instincts to currentyear, good living requires finding a configuration that denies none, our task is to help them not being maladaptive, steering away from both neurosis (denial of instinct) as well as asocial BS (exploiting in/outgroup instincts for power plays, oxytocin can be vile). To do that you need to point out the various fundamental drives, validate all of them, make that shit resonate as deeply as possible so they spot the drives themselves instead of some social construct painting over it, enable them to draw a map of their needs, then give examples, plural, of how it can all be integrated in a coherent fashion.
  
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Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I haven’t heard men say shit this stupid my whole life. This isn’t ‘tradition’ it’s a growing hate movement.

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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
To paraphrase Jon Lovett, they have “back of the classroom energy” while the left has “front of the classroom energy”.

“Teacher teacher, he said something some people might find offensive! Send him to the principal’s office”

“Thanks for narcing me out, r****d”

“Teacher teacher, he just said the r-word!”

The left just isn’t equipped to deal with the manosphere. Everything the left does just makes the manosphere seem even more cool to the kids.

“The UN is worried about these guys, they must be really badass!”

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- Malek061@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Wat?
  
  The manosphere is literally a bunch of losers that can’t get laid and are making excuses for it.
  
  Work out. Have a career. Don’t be a asshole. Do that and you can get laid but that’s too hard for some folks.
  
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  - KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Fuck you. Losers that can’t be laid. Yes. When they are constantly told to man up and get girls… Where do you think they go? Wtf is wrong with you. You replied to this with exactly the lack of equipment to handle the manosphere they were talking about. Without compassion you are even worse as you ruin your and others chance to fix it. Hateful and completely useless to say these things. You really think the kids think “I’m gonna be an asshole” for no reason? It takes time to be brain washed by the pick up artists. It just speaks to them
    
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  - Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes. Correct. But talk to a boy in Jr. High. They aren’t as smart about this as you might hope.
    
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  - BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s kind of the thing, we want to think they’re a bunch of sexless losers, but the basic tenets of advice you get from the manosphere will probably get you laid. Following manosphere advice works because it’s the exact same advice you just laid out but packaged in a more attractive and focused manner. It just happens to be with a side of right wing politics and more than a bit of misogyny.
    
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  - SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They’re groomed from a young age by the manosphere to be losers that can’t get laid, so they’ll continuously by self-help books from the manosphere.
    
    They still vote though. And this all happens because to a teenager, the manosphere are the cool guys making fun of the whiny nerds.
    
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melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Fuck the gender division, let’s all be misanthropes together.

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- Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  youtu.be/v0dUnoecoZ0
  
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catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why aren’t people asking why are there so many television series where men are written as idiotic fops (like really low level 2yo stupidity) who need a woman to come along and save the day,year,universe?

It’s all just selling to the idea of feminism and those idiots lap it up whilst men have to keep quiet about their lampooning.

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- Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Honestly, as a women, so it’s not my opinion that matters, but even that meme/joke/trend that “men are simple creatures”, “keep your belly fully and balls empty and we’re happy” ect, like, is that not demeaning to men?
  
  The men in my life are just as complicated and multifaceted as anyone else. These kinds of jokes, or online rhetoric, to me, feel like y’all are calling men simple and dumb.
  
  The men in my life are not simple and dumb.
  
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  - barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    “men are simple creatures”, “keep your belly fully and balls empty and we’re happy” ect, like, is that not demeaning to men?
    
    Personally, not inherently, no. And definitely not in context, context here being the existence of “men are primitive” and “men only want one thing and it’s disgusting”. Is it reductive, yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
    
    Catch some fish, chop some wood, smoke the critters, unclog the sink so that stubbles will actually flush instead of cling to the rim, annoying the wife (for incomprehensible reasons, but a well-functioning drain is its own reward), be a rollercoaster for the kids, kick back on the sofa, get your balls emptied, if that’s not a satisfying day then you have issues.
    
    Complexity is not a good in itself. Be only as complex as is necessary to stay simple.
    
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Honestly, as a women, so it’s not my opinion that matters, but even that meme/joke/trend that “men are simple creatures”, “keep your belly fully and balls empty and we’re happy” etc, like, is that not demeaning to men?
    
    Your opinion matters as much and you should be publicly challenging such shows - as a woman. Is it demeaning? If you have to ask, the answer is most likely, ‘yes’! Would it be demeaning with shows where women characters are stupid and only good for sex? Would it be demeaning with black characters who shout all the time, eat chicken and watermelon and so on…the abusive stereotypes could continue. What’s disappointing for me are that the actors/actresses who play the roles are setting equality back many years for a quick short-lived buck.
    
    I do find the upvote / downvote count on my question interesting though!
    
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burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
the manosphere is continuing to build power is capitalism has removed upward growth and community spaces for young white men. I say white because men from minority groups already have those problems but they don’t have the inherent privileges that allow angry white men to make their problems into everyone’s problems. also parents and schools dont have any resources to deal with children who are already sucked into the manosphere, short of cutting off access to the Internet

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- rabber@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Are you saying non white people don’t know how to use the internet, I’m confused
  
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- gcheliotis@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  FYI, the manosphere is replete with non-white males, and that is not even including the inherent male chauvinism in other cultures. I’m sorry but the critique on whiteness is a little lazy intellectually.
  
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tfowinder@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Nothing against the article but why is this in /c/Technology ?

If something has word online/Internet on it does not mean it has something to do with technology.

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- Pro@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So… What exactly is your definition of what should be posted in the technology community?
  
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  - tfowinder@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
    
    I personally browse this community for tech news and updates, this seems more like an American societal problem. Not something happening all around the world. Personally i won’t be interested in reading the article because I live in Asia and the society here is completely different. This kind of misogyny is not seen by me.
    
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ProfThadBach@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You are making an excellent point right up until your last paragraph. What 15 year old boy wants to be Mr Fucking Rogers? Sure, maybe they want to be him in like 40 years (but only the version of him who was secretly a marine sniper covered in tattoos everywhere his sweaters hid). What does a 15 year old boy who is vulnerable to the manosphere want? He wants to get paid and get laid.
  
  Trying to shove a 15 year old’s raging hormones and desire for rebellion and independence into a Mr Rogers box will only lead to… more rebellion. Give the kids role models who are good people, who also succeed at things they care about.
  
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  - Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You do realise that the behaviour you’re describing is largely programmed, yes?
    
    Apart from the urge to blow loads everywhere
    
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  - KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t understand how you think they would not want to be Mr Rodgers? It’s not in their biology. They look for role models and only grifters pretend to know how to get girls. It’s so idiotic. Mr Rodgers gets girls. If they only understood that truth they would flock to imitate him
    
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- TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I can see that parents failed young men and the education system failed young men. But these men aren’t entitled to a woman or a high paying job. And quite frankly they probably aren’t capable of those things or they would be solving their own problems instead of blaming women for them
  
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  - SpaceShort@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Manosphere men fall pray to the XY problem: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem?wprov=sfla1.
    
    They demand the X which is a girlfriend and money in order to solve problem Y which is a lack of social connectedness and decreasing standards of living.
    
    They believe themselves entitled to X because of that. Actually, everyone (including Manosphere men) is entitled to a solution to Y which affects everyone appart from the bourgois (who still lack social connectedness) but the solution to that is Z which is a wholesale restructuring of our society and economy to one that is maximally democratic and socialist.
    
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- sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  You don’t fix this by lecturing young men. You fix it by giving them a sense of purpose and identity that doesn’t rely on putting someone else down.
  
  Sounds like they need the shit slapped out of them.
  
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  - SpaceShort@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Succeed at capitalism? That’s a fool’s errand. Better to point them to the real enemy which is the bourgeoisie and the real solution which is for the working class to form democratic organizations aimed at overthrowing the ruling class and form worker led democratic ways of organizing society.
    
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  - Chinaroos@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If a dam is leaking, smacking it and tell it to be more ‘dam-like’ will only break the dam eventually. For the people drowning, “the dam should have held, because that’s what dams do”
    
    For people who want to improve our world, the goal needs to be defined as reducing gender conflict by increasing mutual gender respect. These words you’ve shared do not invite respect, but conflict. It is a phrase of someone who does not offer support, but demands submission.
    
    Now it’s easy to reply “yes, I am demanding that men to stop killing women, and if that’s “submission”, so be it”. It’s of course a correct position.
    
    But it would not be what you said. And there are a thousand ways to twist that phrase to deepen the conflict, out of context, or even subverting that context. And the conflict then only depends.
    
    Resentment is a knife. It’s a tool of division, not unity. We should not use it to divide people by gender.
    
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- socsa@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The problem with this is that it cedes all conversations about personal responsibility to the bad actors. I have a very similar story to you in terms of being an ideal candidate for manoshpere recruitment but understanding that it is bullshit. So why didn't we fall into the trap? All these men have the same access to information. Many of them are actually quite privileged as well. What other area of society to we see an adult throwing a childlike tantrum and immediately turn to "well obviously society has failed them." Do we say that about "Karens" making a scene? Do we say that about athletes who get DUIs?
  
  Honestly I don't feel like society has failed me at all. I think that's a very fragile cop out for very fragile assholes. To me it evokes the idea that men should be coddled as society reconciles the consequences of centuries of patriarchal injury.
  
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  - graff@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s called emotional intelligence. It helps you not fly off the handle when minor bad things happen. Having the same reaction to a franchise movie being bad as someone totalling your car is not good, yet it’s all too common
    
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- LadyButterfly@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Men are often failed, that’s totally true. They’re also harmed by patriarchy eg being told to “man up” leading to them not seeing a doctor, work on themselves etc.
  
  Ive read up on this and I’m a DA outreach worker so I have experience. A common theme with the Manosphere is blame shifting, and refusing to take action on their issues. Their mindset is wrong, and they don’t help themselves.
  
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  - KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes and also that men are evil. Literally that they feel excluded and scared to participate because of their gender. They don’t dare talk to girls. Because of the other assholes that ruined it. They are told it’s what women like. It’s not true. But these are the ones being caught in the net. Not the asshole, but the timid ones.
    
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  - starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Not false at all but a big part imo is also learned, it’s like if I have 10 problems, 5 of which are totally my fault, and the only one talking about the other 5 says “ALL your problems are not your fault.”
    
    It’s like one person actually fully reflected their experiences back to them, but then peddled a ton of lies along with it.
    
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    leading to them not seeing a doctor,
    
    Interesting you should mention this because other than more suicides, this is the #1 reason why the average lifespan of men is less.
    
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- SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Problems is also that you can’t help people that don’t want to be helped. Since accepting help means for these young men that they have to accept that they themselves are partially to blame for their situation. Yes society has failed them but they have failed themselves as well. They have to own up to their own failures and not just put all the blame on the rest of the world.
  
  I know some young men that haven’t gone full mgtow manosphere yet. And even at that point it’s hard to help them. When you reach out they basically reject it. You can basically see in their eyes that they rather want to stay in the bubble and gaslight themselves than to accept the truth and get help. It’s much easier to blame everyone else than to take responsibility.
  
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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  That’s what a lot of this comes down to. Loneliness. Disconnection. No sense of value or direction. And then someone online tells you it’s not your fault, it’s women’s fault, or society’s fault, or anyone but you. That stuff spreads fast because it gives people something to belong to.
  
  Yep, and this is how marginalised communities are formed. Same with the text below.
  
  That’s what a lot of this comes down to. Loneliness. Disconnection. No sense of value or direction. And then someone online tells you it’s not your fault, it’s ~~women’s~~ men’s fault, or society’s fault, or anyone but you. That stuff spreads fast because it gives people something to belong to.
  
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Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is what happens when you take a gender, destroy their ability to develop emotional regulation and meaningful connections outside of the sexual and then dump them online in a slow rolling apocalypse.

The ones who haven’t found a way out have killed themselves or gravitated to mad idolatry of shysters and fools to fill the dopamine void.

We have failed our men.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  We have failed our men.
  
  These are the type of feminists the world wants.
  
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  - noughtnaut@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I have commented stuff like this before, and gotten it deleted (or gotten summarily banned). I have been searching for spaces where this sort of discourse is even allowed, where non-vagina-havers get to say that many men suck but it’s not only their fault and they certainly can’t fix it in a vacuum.
    
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WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t know. Look at all the Tate Todgers around. Also, it does not help that women basically treat men as super-predators. With resentment and contempt nowadays. Leading to…well, men doing the same.

Really, kiss the decency we used to have goodbye. It’s all gone now. Best everyone focus on protecting themselves, let the population collapse.

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- nichtsowichtig@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  it does not help that women basically treat men as super-predators.
  
  let’s do without these stupid kinds of generalizations, alright? Very few women actually have resentments towards (all) men. And many of them do so as a result of trauma.
  
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So it’s ok to hate men based on certain criteria you define? Even if it’s due to (your) trauma, that still doesn’t make it ok to project hatred towards men.
    
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  - WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Cool that someone is at least against generalizations.
    
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catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Women: it’s all about us, we have our own “online safe spaces” where only women are allowed because in history, men were bad to women, It’s filled with vitriolic chronically-online women where we go around calling men “cunts”. Men should respect this and start up their own community if they want. Men: <they do that> Women: We don’t like it. It’s all about us, men are bad to us. It threatens equality.

Pray, therefore it’s all BS.

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- nichtsowichtig@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  people who face systemic discrimmination often strive to create environments that are safe and respectful for their own group. They don’t do that because they want to be exclusive, but because they don’t have the power to make the spaces they are in respectful and accomodating for them.
  
  So if we have the intention to create inclusive spaces and we have the power to do so, then we shouldn’t go after the ones who segregate themselves to avoid discrimmination, but instead we should change our own environments so that they don’t feel the need anymore to have their own space.
  
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  - gcheliotis@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Very well said. I wish I could articulate this as well as you have here.
    
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    we should change our own environments so that they don’t feel the need anymore to have their own space.
    
    “we” unequivocally means “men”, right? And how is this done… by preventing exclusive communities and only have inclusive communities. “Online” and “safe spaces” are oxymorons.
    
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MetalMachine@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Lots of feminists want to blame every problem on men. That backfired and now a lot of men are doing the same.

Loneliness and being disconnected from the community doesn’t help either.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This right here. But no one wants to do that because it’s easier to create a groups based on existing hatred rather than inclusivity and the people who run such communities do it for the power, not the cause.
  
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- pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Really? Like who? I only ever see or read feminists blaming issues on systemic issues of the patriarchy. Which is not the same as blaming all men at all.
  
  Much the same as saying ‘the healthcare system in the US is fucked’ is not the same as saying ‘all healthcare workers are fucked’.
  
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    But there is no formal ‘system’ like the healthcare system. Anytime a man is perceived as being in charge (for whatever reason and context), it becomes the “patriarchy” and subject to feminist ridicule and hatred, thus generalising hatred on men in general and not foregone rules.
    
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- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  But no one owes us any attention. That is why we have AI.
  
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anaVal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because people are lonely and the internet is telling men it’s the women’s fault.

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- diffusive@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And internet is telling women it’s women’s fault. And poor people it’s immigrants fault. And insecure people it’s trans fault.
  
  We are the most narcissistic generation ever: it’s always someone else fault… and while we are arguing online changes go in the wrong direction (more inequality, more war, less affordable education that means less social mobility)
  
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  - nichtsowichtig@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    And internet is telling women it’s men fault.
    
    well they have a point. it’s not all men who do messed up shit, but if messed up shit happens, it is usually because of men.
    
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admin@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Is there even an incentive for solving men’s problems? Feminism can use men to portray the ultimate evil; influencers can use that portrayal to criticize men, engage in rage bait, and secure brand deals. Capitalism can appease women to promote consumerism wrapped in feminism. Corporations can capitalize on men’s loneliness and low self-worth. I have noticed that men with low self-worth find meaning in work, which ultimately profits corporations. The rich can have as many resources as they want, so why solve it?

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- Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Well said, I will note Women have been the target of beauty ads for over 100 years already. Media will make us feel ugly so we buy thier products. They feed on our insecurities for profit, and it’s been this way for generations of women.
  
  In the last 10-20 years, I have definitely noticed an uptick with capitalization on men’s insecurities. The whole manosphere schtick is about just that, exploiting insecurity.
  
  I can’t reject the idea that with the current P2025 goals, and the billionaires pushing for their techno fudalism, that these things are related in some way.
  
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- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Men are by default worth less really. One man can impregnate many women. If you look at society from a more cynical perspective as just resources, it makes sense that men are inherently far less worth than women.
  
  Value as people? Pfft, forget it. When was that ever practiced?
  
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  - Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I just want to point out, men are not by default worth less.
    
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Women are the big spenders online. Oh, maybe that’s a sexist fact and it’s my fault?
    
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- stepan@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yep
  
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- JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Is there even an incentive for solving men’s problems?
  
  Uh, yes? Obviously. If there wasn’t then “manosphere” content would never be monetized.
  
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  - admin@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Mate, what many of those so-called gururs of “manosphere” do is called monetising on misery of others not solving.
    
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- TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Is there even an incentive for solving men’s problems?
  
  What are men’s problems? What problem do we suffer that also doesn’t affect women?
  
  Feminism can use men to portray the ultimate evil; influencers can use that portrayal to criticize men, engage in rage bait, get attention and secure brand deals.
  
  Isn’t that what you are doing to feminist right now? Isn’t that what the article is talking about with the man-o-sphere?
  
  Capitalism can appease women to promote consumerism wrapped in feminism. Corporations can capitalize on men’s loneliness and low self-worth.
  
  Lol, like we men are immune from corporations promoting masculinity? Old spice, axe body spray, every sports based commercial… What gender do you think the majority of the CEO for these companies are?
  
  have noticed that men with low self-worth find meaning in work, which ultimately profits corporations, the money they will earn will be expanded on consumerisms/additions which again can be profited by capitalism and corporate.
  
  Capitalism isn’t a fucking gender problem…it is the thing making everyone’s lives miserable. If we wanted to examine gender in capitalism we can take a look at which of the genders gains more from the system. What percent of the oligarchs are men, how many billionaires are men, how many senators and judges that keep the system going… it’s mostly dudes.
  
  The rich can have as many resources as they want, so why solve it? Other than individuals (men) taking matters in their own hands and rescuing each other I don’t think there is enough incentive to help men as community or whole
  
  And the rich switch genders or something? Women can’t be part of the struggle against capitalism? What is wrong with you guys, do you not have mothers, sisters, women in your lives who are just friends?
  
  I can’t be the only one here who thinks this is insane, right?
  
  Young white men are being squeezed out of the ownership class for the first time and it’s because it’s the only demographic that hasn’t already been squeezed at this late stage of capitalism. The problem isn’t with women, it is the economic system that dangles a carrot for some, so they’ll wield the stick against others…and we’re all out of carrots. Welcome to the party, everyone else has been getting the stick the whole fucking time.
  
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  - malcriada_lala@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you for making sense!
    
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  - Demdaru@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Eh. Nothin’ to lose.
    
    What are men’s problems? What problem do we suffer that also doesn’t affect women?
    
    Women have strong support movement on their side. It’s not something they gain only through their sex, but rather something they gain I think mostly due to the same gender stereotypes that also act against them.
    
    Same stereotypes which isolate men and make them suffer in silence and alone, making showing any sign of weakness a fatal mistake.
    
    Isn’t that what you are doing to feminist right now? Isn’t that what the article is talking about with the man-o-sphere?
    
    I honestly don’t see your point here - what commenter above you said is right, and sure as hell they didn’t mention that it doesn’t work the other way around.
    
    Lol, like we men are immune from corporations promoting masculinity? Old spice, axe body spray, every sports based commercial… What gender do you think the majority of the CEO for these companies are?
    
    What are men problems, huh? Like, dunno, expectation to always go after that false masculinity. Also, as far as I understand it, what you quoted above this part is just continuation of the point above it, nothing to add here.
    
    Capitalism isn’t a fucking gender problem…it is the thing making everyone’s lives miserable. If we wanted to examine gender in capitalism we can take a look at which of the genders gains more from the system. What percent of the oligarchs are men, how many billionaires are men, how many senators and judges that keep the system going… it’s mostly dudes.
    
    Yeah, but affects genders differently. Men are eaten, ground to a paste and then spat out. Women are bellitled and their work is seen as substandard. One side doesn’t make the other any less, both are problems and commenter above you didn’t say men have it worse, just that they suffer from it.
    
    And the rich switch genders or something? Women can’t be part of the struggle against capitalism? What is wrong with you guys, do you not have mothers, sisters, women in your lives who are just friends?
    
    What commenter above you is alluding to is the point of the whole post - Men do not get help. We do not have the same societal networks that women have to get together and stand up. And even if women decided to fight for us, it’s for naught until we are able to start getting up by ourselves.
    
    Young white men are being squeezed out of the ownership class for the first time and it’s because it’s the only demographic that hasn’t already been squeezed at this late stage of capitalism. The problem isn’t with women, it is the economic system that dangles a carrot for some, so they’ll wield the stick against others…and we’re all out of carrots. Welcome to the party, everyone else has been getting the stick the whole fucking time.
    
    'kay. What’s with that obsession with women? Commenter above you mentioned once that feminism can use men to portray them as evil, which they do because guess who makes them suffer most, and yet due to that you immediately went and threw everything they said as if they did nothing else but accuse women of men’s suffering.
    
    All in all, as far as I understand the comment above you, all boils down to:
    
    Women gain on current situation so it makes sense they don’t act.
    
    Corporations gain on current situation so it makes sense they don’t act.
    
    Rich gain, and even if not then loose nothing on current situation so it makes sense they don’t act.
    
    Which are answers to question at the beggining:
    
    Is there even an incentive for solving men’s problems?
    
    IMO, the incentive is for us to move our asses, take notes from women and build our own support networks. But that is actually fought against by conservatists/right-wingers, because lonely and lost men make cheap and easily influenced canon fodder.
    
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- ReiRose@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You make some good points, but i cant resist the thought experiment:
  
  Is there even an incentive for solving women’s problems? Patriarchy can use women to portray the ultimate evil; influencers can use that portrayal to criticize women, engage in rage bait, get attention and secure brand deals.
  
  Capitalism can appease men to promote consumerism wrapped in misogyny. Corporations can capitalize on women’s loneliness and low self-worth.
  
  I have noticed that women with low self-worth find meaning in work, which ultimately profits corporations, the money they will earn will be expanded on consumerisms/additions which again can be profited by capitalism and corporate.
  
  The rich can have as many resources as they want, so why solve it? Other than individuals (women) taking matters in their own hands and rescuing each other I don’t think there is enough incentive to help women as community or whole
  
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  - admin@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I understand your thoughts experiment, and I assure you that I am not assuming that this thought comes from a place of malice. The second thing is that I would be using an LLM model to fix my grammar, so it might sound like an LLM response, and my word choice might not be as precise as native ones.
    
    I want you to understand that my comment wasn’t in contrast to women but to society. Helping women isn’t coming from goodwill or a soft spot but as a means to an end. What end? Exercising soft power for powerful people¹, brownie points for PR², and more consumers for capitalism.³
    
    Saving women and children is still shown as a positive attribute, not as some general attribute. The thing is, people doing this are well aware of that. Recently, when Trump blocked the USAIDs and some other beneficiaries that helped victim groups, a lot of people who championed feminism and the welfare of the weak straight up on camera started babbling about how the USA will lose its soft power in other countries. You can call me naive, but it baffled me. You don’t have to pretend that there is no soft power, but at least keep people’s welfare as the central piece of your argument or concerns.
    
    Brownie points: Saving women or appearing to work for helping women is used for PR by political figures, corporations, and people who want to be at the center of attention. Though recently, this one isn’t going very well because, due to the internet and the large availability of information, it is very easy to check for credibility. However, there is still enough bias that can be exploited.
    
    How can I explain this one? Think about it: you don’t want half of your customers locked away and banished when you can sell them consumerism as rebellion (the search for cigarettes as feminism).
    
    If you paid attention, all these three situations are beneficial only as long as women are presented as victims or oppressed. Since there is no David without Goliath, we get men as the oppressor or ultimate evil.
    
    Capitalism can appease men to promote consumerism wrapped in misogyny. Corporations can capitalize on women’s loneliness and low self-worth.
    
    Patriarchy can use women to portray the ultimate evil.
    
    No, these both can’t be promoted to the same extreme, as it will lead to people resorting to gender roles while expecting others not to, creating extremely competitive conditions for men, as the patriarchy will push the gender role of men asking out, taking financial responsibility, etc. If we assume misogyny is high too, they will soon check out of the dating scene, leading to a fall in the birth rate, which isn’t too great for capitalism. We have a whole country as an example of why capitalism’s incentives don’t lie with promoting misogyny; can you guess that country? Yes, it is South Korea.
    
    For capitalism to thrive, it needs just enough modulated patriarchy and misogyny where men remain competitive with each other, and even those who give up remain consumers in the form of some consumerism addiction. If misogyny and patriarchy are promoted enough and spiral out of control, people will check out of society.
    
    I have noticed that women with low self-worth find meaning in work, which ultimately profits corporations. The money they earn will be spent on consumerism/addictions, which again can be profited by capitalism and corporations.
    
    I can’t comment on this, as it was anecdotal from my side, and this can be anecdotal from your side.
    
    The rich can have as many resources as they want, so why solve it? Other than individuals (women) taking matters into their own hands and rescuing each other, I don’t think there is enough incentive to help women as a community or as a whole.
    
    You are completely wrong on this one. The divide is very important. If they (the rich and powerful) let go of this illusion of helping women or the underprivileged or making it all appear as meritocracy, it will turn into rich vs. poor, and this has never worked in favor of the rich. To maintain this illusion or facade that they are not the perpetrators of the current worsening of society, they need bogeymen, which, of course, we know who they are, and make them appear as saviors they need victim too, and we are back to square one.
    
    You know what is ironic? This portrayal of bogeymen and its consequences isn’t backfiring on the rich and powerful but is becoming a tool to exchange power between different factions of the same wealthy individuals.
    
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MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Let me guess, the men will have their internet traffic monitored & have curfews ??

Oh & be put on a watchlist for merely talking in a raised voice against women.

Because I kid you not, these are real suggestions

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- TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Lol, by who?
  
  Who would even be able to enforce this… The politicians who are mostly men, the CEO who own silicon valley…mostly men. The police who would enforce the law…oh also men.
  
  You guys are just scared of your own shadows… Some real soft shit going on in this thread.
  
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  - MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Men huh, Finland is a feminist govt that has a male-only draft.
    
    Feminists & women are pandered to by those men. Those men are kinda like you
    
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- zarathustra0@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And these are real words.
  
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Breezy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Bill maher touched on this last night on his show, and i cant believe im seeing more of it.

He argued men are shat on far to often in todays media with female leads taking more lead roles.

He also brought up countless movies starting in the 80s that pushed the dumb dad/male narrative that persists today.

Does he have a point? Yeah idk really.

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- pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Bill Maher is Joe Rogan for people who think they’re too smart for Joe Rogan. He never has an important point to make about anything and is usually completely misinformed. This is a rich white Jewish guy that rarely sees any value in issues raised by any other demographic, yet always complains any time there is even a mild issue facing rich/white/Jewish guys.
  
  Women make up more than 50% of the population, but make up 30% of the leads in Hollywood roles, up from the previous 15% - conspiracy of the woke! Or, maybe… The marketing teams figured out that women would rather watch a movie with a female lead more often. Or maybe… its a load of horseshit.
  
  hollywoodreporter.com/…/women-hollywood-female-le…
  
  Can’t believe I’m reading defence of the manosphere on Lemmy, but here we are.
  
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- Outsider9042@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Get told you’re evil, and the cause of societies problems enough times, you start to believe it.
  
  My ex wife did it to me, always assumed the worst. So I became the worst. It wasn’t even a conscious decision. I just checked out.
  
  Simplistic take, but I see it every day.
  
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01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why are they called unwomen?

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tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Am I tripping, out of touch with reality? These people really don’t seem to understand the problem and that makes me seriously question their methodology.

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Fedditor385@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s quite simple, gender equaliry should stand for equal opportunity for both genders, but it’s not. I only see women being pushed into places with traditionally male majority, but not men being pushed into places with traditional female majority. And worst of all, equal opportunity should not mean we will hire a less competent woman that a more competent men, to fill out some 50/50 quota.

This is exactly the result of abusing gender equality.

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xJc13@quokk.au ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I thought that was dying years ago.

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sem@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

According to the Movember Foundation, a leading men’s health organization and partner of UN Women, two-thirds of young men regularly engage with masculinity influencers online.

While some content offers genuine support, much of it promotes extreme language and sexist ideology, reinforcing the idea that men are victims of feminism and modern social change.

So, 2/3 of young men are risking to become incels, right? Because it is hard to imagine a young girl who is looking for a partner with hyperfocus on his own masculinity as well as a partner, who portraits himself as victim? That is sad…

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